PrecisionH23a

In efforts to stop 100 threads a day about what cams people should run, discuss in here. Lifts, durations, specs, and experiences with brand X would be greatly appreciated.

Before and after results would be terrific.

Trolling in this thread will not be allowed. Trolls will have their ********* chopped off.

94vtecmn

Crower Stage 2 with Type-S pistons:

174whp before
195whp after

SKDRCR

Just figured i'd throw some stock specs to compare with

cam lobe height

F22a1-IN:38.526 EX:38.778

H23a1-IN:33.661 EX:33.725

H22a1-PRIMARY IN:34.041 EX:33.745
MID IN:36.856 EX:36.323
SECONDARY IN:34.971 EX:34.683

98TypeSH

Here are the Jun H22 Cam specs

>>> #1 (Pri) #2 (Mid) #3 (2nd)
>>> Duration Lift Duration Lift Duration Lift VC
INT 62 (248) 9.2 74 (296) 12.2 60 (240) 7.7 0.17
EXH 61 (244) 7.7 74 (296) 11.9 63 (252) 9.0 0.19

VC = Valve Clearance

H23 Power

I had gude cams in my H23 a long time ago, they got caught on the rocker arm bolts and kept throwing the timing belt. Since I bought them used, Gude would not give me any type of support.

SUB-0 H23

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=824994
^^^ Info and pictures on my stage 1 crower cams

Update: i absolutely felt the difference. it pulls 'till it hits redline.

PrecisionH23a

I have ran regrind Gude turbo cams for a while with no problems on my H23a, however I do not have any before and after results. They have been used in the past on my 450whp application with no problems. The customer service I received was the shitty part of the whole transaction.

25-22 intake cam with a mild exhaust cam. What that means? Call up bill gude and find out for yourself. I spoke to him one day reguarding the lift and duration of the cams for my new pistons and he was very reluctant and got irritated with me when I asked him for the specs. I do not remember what he told me, but I can guarantee he made them up.

I will soon be running Crower turbo cams. I will post information in the near future reguarding them.

TurboSam

i dont really know what was before specs, but when i had the crower turbo cams, my car produced 194 whp at 4400 rpms (well before VTEC) just as the boost level reached ~8psi,and was climbing DAMN FAST until the couplings kept popping off

fastludeh22

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I will soon be running Crower turbo cams. I will post information in the near future reguarding them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo Sam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont really know what was before specs, but when i had the crower turbo cams, my car produced 194 whp at 4400 rpms (well before VTEC) just as the boost level reached ~8psi,and was climbing DAMN FAST until the couplings kept popping off</TD></TR></TABLE>

i used those same cams. i dont a before and after dyno neither. but i do have a feeling.

crower cams vs 1 crower intake and 1 stock exhaust (stupid story).

it reved way quicker and pulled harder and deeper in the band with both.

i am very happy w/crower. they felt real good, and they are replacing a cam for cheap that i bought used and broke.


Modified by fastludeh22 at 10:58 AM 7/30/2004

hOndafienD 04

so what are you saying???? just use the intake crower cam and throw the exhaust one out???

fastludeh22

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hOndafienD 04 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what are you saying???? just use the intake crower cam and throw the exhaust one out???</TD></TR></TABLE>

nah i worded wrong, its fixd now.

1 crower cam worked better then both stock, but both crowers is where its at

Arch-Angel

how would the crower turbo cams be on a NA h23a?
Reason I ask is cause I am building up the engine for turbo, but it'll be a couple of months before i am running any boost.
would it be heaps slower than stock?

fastludeh22

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Arch-Angel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how would the crower turbo cams be on a NA h23a?
Reason I ask is cause I am building up the engine for turbo, but it'll be a couple of months before i am running any boost.
would it be heaps slower than stock?
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yes, if it could even be done. i dont think you can put h22 cams in h23.

i know cause i drove ~ 300 miles in h22 na w/those cams. i didnt get it tuned, but i thoght the t-belt was off 1 tooth it was so slugish.

KTeller8

have some custom cams done for me, and they are with jdogg now. they will be dyno'ing them and running vs type s and stock cams.

should be good to see,

were 284 with 240 duration at 0.050 and 11.2mm lift


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** more pictures **


Modified by KTeller8 at 2:59 PM 8/5/2004


Modified by KTeller8 at 3:03 PM 8/5/2004

surfer

skunk2 stage II or Crower Stage II??? i'll go with Skunk 2 Stage II with valvetrain and type S Pistons 11:1

surfer

skunk2 stage II or Crower Stage II??? i'll go with Skunk 2 Stage II with valvetrain and type S Pistons 11:1 type s cams are good"if you like everything OEM and type S"but Skunk2 and Crower will work more powerful

KTeller8

darockjc

i have the h22 in a 94 accord and i have supertech valves, springs and retainers. I am wanting to get the crower stage 3 cam. I was wondering if this is a good set up or if someone recommends something else and also what kind of #'s i might be able to expect from this cam. Also am i fine using my stock intake manifold.

raylude

how good would turbo cams from crower or skunk2 do with a jr supercharger

LudeyKrus

Does anyone have the specs for the Skunk2 StgI and StgII cams handy? I've been having trouble finding them.

EDIT - I'm a moron that couldn't find a simple website....

SKUNK2 CAM SPECS FOR H22:

Stage I IN. 0.475, 255, EX. 0.436, 255
Stage II IN. 0.505, 270, EX. 0.465, 275

As compared to the Crower cams for the H22:

Stage 1 - Street Use (12-15 hp)/Turbo Race. Factory spring OK for street with stock rev limit. Int-282 mid Exh-279 mid Int-239 mid Exh-230 mid Int-.457 mid Exh-.426 mid

Stage 2 - Turbo special design. Short duration = low overlap, high lift for increased performance. Spring/Retainer Kit #68184 required. Int-280 mid Exh-276 mid Int-230 mid Exh-226 mid Int-.465 mid Exh-.445 mid

Stage 2 VTEC lobe with stock idle lobes for improved street performance. Recommend spring/retainer kit, but only above stock rev limit. Int-297 mid Exh-287 mid Int-248 mid Exh-240 mid Int-.466 mid Exh-.465 mid

Stage 3 - All-motor Drag profile (22+ hp w/other mods). Most aggressive ramp speeds on the market. Int-295 mid Exh-297 mid Int-260 mid Exh-250 mid Int-.472 mid Exh-.466 mid




Modified by LudeyKrus at 8:20 PM 8/6/2004

GOTNOS

if u upgrade to skunk2 stage 2 cams do u nee dto upgrade valve train?

Don Jefe

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by From Skunk2's website &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stage II: Stage II profiles are more aggressive than Stage I profiles, and are designed for modified engines operating at higher rev ranges. Upgrading to Skunk2 Racing valvetrain components is required for proper operation. Stock idle and emission characteristics may be slightly compromised, but fair-to-good driveability allows them to still be used on dual-purpose vehicles. Proper tuning, an upgraded intake system, and an exhaust system are required in order to maximize the potential of these camshafts. Do not use oversized valves.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cliffnotes: YES, you need to upgrade your valvetrain

fastludeh22

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raylude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how good would turbo cams from crower or skunk2 do with a jr supercharger </TD></TR></TABLE>

i have no proof, but i would think they would work good. they are both fi.

Matgallis

What is different about turbo cams compared to na cams? To be more specific, performance wise. Turbo car with na cams? Na car with turbo cams...?

fastludeh22

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Matgallis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is different about turbo cams compared to na cams? To be more specific, performance wise. Turbo car with na cams? Na car with turbo cams...?</TD></TR></TABLE>

the duration is the big difference. apperently if the duration on na cams are soo big, that the boost blows right out the exhaust.

the other way around, i dont know the sciencetific reason, except na like duration, but from personal experince turbo cams on a na engine sucks!