PM-Performance

OK im still kinda confused on catchcans.
Im looking for more of how they hook up if your not using an intake for your turbo. and not tapping into the turbo ?
I was told you can eliminate the black box in the back of the block and evap can with this to bleed off excessive crankcase pressures, for lack of better teminology. Does this eliminate the PCV system too ?
does anyone have a real good digram or picture of how there is routed and maybe some more info on how this all comes together?
I was looking at Either the Greddy or the Bodykits NW one .Im just really confused.

baddassduramax

bump that cuz im wondering too

Arturbo

This can be hard to describe with out a pic. But look at this pic below and notice where the black box used to be? I used a freeze plug and honda bond to cover it up. You then see the barded fitting just under the water pipe? Well that is going to the 2 fitting on the catch can. On the bottom of the catch can there is a drain where I tee'd off one of the lines going into the catch can so it can drain back in.

PM-Performance

did you use both of those barb fittings then?

BROOD

I have the same set-up, I used both barbed fittings off the back of the block. Very similar to Art's pictures.
Those are parts from the ENDYN breather system. Works great so far.
I'm also adding another tank to the valve cover this winter, can have enough breather surface area.

PM-Performance

so does the tank per say go inline with those barb fittings?

JICEK9

I'm just confused... I would've never bought this damn thing if I would've know it would test my car knowlege just to install it lol

HXMan

Anyone consider using a vaccum pump with their catchcan setup???

http://www.hardtail.com/techtips/vacuum-pumps.html

DaveF

ARturbo, what size is that plug u put in the block where the black box used to go???? also where did ya get it from ? local autoparts store?? is it epoxy'd in or jb welded??

im in the middle of hooking up my wet sump/vacum pump setup. and i need to plug that

thanks

BodyKits NW

That freeze plug is just held in by Hondabond. That is all you really need 2.2L civic.

Setting up a catchcan on a turbo setup is very simple. Just pm me and I will draw up a diagram later tonight. I need to make one anyways for the catchcan we sell. I'd be glad to help you even if you got a catchcan already. It's simple, people just making it way too complicated than it really is.

PM-Performance

yea something soo simple seems soo hard for some reason , lol .
does yours come with the ports for the back of the block ?

JICEK9

I'm confused. someone that has installed on should take specic pics and post them. or links would be nice also. I'll try searching too

BodyKits NW

Okay, well basically there are 2 catchcans I personally feel that will provide you with enough crankcase ventilation. There is the catchcan we offer, as well as my FAVORITE THE ENDYN catchcan. It all depends on your budget and what you can afford. There are probably other good catchcan out there no doubt, but this will just give you a idea on your installation options.

Forget about the PCV valve just for a second and bla bla that it needs vacumm crap. If you actually sat and looked at a catchcan working then you would know that vacumm is not needed at all. So here goes!!

You got your GREDDY CATCH CAN-OLD STYLE. This one I really dislike due to the fact that it only has 2 nipples and no real way top run it open atmosphere. With this style you really need 2 catchcans for the best setup.

Recommended Setup: Basically the only effective way to route this catchcan is to have it go back into the intake stream and hook up 1 of the nipples to the charge pipe. You really can't run this open to atmosphere due to the fact it does not have enough nipples on it and ventilation. So I recommend running both the PCV line and the Valve cover to 1 nipple. So they must share 1 line, not only will the valve cover be able to release crank case pressure, but the line coming from the PCV Canister. Use the other nipple on the catchcan and connect that to the charge pipe/intake stream. The line going to the charge pipe will give the vapors/crankcase pressure a place to exit. I suggest also baffling the greddy catch and help it even further with oil seperation. Less change you get crud in your intake stream and help prevent detonation. This will no way get rid of 100 percent of the crud going into your intake stream, but this will help tremedously.

Here is a quick diagram-You can run this open loop if you do not connect the hose to the charge pipe and just leave it hangin. Have it go to the ground.


Endyn Catchcan setup. This is by far one of the best canisters out there. It is a modified Moroso catchcan. This not only lets you run a closed loop setup, but a very good open loop setup. The catchcan also provides the block even more crankcase ventilation and has a cool drainback system. Also this also completely gets rid of the stock PCV Canister as you can see.

Recommended Setup: Like in the picture above that ARTURBO provided this catchcan setup gives you nipples to thread into the back of the block. These are old casting holes and when those plugs are removed crankcase/oil vapors can exit the block more effectively. Not only do you have 2 exits for ventilation now, but you also have a much larger hose to let the crankcase/oil vapors out. The best way to route this catchcan is open loop. This setup provided you with a filter on top of the catchcan to let the vapors EXIT unlike the Greddy.

Now let me try to explain the install. The catchcan has 3 nipples. 2 on the side of the catchcan and 1 on the bottom of the catchcan. The 2 nipples on the side of the catchcan are connected to the 2 nipples on the back of the block. The nipple on the bottom of the catchcan is connected to the 1 of those hoses with a T and acts as a drain back system. The only problem is that most people can't mount the catchcan high enough for this feature to work. It is hard to find a location in most bays that will put the catchcan high enough for this to work, especially with the large filter on the top.

Another option: You can also T the valve cover to 1 of the hoses that connect to the side of the catchcan. OR you can get another catchcan just for the valve cover. That is a little extreme and not needed, but hey whatever you want. It's your money But I do suggest plumbin the valve cover to 1 of those hoses coming from the back of the block. Also If you can't mount the catchcan high enough for the drain back feaature to work, then go to your local AUTO PARTS store and replace the bottom nipple with a radiator drain ****. Then all you gotta do is drain the catchcan every few weeks. Some may have lots of build up, and some may not. It all depends on how much blowby and crankcase pressure you may have.

Now would you really want all that crap in your intake stream? I have a brand new motor and I put this setup on it. There is no crap in my intake manifold. It almost looks like new. There is not a lot of buildup like my old b16 manifold with the stock PCV system. This will help!

Also a lot of people may not know this, but a open loop catchcan setup can also help you out during a headgasket blow. WHY you ask? Well when the radiator fluid mixes with the oil, the radiator fluid seperates itself from the oil and shoots out of the valve cover nipple as well as the other crankcase ventialation holes. Your catchcan will catch this build up rather than it being sucked back into your intake stream. I rather have it gather in the catchcan and overflow the catchcan rather than going into my motor. Also it helps even after you change the oil because 1 oil change doesn't usually get rid of 100 percent of the gunk, and trust me, it will work its way out, even WITHOUT VACUUM!

You can run a closed loop setup with the Endyn. It provides you with a new PCV valve. I recommend that for all motor use though, and this for turbo use. It's up to you. I am really tired of typing, hope this helps someone.

The catchcan we sell hooks up just like the Endyn catchcan, but it utilizes the stock PCV canister. Ours is cheaper, but it all depends on what you want.

ELSpool

Good write up, the pic in the top is a B-series, are those old plugs in the same spot on the other series honda engines?

TRUST8383

The greddy can has 3-1/8" (looking, not sure about the size) npt plugs on the side to use for the level indicator. You actually only use two of them to connect the little viewing tube to, So, is there a fitting that is like a 1/8" npt to Barb fitting and hook a breather filter onto it? Then hook up the other nipples to the pcv canister and valve cover nipple?

awesome write up by the way..

BodyKits NW

I believe there are motors that do not have those plugs, but they do have other vent holes that lead into the crankcase which will relieve crankcase pressure like those plugs. Since I have limited experience with other blocks and if you do not wanna go searching for another hole, then just use your stock PCV canister. Route the PCV canister into the catchcan with either the catchcan style I offer or the Greddy style.

As for the Greedy, I would just leave that for the drain. If it is located at the bottom the catchcan then the breather will just get clogged and gunked up. It really all depends on how you mount it, because if that thing fills up for any reason and that plug filter you put on is not high enough it will just clog the filter like I said.

5thgencivic

Are all catch cans one open space inside? If so, I think I'm going to tap the top of this catch and put a nipple on it for a breather

BodyKits NW

No, some catchcans come already baffled such as the Endyn. You can baffle your catchcan, I recommend using those damn puffy things girls use. The puffy things used in the shower. Alright laugh! but it works good or some nylon based weave. DO NOT USE STEEL WOOL.

1fstcorrado

you guys runing your breather right out to the block. how much blow by do you guys get.....do you fill the canister in one pass.....how much oil does a honda push out of the crank case or head?

BodyKits NW

It all depends on the setup man. Sometimes it's less of a teaspoon of oil, sometimes its more or less. The breather is being run right off the catchcan. Running a breather on the valve cover on a turbo honda is useless. It will get clogged and saturated with oil in no time.

V-SPEC 1

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im in the middle of hooking up my wet sump/vacum pump setup. and i need to plug that

thanks </TD></TR></TABLE>

You can buy those plugs from Endyn

V-SPEC 1

Another option: You can also T the valve cover to 1 of the hoses that connect to the side of the catchcan
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Or you can tee the 2 hoses coming from the back of the block in to 1 hose towards on 1 of the nipple of the catch can, and use the other nipple from the catch can to your valve cover. This is how I did my friend's car. I have the greddy ones and I'm going to do the same setup as my friend's endyn setup which I iether use the existing 1/8 npt hole and put a barb fitting on it and put a filter on it or I'm going to inlarge that hole to like 1/4 npt so it'll be big enough hole for vintalation(spelling&lt.

VIC

DaveF

i dont need to send my money to endyne for a damn freeeze plug.

baphomet

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I want to piece this together - I need to see if my b16 has those same holes, but assuming it does - I need to find a place to get the barbed fittings and the freeze plug. Any ideas, I will go to all the obvious places such as home depot, local auto parts store etc. It would help if I knew the thread size.

As for the can, just about anything will do, like a peanut butter jar, coffee can, or whatever (slightly modified). The lines are dirt cheap at the hardware stores. I don't see myself paying $154.00 for something like this.

V-SPEC 1

I don't think you can find those fittings anywhere except endyn. I just purchased 2 of those fittings and it's not cheap. $15 a piece.