Tinker219

Most have heard of my lil project. For those that havent, RWD h22 in a del sol.

The thing that I CANT decide is whether or not I should toss another one in the front.
Ive got most of the boost-related items(EMS for the front, SpeedPro for the rear, turbos, BOVs, WGs, ICs), but I need another swap +building the bottom ends.
I plan on tubing the whole car, so weight will be around stock, but with an EASY 800 combined whp.
Its not really AWD, because the drivetrain is NOT connected. Basically on a hard launch, the front engine will be bouncing off the revlimiter, and the rear will be doing all the brunt-work. BUT, once traction is aquired, look the **** out!
Daily driveability would be very easy to maintain with both engines(30 gallon fuel cell behind the driver/pass seat), and that used to be the primary concern. But, with careful measurements, just a REAR engine will push the alternator right into the middle of my back(H22, alt. on the front of the engine), and Id really like to try and keep the Sol's rear window functional. With an engine in the front, the alternator can stay up there
So, what do you all think? The only concern here is $ and time. The front engine will basically bolt-in in a matter of hours, but the hard thing is saving $ for all the parts.
Opinions?
Heres the car thatll be used....



Money shot
Please excuse the bumper/steering wheel. The steering wheel is actually pretty grimy, and not really red on the drivers-side of it Bumper will be stock w/lip once I get further into this project, OR once I find a stock one for less than $200


Modified by Tinker219 at 12:37 PM 11/7/2003

igotyofire

finally a economy car that can benefit from a true dual exhaust system

Tinker219

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by igotyofire &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">finally a economy car that can benefit from a true dual exhaust system </TD></TR></TABLE>
lol...the rear engine should be a 4" Id pipe maybe 6" long

Overblown-Teg

I say do the rear system first.. then look into the front.. One thing that might help/ be cool is to do a auto in the front.. that way you can run on one engine and just have that one in neutral.. Plus the differnt gear ratios would make it pull constant instead of pausing for shifts.. Just something to think about.

chidoks

RWD is the way to go.... Two engines...twice the complication... RWD+Big tires+ Lots of boost= . U'd save money by just doing one engine and u can spend the money on getting racelogic traction control... is jen sticking with awd or rwd?

done

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how did they do the tiburion?? how would twin engines work??

Tinker219

I dont need no stinkin traction control, its called the gas pedal
As for the one engine running for trips, etc, quick-release shift cables will be utilized, effectively disconnecting the rear engine completely(if I want to save gas). Seperate power switches will be used for front and rear, as well as start-buttons.
Rear would be fun and all, but I KNOW myself. I will kick myself for not doing two right off, AND I will have gutted the valuable rear window to accomodate the bulky alternator.
I thought about relocating that, but I cant fathom a decent place for it....

Alstare

I'd say do just the rear, less headaches plus you could always do the front after....

I got a 94 jdm h22 block and a ton of H-series parts I'd donate to the cause if ya want. I'd just like to see it done.

Canuk_SiR

why not just relocate the alternator. All you'd need to do is move it to the back of the engine, make some new brackets, and find a belt that fits. Or just mount the engine at a greater angle backwards, like pivot it around the diff/axles, to clear some room in the front of the engine.

DigitalFusion

i would just do rear at first.. then maybe down the road do the front if u want.. I mean it sucks when a project gets so drawn out and takes up so much time.. u get frustrated really qwik. My vote goes to RWD first, and get her on the road, get some play time in.. then if u still desire, go for the fwd too

Tinker219

There isnt really anything for a bracket to bolt onto on an H block, in the back anyway. I could make something thatll bolt to the car, and use solid engine mounts, but I want SOME sort of smooth ride in this thing.
As for getting it on the road first, I have till April now, the roads just got salted last night w/around 3" of snow that has since melted. I like a rust-free car, and April is about the time of year to start driving again. I have PLENTY of time
Jens car is going rwd only, unless she wants to spend another $10k on the engine buildup...

chidoks

awd would be fun.. but rwd would be a lot easier... if u have the time and resources, i'd say go awd... if u are trying to build it at a reasonable price...rwd... why are u using 2 different ems's?? working with what u got?

BodyKits NW

Hey nice hood, I wonder where u got that hood from LOL. Stop working on the del sol and make those damn manifolds!! I'm waiting LMAO

Tinker219

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Thankx, ya, if anyone needs a hood, look to BODYKITS NW! Absolutely amazing quality for the $. Now If I could get him to make me a 1pc front end, Id be set
Oh ya, because Im using ghetto-*** saws, my collectors take FOREVER to cut, so I took some pics while they were cutting

Overblown-Teg

why not get a high amp altenator and just run one off the front engine. That should be all you need.. Get one good battery and be done. As long as you don't crank both engines at the same time you should be fine.. Heck if you get a good enough battery you might still be fine.

Tinker219

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chidoks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">awd would be fun.. but rwd would be a lot easier... if u have the time and resources, i'd say go awd... if u are trying to build it at a reasonable price...rwd... why are u using 2 different ems's?? working with what u got?</TD></TR></TABLE>

ya, and the speedpro only uses + and - in the way of wiring fromt he car. the EMS plugs into the factory harness, so really my only wiring work will be a few relays that need power and grounds. This is ANOTHER reason why Im opting for a twin-engine setup. It wont be too big of a deal to extend the wires rear-ward, but if I do that with one engine, and then decide to do two later on, itll be ALOT harder to run the wires back to the front of the car to re-attach to the alternator(you couldnt leave the alternator back there, because itd go half-way through the fuel cell that would have to reside behind the driver/pass. seats).
Ill get a beefy *** battery, and a stock alternator will work I think. I wont ahve anything besides a deck w/stock speakers and headlights to drain from the battery, so the stock alternator should be just fine.

Overblown-Teg

sounds like it will work out good.. Really any engine up front with work.. throw a stock d series up there.. just to make it run.. Its still adding power..

Boltz

and the award for the maddest bastard goes to..... ::insert drumroll here:: cody!

Tinker219

ya, but the problem with that, is Id have to tie in two different shifters, because the D uses Rods. I have the shifter made already to accept two sets of cables, and so no matter what, the engines will shift in-sync( )
The clutch will use a y-fitting, so that both clutches engage/dissengage at the same time, and the throttle will use a y fitting from a Mtn. Bike braking system, paired with about 15 ft of cable. I *think* itll work just beautifully

Overblown-Teg

hmm.. So what your saying is your screwed till you come up with another swap..

Tinker219

right. Im still a ways off from actually starting the conversion, but yes, for driving it, I will be dicked. Ill probably just leave this engine in the front for now, and use my mock block/tranny for placing the engine int he trunk(I also have another set of mounts to accomodate the front suspension setup, in the rear). "Alstare" is donating his spare block to me for sleeving, so I can still move my car around the shop(even if the rear end is sitting on rollers...lol)

Tinker219

I wonder if Honda-Tech.com will sponsor me in the buildup!? So far ya'll are doin awesome

booscivic

2 engines del sol I want see that!!!! plus turbo both?

lazerus

i would just move the motor to the rear, ala porshe :-) leave the front empty.

UltimateTSI

Has this been done before to a del sol or to even a Honda?
Sounds awesome though.