b19coupe

A little info on the setup. 01 ITR, completely stock bottom end, head never off. Skunk2 Stage 2 cams and valve train. JDM 4-1 header, no cat, stock ITR catback.
AEM CAI and RC 310cc injectors. Hondata. On August 13th, Shawn Church tuned the car-set cam gears, ignition timing, and dialed in the A/F ratio with Hondata. Peak numbers were 197/131 (DynaPack dyno). Chart here:

Kinda hard to read, I know.
Well bolted up the AEBS intake a couple of weeks ago, with no other changes. The first run today was almost a carbon copy on the hp side. Torque was up to 134 ft-lbs., but Shawn says that was more due the correction factor, than any improvement. It was much cooler today than when the car was dynoed in August.
The A/F was measurably leaner with the AEBS intake, so it is flowing better than the ITR IM. After tuning the A/F ratio to an average of about 13.9:1, the peak hp was up to 200.4 and peak torque was 135.6 ft-lbs. The gains are from 1-3 hp throughout the graph. I don't have a scanner, so I can't post the graphs, but later this week Shawn is going to put all of the data on a floppy, so maybe I could post it up then.

The bottom line? For $150-180, it's not a bad bolt-on. It does make some power. Would I recommend it? Only if you had maxxed out all of your other bolt-on options and could not find any more power. There is more power to be found with a good header and exhaust, cams and valve train, etc. On a car that was running too rich (say a car with a Mugen chip), the gains would be bigger, due to the fact that the A/F ratio would get better bolting this IM on in place of the ITR one. It just depends on what you are looking for.


Modified by b19coupe at 4:31 PM 9/26/2003

RTW DC2R

Good stuff, thanks for takin the time to test and share the info

vtecvoodoo

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Obie

hey you could sell your ITR manifold and buy a aebs one and have about 50-75 bones in your pocket. Nice info ...thanks

Doctor CorteZ

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976

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Yeah, like to us B16A people. I'll give you a B-series STR fuel rail and $40 for your stock I/M..

AzG35

Great, good to hear that other people are having success with the manifold as well.

Austin

Thanks for the information Todd, glad that Judah's car is working out for you

I'll be doing a more controlled test as soon as the manifold arrives. I'll be doing everything on the same day, do a couple of dyno runs before and after the installation of the manifold, and retune the car with the AEBS manifold installed. I'll also be datalogging the runs so that people can see that the temps really were similar, and more info than they really want, etc...also give the dyno plots with the A/F ratios. Bob-DC2 will most likely be there, as well as RBoosted717, Downey, and maybe Chris. Looking to do this the middle of next week.

Austin

2k1_ITR_0736

i made 21whp over ITR IM on my setup.

But like you said i pretty much maxxed out my other mods. the only thing i can think of after wha ti got is a stroker crank and stage 3 cams.

JDubya

Do you think an LS would gain much from this intake manifold over the stock LS one? how about when it's boosted?

b19coupe

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But like you said i pretty much maxxed out my other mods. the only thing i can think of after wha ti got is a stroker crank and stage 3 cams.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would really like to see the graphs on that one!


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Austin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll be doing a more controlled test as soon as the manifold arrives. I'll be doing everything on the same day, do a couple of dyno runs before and after the installation of the manifold, and retune the car with the AEBS manifold installed. I'll also be datalogging the runs so that people can see that the temps really were similar, and more info than they really want, etc...also give the dyno plots with the A/F ratios. Bob-DC2 will most likely be there, as well as RBoosted717, Downey, and maybe Chris. Looking to do this the middle of next week.

Austin</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds like a plan. Church Automotive is not really set up for doing much mechanical work, but he is a hell of a tuner. Look forward to seeing your results.

SurferX

Thanks for helping us get closer to the truth on this, much appreciated.

So this AEBS manifold went from:

20whp : AEBS "advertised" dyno (which mentioned no other changes)

12-15whp: AEBS employee who was posting on here acting like he wasn't an employee

3-5whp: Someone else, sorry forget who it was

1-3whp: b19coupe's car tested at Church Automotive

Wow what a ride that was haha.

Thanks again for doing this, now I know it's not worth it (for me) to get this mod and have to mess with my EVAP stuff to get it to work. That's what H-T should be about, not jocking some shiney new part for no reason. And this one wasn't even JDM my god who'd have thought?!

Shame on AEBS and their employees for trying to come on to a tech board and use it for their own promotional purposes by giving misleading info to hype up their product. You'd be banned on my board for sure.

RTW DC2R

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But like you said i pretty much maxxed out my other mods. the only thing i can think of after wha ti got is a stroker crank and stage 3 cams.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, Id like to see some dyno charts or something. thats like 40hp at the crank just from an intake manifold??

Eluder200K

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20whp : AEBS "advertised" dyno (which mentioned no other changes)

12-15whp: AEBS employee who was posting on here acting like he wasn't an employee

3-5whp: Someone else, sorry forget who it was

1-3whp: b19coupe's car tested at Church Automotive

Shame on AEBS and their employees for trying to come on to a tech board and use it for their own promotional purposes by giving misleading info to hype up their product. You'd be banned on my board for sure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

amen to that

ALLMOTOR18

What TB did you use?

How big is the openning of the manifold?

TIA

2k1_ITR_0736

21whp is about 26crank
ill post them tonight (dyno graphs)

Spirit Iron knife

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SurferX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for helping us get closer to the truth on this, much appreciated.

So this AEBS manifold went from:

20whp : AEBS "advertised" dyno (which mentioned no other changes)

12-15whp: AEBS employee who was posting on here acting like he wasn't an employee

3-5whp: Someone else, sorry forget who it was

1-3whp: b19coupe's car tested at Church Automotive

Wow what a ride that was haha.

Thanks again for doing this, now I know it's not worth it (for me) to get this mod and have to mess with my EVAP stuff to get it to work. That's what H-T should be about, not jocking some shiney new part for no reason. And this one wasn't even JDM my god who'd have thought?!

Shame on AEBS and their employees for trying to come on to a tech board and use it for their own promotional purposes by giving misleading info to hype up their product. You'd be banned on my board for sure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So you consider: QUOTE: Skunk2 Stage 2 cams and valve train. JDM 4-1 header, no cat, stock ITR catback.
AEM CAI and RC 310cc injectors. Hondata.

..... a stock ITR motor? Interesting. Reading the advertisement that Professional Products has, it said 20hp on a stock motor, not a modified one.

Ryan126

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So this AEBS manifold went from:

12-15whp: AEBS employee who was posting on here acting like he wasn't an employee

Shame on AEBS and their employees for trying to come on to a tech board and use it for their own promotional purposes by giving misleading info to hype up their product. You'd be banned on my board for sure.</TD></TR></TABLE>
First off.. Dont start making assumptions about who I work for. I am in no way associated with AEBS. Just because I offered to host a 'groupbuy' everyone automatically assumes that my sole intention was to make a profit. If I remember correctly, it was the members of HT that wanted to see the results of the DYNO. I was the first one to take initiative to get it installed and tested. I spent my OWN money and TIME to get everything done which is cool because in the end, everything worked out for the car. All I see on this board are people who are too lazy to find out their own information and relying on others to do the work for them and reap the benefits from it.

Anyway, if you have qualms with whatever I have posted in the past then take it out on me and NOT AEBS. They are no way associated with ME. Dont let my reputation tarnish their good name.

b19coupe

I don't know what kind of gains the AEBS IM would make on a stock ITR, but doubt seriously that it would be in the neighborhood of 20 whp. Every engine will respond differently to modification ; that is one reason I posted the mods on this engine. So people could have all of the facts and decide for themselves whether this IM would be worth it for them. I will probably leave the AEBS IM on my car, because a gain is a gain, no matter how small. Who knows, maybe when I get my SMSP header on the car, the AEBS will enhance the gains made by the header

Type-Rare#1248

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SurferX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for helping us get closer to the truth on this, much appreciated.

So this AEBS manifold went from:

20whp : AEBS "advertised" dyno (which mentioned no other changes)

12-15whp: AEBS employee who was posting on here acting like he wasn't an employee

3-5whp: Someone else, sorry forget who it was

1-3whp: b19coupe's car tested at Church Automotive

Wow what a ride that was haha.

Thanks again for doing this, now I know it's not worth it (for me) to get this mod and have to mess with my EVAP stuff to get it to work. That's what H-T should be about, not jocking some shiney new part for no reason. And this one wasn't even JDM my god who'd have thought?!

Shame on AEBS and their employees for trying to come on to a tech board and use it for their own promotional purposes by giving misleading info to hype up their product. You'd be banned on my board for sure.</TD></TR></TABLE>



you stated this perfectly

AEBS is BS...it made outrageous claims just to grab our attention and then now ppl say that it is still a decent buy

I hate the way they try to promote their product and will NOT buy from them even if the AEBS is cheaper than an ITR manifold

Thx for the review btw

Type-Rare#1248

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So you consider: QUOTE: Skunk2 Stage 2 cams and valve train. JDM 4-1 header, no cat, stock ITR catback.
AEM CAI and RC 310cc injectors. Hondata.

..... a stock ITR motor? Interesting. Reading the advertisement that Professional Products has, it said 20hp on a stock motor, not a modified one. </TD></TR></TABLE>

hmmm...if that manifold doesn't make 20 hp on a modified motor, IT WILL NOT MAKE 20 hp on a stock motor...GUARANTEED!!!

try to know your facts better before you flame

96dc2

Do you have a larger sized graph?

Spirit Iron knife

QUOTE=Type-Rare#1248]



you stated this perfectly

AEBS is BS...it made outrageous claims just to grab our attention and then now ppl say that it is still a decent buy

I hate the way they try to promote their product and will NOT buy from them even if the AEBS is cheaper than an ITR manifold

Thx for the review btw[/QUOTE]

AEBS is BS? When did they come on Honda-Tech and start claiming that 20 horses came with every intake manifold purchased? When you get that letter in the mail from Ed Mcmahon, stating that you won a million dollars, do you start celebrating? Or better yet, when that DC header that made 12hp on their "test motor" only makes 3 or 4 on a customers motor, is DC BS'ing as well? Point being, no 2 motors are alike, and after all this arguing, a stock motor was never tested. Before you start bad-mouthing AEBS (a huge player and winner, in Import drag competition), you should have a few more facts than what you read in a couple of threads (where power was in fact made with the product). They did not try to "promote the product." One of them developed and tested the product, provided the results to Professional Products, they did everything from there. AEBS is not a typical retail shop, they build motors/race cars/race parts. They sleeved a few motors for us, and I know they're a quality shop/team not out to make a million dollars on a 150 dollar manifold.

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hmmm...if that manifold doesn't make 20 hp on a modified motor, IT WILL NOT MAKE 20 hp on a stock motor...GUARANTEED!!!

try to know your facts better before you flame</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hmmmm, I wasn't flaming. But since you are: there is absolutely no way you can guarantee that a part that was developed and tested to make decent power gains on a stock motor, will make the same amount or more power on a highly modified motor. They're completely different animals. You need to know your facts.

1OPTION

Very nice.

1 2 NV

once again the hype has started, once again i was a non believer, once again somebody took the initiative to find out its all BS. 20WHP on a stock motor was a completely idiotic gain for AEBS to even advertise.
i agree every motor is different but 20WHP is a rediculous claim. its **** like this that makes me a future NON PURCHASER of products that cant even come close to what they claim. AEBS and their BS manifold.