Mr. Softee

im a huge fan of uberdata. i did blow my motor using it but it was a result of injector failure, not uberdata failure. It does essentially the exact same thing as hondata, except for the fact its free

i made 254whp on my stock ls with only 30 mins of tuning uberdata.

here is the link as a lot of you were asking me about it and where to get it etc..http://www.orbit3d.com/car/uberdata.exe
lata

sam


Modified by 94goldjungsr at 11:41 PM 10/24/2003


Modified by 94goldjungsr at 11:42 PM 10/24/2003

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Phoenix GSR

are there any new features or changes?

Evil EG

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Phoenix GSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are there any new features or changes?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes, this is really looking promising. 2D Fuel and ignition maps. Looks like hes gunna put datalogging and autotune in it eventually. Looks good.

civperc

why was this guy banned from h-t?

raene

Click - download. Even if I'm @ work right now I'm not letting this program get away from me again!

hulkhb

sweet deal......time to upgrade

raene

If the software proves its usefulness to me, I'd be more than willing to donate I just wish it came with usage/installation instructions! For example... I have a Civic DX computer. Since they all have VTEC maps, and I'm running a PR3 now, couldn't I use a PR3 bin on a chip, socket the DX computer, install the chip & then have a fully-programmable management system?

It's all greek to me (ignorance is bliss)

falcongsr

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he is a really smart kid but a little too rough around the edges and he was a real *******...especially to people that he feels aren't as smart as he is.

hoggy

How do you burn these chips?

MADEINIRAQ

anybody wanna burn me a chip.. i have the .bin its the timing retard for boost pr3 chip.. with no fuel changes.

anybody?

hoggy

any cheaper methods.....is this all i need to be able to tune a boosted setup for up to 8 psi with upgraded injectors?

hoggy

Is there a way to load a map and modify it?

raene

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b3435 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yea It would be great, but from what I understand (and I could be wrong) blake kinda wants you to work a bit for it,after all its free.

I heard j.davis was going to do something like a faq or tutorial, but I know he is real busy.

When I start using it, I'll be glad to do it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That would be awesome It seems like all the people using these programs already know everything about them... there's no 'in' for the little guy trying to learn about it.

raene

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Go to "File"... Go to "Open"... modify... when you're done... "File"... "Save As"

raene

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b3435 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes Not assembled=$69 assembled=$98

You need a chiped ecu and some skill, and a wideband and anything else you find searching around </TD></TR></TABLE>

You use the enclosed software to load the BIN and then burn the .bin through the Batronix unit to the chip? So there's not one but two pieces of software, as well as the chip burner itself?

rjardy

Where can I go to learn more about this? i want to do this. I know i need the programmer and the chips, but i pretty much dont know anything else. Can you get a map written for your setup or do you have to do it your self? I have DSM450's and an sc 32. I dont think it would be that hard to write one, and im sure some one has allready. Can someone point me in the right direction? I tutorial would be awesome. I am going to get my setup running here in a few weeks, and would like to learn more.

Rob

hoggy

Thanks...I feel sorta stupid now...but oh well. What else can you tell me about his stuff?

What Eproms do I buy?

How many times can they be burned?

Any tutorials online about using this stuff?

raene

Well thanks, that cleared up a lot of things for me! I wonder now... I think I have a PM6 sitting in the garage I could learn by socketing, then learn the Uberdata or PGM-FI editors' interfaces, rewire for VTEC as per that FAQ, and then use that on my B16A... I assume there's got to be a PR3 bin kicking around

Looks like I have some research to do!

Mr. Softee

i prefer the 29c256's

sam

Sonny

Uberdata FAQ

Stupid newbie tard Uberdata FAQ
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Author: Blake Warner
Email: uberteg@***.net, vertigo118@***.net
Notes: Remember to donate if you use and enjoy this software!

1) What EXACTLY do I need to chip my ecu and tune it with this program?
2) How do I know which bin file to open?
3) I opened the bin file, what do these #'s mean?
4) The boost portion of the maps aren't set?
5) What is this fuel avergae efficiency thing?
6) What does "Boost ignition retard" do?
7) How do I set/change my rev limiters?
8) What is Full THrottle Launch?
9) How do I change my VTEC crossover point?
10) How do I adjust my idle?
11) What is TPS enrichment?
12) What is cold crank enrichment?
13) Ok, I got all this ****, how do I tune?


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1) What EXACTLY do I need to chip my ecu and tune it with this program?
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* First, you must make sure your ecu is an OBD1 (came in 1992-95) honda
civic/integra ECU (engine control unit).

* Second, get your hardware supplies. You need one - 1/4 Watt 1.0k resistor, two
0.1uF Ceramic Disc capacitors, one 74HC373 IC, and a 28-pin 29c256 eprom.
I get my chippling supplies from radio shack and jdr.com. Radioshack wont have the eproms

* third, chip your ecu. Heres a guide form pgmfi.org (Remove the cover from your ECU and follow these instructions):
"1. Desolder all holes for the components.
2. Solder in a 28 pin socket. (Empty footprint)
3. Solder in the 74HC373. (Empty footprint)
4. Solder a 1.1K ohm resistor into R54 location marked in white lettering (not needed on P72 USDM GSR) (Note: 1K - 10K resistors seem to work ok. This is a simple pull up/pulldown resistor. 1K resistors seem to work well with ROM emulators that have trouble with 10k resistors)
5. Solder in two 0.1uF ceramic disc capacitors into C51 and C52.
6. Solder in J1. This jumper can activated by utilizing an unused resistor lead or extra section of spare wire.
7. Insert the 28 pin DIP PROM in the proper orientation and start the car.

Notes: Caution: If you plug in an EPROM or EEPROM backwards it will overheat and erase or damage the device. Use a 27C256 ROM, same as OBD0.
If you are getting an error that was not there with the
stock ECU, write the appropriate stock .bin file to a blank chip and install in your ECU. If there is still an error, there
may be a soldering problem. Cut J1 to return the ECU to stock.

Thanks go to Fabrik8 for this great explanation!"

* finally, you need an eprom burner, I suggest you get the pre-built batronix
eprom burner from http://www.batronix.com/electr...shtml

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2) How do I know which bin file to open?
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If you have a b18a/b, use StockLS/Int274.bin
If you have a b18c, use StockGSR/Int273.bin (this includes type-r's)
If you have a Non-VTEC d-series, use p06-ErmBaseline.bin
If you have a VTEC d-series, use p28-ErmBaseline.bin

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3) I opened the bin file, what do these #'s mean?
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On the grid view, the Y-Axis is Revolutions Per Minute (RPM).
The X-Axis is the MAP reading (The amount of pressure inside of the motor).
The vacuum side (left) is in inch/Hg units, while the boost portion is in PSI.
On the fuel maps, the values dont mean anything special. All you need to know
is, the higher the #, the more fuel you get. Injectors start to max out around 800.
The Ignition values are in degrees before top dead center (BTDC).

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4) The boost portion of the maps aren't set?
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When you open a stock rom, it doesnt automaticlly set the boost side of the ignition
and fuel maps. You must set them manually or use my built in calculator functions.
To set fuel, click on the "Boost" tab, set the "Boost Average Efficiency" to 120%, then click apply.
To set ignition, click on he "Boost" tab, set "Boost Ignition Retard" to 1.0 and click apply.
Or just set each value manually (Arg! heh).

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5) What is this fuel average efficiency thing?
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its the average amount of air density change when the air is compressed. A value of 100%
means the air density isnt changed (which is not true). When you compress air, it heats
up, hotter air is less dense. Most turbos are around 75%, but NEVER start off with this.
You want to richen it up, start with 120%, and tune down from there. Richer is better than lean!

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6) What does "Boost ignition retard" do?
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The more air you get into your motor, the more you must retard the ignition because
denser charge burns faster. This setting lets u specify how much timing is pulled
per psi of boost. 1.0 is very conservative, and is a good base setting. Dont go lower
than 0.6 per lbs w/out dyno tuning or unless you really kno what you are doing.

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7) How do I set/change my rev limiters?
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Click on the "Rev Limits" tab, then set "Fuel Cut" to what you want your rev limit
to be. Set Fuel resume about 100rpm lower. Click "Apply" when finished.

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8) What is Full THrottle Launch?
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Full throttle launch pretty much lowers your rev limit when you are below a certain
speed, this is for mroe consistant launches, and *could* be used to build boost
off the line if tuned properly (retard timing and dump fuel at your FTL rpm).
Fuel Cut is your stall RPM, and Disable MPH is the speed at which FTL disables.

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9) How do I change my VTEC crossover point?
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Click on the "Rev Limits Tab, change the enable/disable rpm's to what ever you like, then click apply.

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10) How do I adjust my idle?
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Click on the "Misc" tab. Change the Idle Speed rev limiters to what ever you wish.
If you raise your idle, advance your timing slightly in that rpm range so it will
Idle smoothly. IACV Adjustment adjusts the frequency of the Intake Air Control Valve.
If you have having a low idle problem, slide it to the left. If you have a high idle problem,
Slide it to the right.

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11) What is TPS enrichment?
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When you step on the gas suddenly, the ecu dumps some extra fuel in anticipation
of the extra load. Without this, your car would hesitate when you stepped on the gas.
However, when you add larger injectors, the ecu will dump too much fuel.
Ususually, you should set this to 240/NewInjectorSize*100. But add like 5-10% back.
So if you have DSM 450's, set this to about 65%.

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12) What is cold crank enrichment?
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Adjusts the amount of fuel dumped on cold starts, this is only a concern when u get larger injectors.
Then the ecu will dump too much fuel causing rich start ups and hesitation until it warms up.
Current not supported in this version, but will be added very soon.

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13) Ok, I got all this ****, how do I tune?
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First of all, you must scale the maps for your larger injectors since the stock maps
are for 240cc injectors. The ghetto way todo this, is to select the entire fuel map,
change the math multiuplication multiplier at the bottom to (240/NewInjectorSize*100)+5.
Then tune from there. This is ghetto because larger injectors dont flow as much at
Lower pulse widths because it takes longer for them to open/close cuz of their increased mass.
Thats why you add at least 5% back, maybe more if you have a huge injector.

hoggy

Anybody have a boosted b16 map?

How can you change to a 3 bar map sensor?

cornhusker

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8) What is Full THrottle Launch?
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Full throttle launch pretty much lowers your rev limit when you are below a certain
speed, this is for mroe consistant launches, and *could* be used to build boost
off the line if tuned properly (retard timing and dump fuel at your FTL rpm).
Fuel Cut is your stall RPM, and Disable MPH is the speed at which FTL disables.
</TD></TR></TABLE>

i would like to hear more about this? would it be retard timing and add fuel for the entire area below the ftl rpm? or only at the ftl rpm?

edit - i made a quick little pic. so what area of the map would we need to edit to build boost on the launch (if ftl is set at 4000rpm)? i highlighted a couple areas (blue, yellow, orange). any of these the correct area? if not, where? thanks.

http://www.imagestation.com/pi...g.jpg &lt;-- full size image


Modified by cornhusker at 9:36 PM 9/22/2003

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27c256 chips must be erased with a special UV light
29c256 chips can be erased and rewritten with your programmer

The Rob

If anybody would burn these and sell them for a pretty good price I'd love to have one for my B20b.