98vtec

I have a friend of mine who bought a chip and used the burn1 to read what was on the chip and this is what he got as a "spoon" h22 chip.

forewarning to tuners......this may make you cringe.













apparently someone thinks they can download the "p13" map from pgmfi and think it works completely and throw in some random *** ignition numbers with a high rev limiter...


reason # 123214125344536675685432323212 to steer clear of eBay products.

Chris Tune

lol wanna c the skunk, mugen and other impossible others? this might actually get fun

98vtec

post em up

Flip.

for the info..

I'm sure there will still be people on here buying them, blowing up their motors and wondering why

Chris Tune

skunk 2...





XS eng i believe...





MAD TITE POWAH

1 2 NV

i have a mugen, spoon, xsengineering and more chips from a company years and years ago. we pulled the maps off them, cant remember for the life of me how they ran but the skunk one did make my car gain 4mph and 4/10ths, no joke.
knowing what i know now though i wouldnt ever ever do that again.

Chris Tune

ill post more when i get bored... this is too labor intensive

98vtec

atleast those have fuel values....lmao

98vtec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 2 NV &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a mugen, spoon, xsengineering and more chips from a company years and years ago. we pulled the maps off them, cant remember for the life of me how they ran but the skunk one did make my car gain 4mph and 4/10ths, no joke.
knowing what i know now though i wouldnt ever ever do that again. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i know you wanna post them

lets get these maps up and show people why to go to a TUNER.

Chris Tune

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i know you wanna post them

lets get these maps up and show people why to go to a TUNER.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ya dant need ta toon foooo

yust h00k sum nawsss... 200 shot fo sho, fuel press on da high 80's and sum b1cth will b swett yall

1 2 NV

i actually dont have the reader to pull the maps, its my friend that has the magic.

98vtec

email it to me

1 2 NV

we pulled them years ago i doubt hes still got them on his computer

Ass$nyper

This is awesome, in a sad way but still awesome

log1c

wow hahah

junkyard racer

wow.

7rrivera7

iTrader: (1)

Ok, looking at the original "Spoon" bin and from the little I know about Crome maps, it's obvious the fuel tables are a joke and the VTEC ignition table is super aggresive at high to mid vacuum.

Aside from this and the high rev limit, can you guys point out other "issues" which I may have missed by visual inspection?

unusual71

^^ #1 issue you missed is that people are actually paying for this madness

7rrivera7

iTrader: (1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by unusual71 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^ #1 issue you missed is that people are actually paying for this madness</TD></TR></TABLE>

I understand that but my focus is on a deeper understanding of ECU fuel and ignition maps

v4lu3s

unless crome has changed recently the numbers shown in the fuel maps for p13 bins are not the actual fuel values. the fuel values are calculated on the fly, though the numbers in those maps i believe are used in the calculation of such values.

b19coupe

The fuel tables in those maps are obviously a joke. That is not the biggest problem, however. The load values are screwed up beyond belief.

Load values should progress from the column with the highest vacuum in column 1 to the least vacuum in column 10. Note that the load values in columns 4 & 6 are identical. The load values are all over the place without rhyme or reason. The ECU running that map would be so confused that it would have a psychotic break

eksteve

I always knew those chips were crap and wondered if anybody seriously bought them. I just wish i knew what the flip i was looking at in those tables up top

mar778c

iTrader: (1)

Wow

7rrivera7

iTrader: (1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The fuel tables in those maps are obviously a joke. That is not the biggest problem, however. The load values are screwed up beyond belief.
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Excellent observation

I totally missed that

DCFIVER

I dont know jack about reading those tables But am I correct in reading that the engine displacement on the H22 map reads as 1595cc's???