builthatch

If you have an 06+ Si, please select the exact year within the poll of the car with which you are having the issue.

Please, Si's ONLY or ban.

Issues are overly notchy shift action to 3rd from 2nd, sub-par engagement and possible popping out of 3rd, etc.

While it's been said that adding short shift adapters, changing type of tranny oil, etc can aid in this, it's fairly apparent this is more of a problem than those bandaids can truly fix.

If you vote erroneously, please alert me and i'll correct it.

RICO_

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While it's been said that adding short shift adapters, changing type of tranny oil, etc can aid in this, it's fairly apparent this is more of a problem than those bandaids can truly fix.

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True. It's been a bit of an annoyance to me....but i've learned to get used to it. Would still like to see it fixed though....I don't enjoy having to put brute force into shifting into 3rd occasionally when the car needs to warm up.

Changed the tranny fluid and that didn't do crap!

And i'm hesitant to take it to the dealer as they would most likely pull the "We can't duplicate the problem." phrase on me. Or they will simply point the finger at me and claim abuse......like most dealers take pleasure in doing.

TRAG

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True. It's been a bit of an annoyance to me....but i've learned to get used to it. Would still like to see it fixed though....I don't enjoy having to put brute force into shifting into 3rd occasionally when the car needs to warm up.

Changed the tranny fluid and that didn't do crap!
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Agreed RICO_

everday though....it seems as tough we keep inching and inching closer and closer to getting it fixed..hopefully soon!!

builthatch

there is one guy in NY that claims they did fix it...

23444-pns-316 gear set ,3rd
242210-pns-010 fork (3-4)
08798-9031 fluid,mt

unfortunately, he claims that he had to let them have the car for an extended period of time before they could reproduce it, however...once they did, it seems as if they acted quickly.

i might contact this guy to get his service director's name, dealership name, etc to use them as a precedent.

TRAG

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by builthatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there is one guy in NY that claims they did fix it...

23444-pns-316 gear set ,3rd
242210-pns-010 fork (3-4)
08798-9031 fluid,mt

unfortunately, he claims that he had to let them have the car for an extended period of time before they could reproduce it, however...once they did, it seems as if they acted quickly.

i might contact this guy to get his service director's name, dealership name, etc to use them as a precedent.</TD></TR></TABLE>

really? keep us updated!! thx

clemsonhatch

I had the fuild changed and it's better...like RICO said you adapt. It would be nice to have it fixed.

Type X

Auto X'd my car
Tracked my car
Beat my car
Supercharged my car

Never had any issues very noticable during ownership, i had discussed occasional issues however i attributed this to NOT fully engaging my clutch and being "lazy" when shifting.

when i was focused and fully engaging in my driving...never once had an issue.

builthatch

are you inferring that the what everyone is seeing is NOT a defect and/or it is a technique issue?

on another note, i have an appointment for Friday at Rossi Honda to go for some drives with a tech to reproduce it. They will allow me to drive the car to replicate it.

EmoHatch

06 Si.
3rd gear definitely has a problem.. it's not technique. In cold temperatures the issue is far more noticeable. In the summer I rarely have problems with 3rd.

TRAG

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3rd gear definitely has a problem.. it's not technique. In cold temperatures the issue is far more noticeable. In the summer I rarely have problems with 3rd.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ditto

Type X

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3rd gear definitely has a problem.. it's not technique. In cold temperatures the issue is far more noticeable. In the summer I rarely have problems with 3rd.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Temperature plays a role with the driver, fluid, other variables not the sum of the parts.

You just voided out the discussion by saying its fine in summer

Listen guys, i'm not nit picking but 90% of drivers

1. don't properly warm up their cars
2. just slush through the gears during daily grind driving...

Everyone is guilty of it, tapping it into gear, trying to jam it into gear to speed up in traffic.

Close ratio shifting is NOT BEST for daily driving...however its one of the major positives for honda as a vehicle.

builthatch

ehh, i dunno. the car has sucked in this department since i got it. it's a honda, not a Zonda or Ferrari, so it should shift like any other pedestrian car, hondas included, i currently have, or have had.

it should not require special attention to make sure it successfully engages in third when the other gears require way less attention by a competent and well-versed driver. i've been through alot of cars and never have seen such an issue across the board as this, with any of them, and that includes several hondas.

of course 'laziness' will cause issues with anything requiring coordination. that's not what anyone is addressing here. this is a problem past any coordination or normal circumstances.

hondamanforlife

mine is much better since I added the SS and alum bushings. but it still acts up from time to time. really my SI is not as bad as others. like X said if you drive lazy it will become a problem. my last civic (97HB) lost 3rd alltogether. I dont want that to happen to this one. I hope Honda stands behind there car so I can buy another Honda in the future. I will never buy another ford after all the trouble I have had with my 05 F350 4dr deisel dually what a POS! I have 30.000 miles on it and it has had 4 oil leaks, tranny reworked, ABS replaced along with the master cyl, 4 rear power sliding windows, all the lights burnt out, and a new turbo. the list goes on. sorry for the rant. I hope I dont have this with my SI. I need to take that back for valve cover leaking again after they replaced the gasket a month ago. Im afraid Hondas are not as good as they once were!

TRAG

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Temperature plays a role with the driver, fluid, other variables not the sum of the parts.

You just voided out the discussion by saying its fine in summer

Listen guys, i'm not nit picking but 90% of drivers

1. don't properly warm up their cars
2. just slush through the gears during daily grind driving...

Everyone is guilty of it, tapping it into gear, trying to jam it into gear to speed up in traffic.

Close ratio shifting is NOT BEST for daily driving...however its one of the major positives for honda as a vehicle.

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not trying to be a pain...but i really think it is a little deeper than that. a good percentage of si owners are all having the same issues. i believe that honda will finally adress the issue with a recall when someone gets into an accident due to this problem...

bs101

Don't you need another poll alongside this one asking what year of SI you own? That way you would have a percentage.

elohel

It's not lazy shifting. If it was, we all wouldn't have the same problem with the same gear out of 6 gears. No other gear do I have trouble engaging, except 3rd. It's tough to put in at times, and sometimes results in me grinding because of that.

builthatch

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i'm just looking to see how many of them overall are having the issue and moreover how many of each gen are having issues....

RICO_

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not trying to be a pain...but i really think it is a little deeper than that. </TD></TR></TABLE>

X2. If it were simply lazy shifting and not letting the car warm up then wouldn't most or all the gears would be difficult to engage?

I shift the exact same way through all my gears and yet 3rd gear is the only one giving me attitude. Every other gear is smooth-shifting.

Do the short shifter and cable bushings really help at all? I have yet to try that approach.

Caveman74

I have had mine pop out twice in TWO years.. Only because the tranny was cold and the temp was below 30

builthatch

RICO, i have the comptech SS adapter and it reduces throw and hence makes the 3rd gear distance shorter, but the notchy behavior and "two stage" feeling going into that gear is still there...

to add, my car doesn't necessarily have an issue to the point that it absolutely impedes my ability to get around, however, it's just not how it 'should' be. you should not have to over think about shifting into third, add add'l pressure to assure it's engaged, pass an initial notch before it notches again and engages fully, etc. something is NOT right.

also, i don't understand why people come in this thread and talk about how their car doesn't have an issue, am i missing something? :shrugs: i think that is great, seriously, however that doesn't help my car, or anyone else's, or contribute to the point of the thread, which is an accounting of how many of each gen on here suffer from this issue.

so, what's the point?

RICO_

Well so much for THAT approach....

hondamanforlife

yea RICO the SS and bushings help a good bit. but I still have trouble with notchyness and like someone said it's like two steps into 3rd. I had the 3rd gear issue 2 times tonight within 100 miles, so for me it does happen every day, (some issue with 3rd). I cant help but wonder whats the long term damage is going to be with all the little grinds and peices of 3rd moving around in our tranny's humm

TRAG

honda will have to make a recall in some amount of time. its only a matter of time before that first transmission related accident lawsuit happens.

i dont know how it could happen but it will.

honda knows that there is a problem...no doubt...there are just trying to push it on as long as they can because this will cost them million of dollars.

but if they dont address the problem soon, they are going to lose even more money and respect from its unhappy customers.

jaepalm

the "poll" part of this thread is soley dependant upon the viewers' particular vehicle that they own, i.e. if there are more 06 owners that respond to this, then 06 will "win."

This issue is obviously prevelant throughout the entire new style. Just replace your stock trans. fluid with BG SYNCROMESH.

I'm just as tired of saying this as you guys are listening to me say it.

Sorry, just kinda bitter cuz i watched Duke win.

TRAG

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ive canged my tranny fluid like everyone has asked. i got about a week before i slowly started having problems again...

i still think its more technical than that. a real problem