98vtec

To start off, here is my setup:
* JDM H22a motor and tranny swap
* RMF narrow 4-1 Header
* 2.5" Magnaflow High Flow Cat
* Apex'i N1 exhaust piping with Vibrant streetpower muffler
* Ported/Port Matched OEM Intake manifold with Blacktrax 8 port spacer
* AEM Fuel Rail
* B&M Fuel Pressure regulator
* B&M Fuel Pressure Gauge
* Custom Goodridge Stainless Steel Fuel line
* NGK Plugs and NGK Plug Wires
* Action 2ks clutch
* Fidanza 12lbs flywheel
* P28 Ecu
* Neptune RTP Engine Management
* Innovate LC1 wideband O2
* Boomslang OBD2A-OBD1 Conversion Harness
* JAZ Motorsports Oil Catch Can
* PS, AC and Cruise Control removed
* s2000 Throttle body
* s2000 oil filter
* 16x7.5" wheels




ok so let me lay it out for everyone, this is how it goes:

1) V2
2) stock
3) type S
4) super short ram with BPi

these are by PEAK hp

so lets get on with the graphs shall we:

Stock (blue) vs AEM V2 (red)


stock (dark blue) vs Type S (red)


BPi (blue) vs stock (red)


super shortram with BPi (green) vs AEM V2 (blue)


BPi s-shortram (blue) vs TypeS (red)


My best run during tuning (red) vs AEM V2 (blue)


ALL intakes:



And this is my baseline to my best:


another graph with my baseline and selected tuning runs, run 23, i finally fixed the rich dip after the vtec crossover


If i am missing any, let me know. More to come next weekend....hopefully

And tom, i havent forgotten about you, i will be doing your test next weekend. Its 75 dollars for two pulls so im just gonna go ahead and get another hour of tuning done, see what this manifold can do.

Missing Gears

so is it safe to say a short ram intake is worse than stock or am i missing something?

98vtec

pretty much, i wish i could have gotten the 3" aem CAI into the test

Rosko

iTrader: (1)

better get that thing to the track!

98vtec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rosko &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> better get that thing to the track!</TD></TR></TABLE>

i honestly think there is more power in there. Just gotta find it

Missing Gears

and who has been telling everyone that you lose power w/ a short ram since day one only to have everyone under the sun argue w/ him

i have tested the aem 3" cai in the past vs. the short ram and it killed it. i would say the cai will make good power over stock even though i never had a stock intake to test it against

Rosko

iTrader: (1)

I wonder what the flowstack would do on the end of the V2 as opposed to whatever it comes with.

Missing Gears

do You feel that the tq is a little low? no offense of course.

98vtec

its right on par with my old dyno graph with crome. I'm down about 10whp and 10ftlbs equally from the Dynojet in Jacksonville and my local dyno jet.

I made 186whp and 149ftlbs on the Jacksonville dyno with the power and torque peaking roughly in the same RPM.

I was looking for a flat torque curve and a linear hp curve, and that is what i got.

98vtec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rosko &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wonder what the flowstack would do on the end of the V2 as opposed to whatever it comes with.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the flowstack is too small for the V2.

Missing Gears

i was gonna say the tq looked 10-15 lbs. low, what exactly did you do to the intake manifold?

98vtec

the IAB's are removed and replaced with an 8port spacer. The plenum and lower half of the IM were portmatched to this spacer which was indeed a fair bit larger than the stock ports. Thats about it.

The car feels amazing. Its wanting to break loose these R-compound tires really bad in first, lol.

98vtec

after looking at these, im beginning to wonder what would happen with the stock intake if we removed the stock filter and replaced it with a K&N.

and to give the Type S a little slack, the K&N was a little dirty.

Hawkze_2.3

Thanks for posting those up.

Missing Gears

i only ask because when i experimented w/ modifying a few stock im's and removed the material between the runners inside the plenum (basically making 4 runners instead of the 8 holes) i lost about 10-15 lbs. tq depending on how aggresive i got w/ each manifold. i found it best to remove the butterflies only.

however i do believe the gutted stock im would work well on a boosted application.

i have also lost a large amount of tq in the past do to a poorly designed header as well, as much as 28 lbs. tq in some areas and a minumum of 15 across. it was a very cheap 4-1 header back in the day

98vtec

i didn't go near to that extent..lol

i reshaped the entrance to the ports a little and made the ports themselves larger.




I wish none of this crap with the throttle and IM issues would have occured. I could have gotten alot more accomplished. Doing a run without the spacer completely is something i really want to look into.

sucks not having your own dyno

Missing Gears

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">after looking at these, im beginning to wonder what would happen with the stock intake if we removed the stock filter and replaced it with a K&N.

and to give the Type S a little slack, the K&N was a little dirty.</TD></TR></TABLE>

if you were to try a better flowing filter in the stock airbox, you should definately see a power gain. rather than going for a k+n, try an amsoil nanofiber filter. its a dry filter and does a better job of filtering while still flowing better than the k+n. plus you wont ever have to oil it or if you want an oiled filter you could go w/ an afe proguard 7 (advanced flow engineering) that would flow the most air of any filter on the market today w/ the best protection, but its oiled

98vtec

man, this would have been so much better with a CAI involved...oh well. There will be other times for me to do this kinda stuff again. I'm pretty sure this isnt my last dyno go 'round

md23vtec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Missing Gears &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and who has been telling everyone that you lose power w/ a short ram since day one only to have everyone under the sun argue w/ him
i have tested the aem 3" cai in the past vs. the short ram and it killed it. i would say the cai will make good power over stock even though i never had a stock intake to test it against </TD></TR></TABLE>

Because your a hasbeen or better yet a "never was" just like me

Missing Gears

btw, its good to see someone doing some actual dyno testing rather than just believing something will make power just because its an "aftermarket performance product" most guys that play on the dyno alot have known for years you lose power w/ a short ram from stock, but when you try to tell that to people on this forum they only laugh and say "oh, my sri doesnt suck in hot air once the car is moving", i guess when they hear the woosh sound its automatically faster

anyway, to you sir.

prelude_93vtec

hey whats a type s intake? and the short ram looked reall small. do you think thats why it was showing less power?

try using one like this. (from my car)
ebay intake

Missing Gears

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by md23vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Because your a hasbeen or better yet a "never was" just like me </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah, i know. oh well, at least i still have my 276 whp/ 206 wtq n/a h series dynograph to show all the know-it-all wannabe's out there who really knows best or at least knew best

98vtec

maybe one day i will be old a decrepit like you two.

Missing Gears

will you be testing other im's later?

Missing Gears

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe one day i will be old a decrepit like you two. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i am feeling old, bending over to work on cars all day ends up taking its toll on your back. thats why i think im gonna pay someone i trust from now on to do it for me

i actually did a t-belt/waterpump, cam seal, t-stat, oil change and tire rotation on my baby momma's accord earlier today and i have to tell you, i can barely stand up straight now of course it didnt help that i had to do it on the ground, but still a job that used to take me 1.5-2 hrs ended up taking like 5 hrs today. not only am i old and decrepit but i think im also going def, slightly blind and developing ahlsheimers at the same time

btw kids, remember to keep the brake clean, antifreeze, brake fluid, gasoline, and any other harmful fluids away from your eyes and mouth as they will do their damage over the years oh yeah, and stay away from the freeon also


Modified by Missing Gears at 9:31 PM 7/22/2007