Skunk2 camber kit problem.
01-26-2007, 03:45 PM
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Skunk2 camber kit problem.
Hey peeps is this a common problem??? the end of the camber is hitting my fender and damaging it
is the same on the passenger side, did i install it wrong, my steering is really shitty and loose i already took it to aligment. Help out a brother.
is the same on the passenger side, did i install it wrong, my steering is really shitty and loose i already took it to aligment. Help out a brother.
01-26-2007, 05:27 PM
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Re: Skunk2 camber kit problem. (latindc2)
The end of the camber? I hope you meant the end of the UCA. If you have a set of sliding UCA bushing for camber adjustment, then you should not use them with a replacement UCA, as that could happen. Alternatively, you could have a UCA meant for another car, bent knuckles, or a ton of other possibilities.
If its hitting the flat horizontal section directly above the UCA, then you're too low and undersprung. Our cars do not have much front suspension travel stock, and replacement UCAs have a taller ball joint, reducing that available travel even further. If this is a street car, remove that unnecessary camber kit, its only hurting your ride. Camber adjusting UCAs are best left to those who need to dial in an exact amount of camber for race purposes on Integras.
Get some working pictures, write in correct English, and maybe we can help. Its near impossibly to understand what you mean.
If its hitting the flat horizontal section directly above the UCA, then you're too low and undersprung. Our cars do not have much front suspension travel stock, and replacement UCAs have a taller ball joint, reducing that available travel even further. If this is a street car, remove that unnecessary camber kit, its only hurting your ride. Camber adjusting UCAs are best left to those who need to dial in an exact amount of camber for race purposes on Integras.
Get some working pictures, write in correct English, and maybe we can help. Its near impossibly to understand what you mean.
01-26-2007, 06:52 PM
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Re: Skunk2 camber kit problem. (TunerN00b)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TunerN00b »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If its hitting the flat horizontal section directly above the UCA, then you're too low and undersprung. Our cars do not have much front suspension travel stock, and replacement UCAs have a taller ball joint, reducing that available travel even further. If this is a street car, remove that unnecessary camber kit, its only hurting your ride. Camber adjusting UCAs are best left to those who need to dial in an exact amount of camber for race purposes on Integras.
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Skunk2 camber kits WILL do that to the strut towers of integras. If you are worried because of uneven tire wear, just make sure to take it to an alignment shop and fix the "toe". Just as tunerN00b said, no need for a camber kit unless the car is used for racing and needs the right cambering.
If its hitting the flat horizontal section directly above the UCA, then you're too low and undersprung. Our cars do not have much front suspension travel stock, and replacement UCAs have a taller ball joint, reducing that available travel even further. If this is a street car, remove that unnecessary camber kit, its only hurting your ride. Camber adjusting UCAs are best left to those who need to dial in an exact amount of camber for race purposes on Integras.
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Skunk2 camber kits WILL do that to the strut towers of integras. If you are worried because of uneven tire wear, just make sure to take it to an alignment shop and fix the "toe". Just as tunerN00b said, no need for a camber kit unless the car is used for racing and needs the right cambering.
01-26-2007, 10:03 PM
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Re: Skunk2 camber kit problem. (E.J.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by E.J. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Skunk2 camber kits WILL do that to the strut towers of integras. If you are worried because of uneven tire wear, just make sure to take it to an alignment shop and fix the "toe". Just as tunerN00b said, no need for a camber kit unless the car is used for racing and needs the right cambering.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I disagree. I've shredded a pair of tires in 1000 miles because i was dropped 2 inches on sportlines. And this was with a fresh alignment. Dropping your car won't affect the 'toe-in' whatsoever. So I believe the solution is to buy the Ingalls style kit, where it modifies the UCA joints and makes them adjustable.
Skunk2 camber kits WILL do that to the strut towers of integras. If you are worried because of uneven tire wear, just make sure to take it to an alignment shop and fix the "toe". Just as tunerN00b said, no need for a camber kit unless the car is used for racing and needs the right cambering.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I disagree. I've shredded a pair of tires in 1000 miles because i was dropped 2 inches on sportlines. And this was with a fresh alignment. Dropping your car won't affect the 'toe-in' whatsoever. So I believe the solution is to buy the Ingalls style kit, where it modifies the UCA joints and makes them adjustable.
01-26-2007, 10:28 PM
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Re: Skunk2 camber kit problem. (Greenery18)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Greenery18 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I disagree. I've shredded a pair of tires in 1000 miles because i was dropped 2 inches on sportlines. And this was with a fresh alignment. Dropping your car won't affect the 'toe-in' whatsoever. So I believe the solution is to buy the Ingalls style kit, where it modifies the UCA joints and makes them adjustable.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL you do NOT know what you're talking about. First off, lowering your car WILL affect your affect your toe. Second, toe makes your tires wear much more than negative camber does. Yes, negative camber will wear your tires some but my car is dropped about 3" and in about 10,000 miles I've had miminal wear on my tires. Just rotate your tires often to get thge most live out of them.
Greenery18 - I can't explain your tire wear problems, but the alignment must have not been done properly because negative camber will not eat through your tires that fast.
All in all, I believe that camber kits are just something else that can come out of alignment and it's not worth the time or benefit if you just watch your tires and rotate them often.
I disagree. I've shredded a pair of tires in 1000 miles because i was dropped 2 inches on sportlines. And this was with a fresh alignment. Dropping your car won't affect the 'toe-in' whatsoever. So I believe the solution is to buy the Ingalls style kit, where it modifies the UCA joints and makes them adjustable.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL you do NOT know what you're talking about. First off, lowering your car WILL affect your affect your toe. Second, toe makes your tires wear much more than negative camber does. Yes, negative camber will wear your tires some but my car is dropped about 3" and in about 10,000 miles I've had miminal wear on my tires. Just rotate your tires often to get thge most live out of them.
Greenery18 - I can't explain your tire wear problems, but the alignment must have not been done properly because negative camber will not eat through your tires that fast.
All in all, I believe that camber kits are just something else that can come out of alignment and it's not worth the time or benefit if you just watch your tires and rotate them often.
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Re: Skunk2 camber kit problem. (Greenery18)
skunk2 camper kit does that.... if you dont have gas shocks.. get them and make sure you have springs that have a spring rate for a gsr..
01-26-2007, 11:24 PM
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Re: Skunk2 camber kit problem. (Stein)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Greenery18 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I disagree. I've shredded a pair of tires in 1000 miles because i was dropped 2 inches on sportlines. And this was with a fresh alignment. Dropping your car won't affect the 'toe-in' whatsoever. So I believe the solution is to buy the Ingalls style kit, where it modifies the UCA joints and makes them adjustable.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Like mentioned [Stein]
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stein »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
LOL you do NOT know what you're talking about. First off, lowering your car WILL affect your toe. Second, toe makes your tires wear much more than negative camber does. .
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I've had my cars and friends' cars lowered without camber kits and with only fixed "toe" all have had no problem with tire wear. Although the wear is not perfectly even, simply fixing the "toe" will eliminate unnecessary inside tread wear.
I disagree. I've shredded a pair of tires in 1000 miles because i was dropped 2 inches on sportlines. And this was with a fresh alignment. Dropping your car won't affect the 'toe-in' whatsoever. So I believe the solution is to buy the Ingalls style kit, where it modifies the UCA joints and makes them adjustable.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Like mentioned [Stein]
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stein »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
LOL you do NOT know what you're talking about. First off, lowering your car WILL affect your toe. Second, toe makes your tires wear much more than negative camber does. .
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I've had my cars and friends' cars lowered without camber kits and with only fixed "toe" all have had no problem with tire wear. Although the wear is not perfectly even, simply fixing the "toe" will eliminate unnecessary inside tread wear.
01-27-2007, 02:44 PM
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Re: Skunk2 camber kit problem. (E.J.)
Heh, I think you guys don't understand suspension very well. Integras are double A-arm style, so theres no way toe can be affected by dropping the car. Lowering a car does the same thing to the suspension as a large bump would--it compresses the springs and moves both arms upwards. It also increases camber, so in a turn when your springs compress and your body rolls, your tires are at a good angle to grab the road. So you are claiming that when you hit a bump or turn, and the suspension compresses, the toe-in changes? heh, no. That would cause terrible handling, especially in turns.
Toe-in is simply how the tires are related to eachother when the car is dead-straight--they should be on parallel paths. Kick-up is defined as the degree to which the tires angle(camber) in a turn, and is slightly affected by lowering. Ackerman is defined as the difference in angles between the R and L tires in a turn, because the inside tire travels a shorter distance than the outside tire, hence needing a sharper turning angle.
I used to race remote control cars professionaly, in which you can modify MUCH more than you can on a honda's suspension. Read up.
Toe-in is simply how the tires are related to eachother when the car is dead-straight--they should be on parallel paths. Kick-up is defined as the degree to which the tires angle(camber) in a turn, and is slightly affected by lowering. Ackerman is defined as the difference in angles between the R and L tires in a turn, because the inside tire travels a shorter distance than the outside tire, hence needing a sharper turning angle.
I used to race remote control cars professionaly, in which you can modify MUCH more than you can on a honda's suspension. Read up.
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Re: Skunk2 camber kit problem. (E.J.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Greenery18 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I disagree. I've shredded a pair of tires in 1000 miles because i was dropped 2 inches on sportlines. And this was with a fresh alignment. Dropping your car won't affect the 'toe-in' whatsoever. So I believe the solution is to buy the Ingalls style kit, where it modifies the UCA joints and makes them adjustable.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You're wrong. Dropping your car will affect toe. This is what wears out tires. I never ever got camber kits. I just fix the toe, and my tires wear out super even. My camber angles were at about -3 or so. Never bothered. You probably got a bum alignment.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by E.J. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Like mentioned [Stein]
I've had my cars and friends' cars lowered without camber kits and with only fixed "toe" all have had no problem with tire wear. Although the wear is not perfectly even, simply fixing the "toe" will eliminate unnecessary inside tread wear.</TD></TR></TABLE>
OMG!! I THOUGHT NOBODY AGREED!! I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE THAT FOR YEARS!!
I disagree. I've shredded a pair of tires in 1000 miles because i was dropped 2 inches on sportlines. And this was with a fresh alignment. Dropping your car won't affect the 'toe-in' whatsoever. So I believe the solution is to buy the Ingalls style kit, where it modifies the UCA joints and makes them adjustable.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You're wrong. Dropping your car will affect toe. This is what wears out tires. I never ever got camber kits. I just fix the toe, and my tires wear out super even. My camber angles were at about -3 or so. Never bothered. You probably got a bum alignment.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by E.J. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Like mentioned [Stein]
I've had my cars and friends' cars lowered without camber kits and with only fixed "toe" all have had no problem with tire wear. Although the wear is not perfectly even, simply fixing the "toe" will eliminate unnecessary inside tread wear.</TD></TR></TABLE>
OMG!! I THOUGHT NOBODY AGREED!! I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE THAT FOR YEARS!!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Greenery18 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Heh, I think you guys don't understand suspension very well. Integras are double A-arm style, so theres no way toe can be affected by dropping the car. Lowering a car does the same thing to the suspension as a large bump would--it compresses the springs and moves both arms upwards. It also increases camber, so in a turn when your springs compress and your body rolls, your tires are at a good angle to grab the road. So you are claiming that when you hit a bump or turn, and the suspension compresses, the toe-in changes? heh, no. That would cause terrible handling, especially in turns.
I used to race remote control cars professionaly, in which you can modify MUCH more than you can on a honda's suspension. Read up. </TD></TR></TABLE>
can i have what drug hes on? oh wait, postbone that thought.
i dont know what you do with your little 12 dollar rc car, but in the real world, experience will out weigh what you have learned in a text book.
when everybody says your wrong, take note, be aware of why, maybe its you. we may know something you dont know. Something we dont have to be in school to learn.
I used to race remote control cars professionaly, in which you can modify MUCH more than you can on a honda's suspension. Read up. </TD></TR></TABLE>
can i have what drug hes on? oh wait, postbone that thought.
i dont know what you do with your little 12 dollar rc car, but in the real world, experience will out weigh what you have learned in a text book.
when everybody says your wrong, take note, be aware of why, maybe its you. we may know something you dont know. Something we dont have to be in school to learn.
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can i have what drug hes on? oh wait, postbone that thought.
i dont know what you do with your little 12 dollar rc car, but in the real world, experience will out weigh what you have learned in a text book.
when everybody says your wrong, take note, be aware of why, maybe its you. we may know something you dont know. Something we dont have to be in school to learn. </TD></TR></TABLE>
just because people think they're right, doesn't mean they are. even if there's lots of them. sorry if we disagree.
can i have what drug hes on? oh wait, postbone that thought.
i dont know what you do with your little 12 dollar rc car, but in the real world, experience will out weigh what you have learned in a text book.
when everybody says your wrong, take note, be aware of why, maybe its you. we may know something you dont know. Something we dont have to be in school to learn. </TD></TR></TABLE>
just because people think they're right, doesn't mean they are. even if there's lots of them. sorry if we disagree.
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Re: Skunk2 camber kit problem.
There is quite a bit more to the rc car than most any production car, but castor will create the effect of toe, when the suspension is compresed, and lowered as well. I dont know the amount of castor on a crx, but the rear will change its camber, due to the need to adjust the toe, as a result of the trailing arm desighn, which is then corrected with washers between the wheel well and the camber compensator arm. After the toe adj. is done of course.
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