8atman's supercharger install.... also posted in the F/I, but nobody has input.
11-05-2006, 05:50 PM
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8atman's supercharger install.... also posted in the F/I, but nobody has input.
PRICE: honestly... if you shop around, and buy a used kit, dont cut any corners on new hoses and gaskets, sparkplugs, and whatnot.. i'd say around $1,000. before tuning.
old picture of my old setup: (new pics coming very soon of my ****)
Yes, i like the supercharger.... doesnt feel like a Honda anymore, it actually has torque from idle all the way to redline.
before the turbo spools.... yes, the supercharger would crush it on horsepower and torque. the turbo has no parasitic drag, so of course it will make more peak numbers. but the power curve and delivery of the supercharger makes it more predictable. i had a turbo SOHC right before this supercharger... (like a month before)
... and i do feel like the turbo had more top end power... would likely win in a freeway situation, possible a 1/4 mile race, although it would be close... the supercharger would definately get the jump and pull at least to the 330 mark, if not the 1/8th mile. if you plan on only racing on the streets (which are rarely even close to an 1/8th mile length before the loser shuts his car off) or if you plan on road racing..... the supercharger is the way to go.
if it were a 1/4 mile track car only.... of course i'd say turbo.
The installation/maintainence of the supercharger is MUCH easier...
install is simple, just like an intake manifold install, except you got to relocate the alternator and run a new belt. (which isnt that hard, the jackson kit is well engineered) these are internally oiled, and pretty much maintainence free, besides changing and tightening belts on occasion. (you need to change and tighten belts on any motor, right?)
the installation/maintainence of the turbo took a little more time, i had to take out the power steering and air conditioning... remove the bumper, cut, measure, cut, recut, and cut the bumper some more to fit the piping and intercooler (painted black in my photos, still visable if youre looking for it). well, i could have easily cut the bumper once to show off the intercooler like most riceboys do, but i wanted the 'sleeper' look. i had a pain in the *** fitting the turbo manifold and T3 turbo without halfway removing the motor itself... basically i had to bolt up the manifold, then crawl under the car, and bolt the turbo up squeezing my hands into tiny spaces.. fitting the downpipe was a pain in the *** too.
OIL LINES!
I friggan hate oil lines. once i got rid of one leak, another would spring up. then i'd get rid of that, and oil would come from somewhere else.
you need to tap the oil pan and the motor for oil fitting, then run an oil line to the turbo from the engine, and then to the oil pan as drainage from the turbo. (this is for lubrication and cooling of the turbo... burns on my knuckles show it gets hot)
i changed the oil on my motor every 1000 miles or 1500 miles, just because i knew this oil was getting hotter than it would on a normal engine.
then you got friggan silicon couplers... a turbo kit has so many weak points that its almost a waste. if you dont use hardcore couplers and clamps, you will blow off some basic crappy rubber couplers and clamps.
but with the right couplers, you should only have to re-tighten these on occasion.
installation on the charger is obviously easier... but its harder to get it to idle smooth. (which can be done, with patience) sometimes i cant even tell my engine is running, it idles so smooth.
they both have their ups and downs. i am NOWHERE near the end of my build for the supercharged car... but i do see some new projects in my future.
i've just started on my build, and havent tuned it yet... but even with a simple street tune by me, the car moves. very smooth and quiet... hard to tell that its fast until you look at the speedo and youre doing over 120.
the only way to tell that youre quick is because you get tired of shifting. LOL no need to drop gears on the freeway to pass another car.... leave it in fifth, give it some gas, and you'll go from 60 to 100 in no time.
the LOUD intake noise that honda's make is GONE... you only hear a loud whine from the charger... which sounds awesome from behind the drivers seat. sounds even better from outside of the car. you'll get plenty of looks from ricers or legit honda owners alike.
overall, i think my supercharged engine would crush a similar turbo car at the same PSI in almost any racing situation.
when i first installed the kit, i had the 5 PSI pullies installed, then i put an 8 PSI pulley on, and the car came to life, i now have a 10-11 PSI setup that i'm waiting to put on my motor the day before my dyno. not really hoping for crazy numbers.... just maybe 185HP and like 150TQ to the wheels.... which i guess is pretty good on a sohc nonvtec, with stock internals. and the torque will probably make peak numbers around 4500 RPMS. (just where VTEC motors start to wake up)
i'm happy so far.
BTW, i've had a nitrous B16 too.
dont get me wrong, a turbo system will do an AWESOME JOB.
but with my experience, i liked the supercharger better. but thats just me, i like the power delivery the supercharger gives.
turbos can also be hassle free, i just didnt have that sort of luck.
as far as internal work goes... i personally like HIGHER compression supercharged motors on lower boost levels. feels like a very strong N/A car. and boost isnt super crazy.
you could run a supercharger with the 8 PSI pulley and the correct header with maybe a cam and cam gear for under $2500 if you find a USED charger in good shape.
i havent got to dyno-tune my setup yet, only a baseline ( i have more parts and higher boost levels to install) but un-tuned on 5-6 psi i made almost 160hp and 145tq on a dynojet... but here is big chris' setup that was recently dyno'd on a dynapack.
163.5 HP and 139.4 TQ
D16A6 stock
JRSC 3.4 pulley
Ek crank pulley makin 8psi
550cc Injectors
DC Header
Greddy MX
WR Intake
WR Fuel Regulator
here are a few videos of my supercharged sohc nonvtec crx:
http://www.streetwerkzclothing...x.wmv
http://s77.photobucket.com/alb...nch63
BEFORE:
AFTER:
removing the strut tower bar
bitching and talking **** to eachother on whos car is gonna be faster.
removing the intake
intake off
intake off and battery removed
removing factory parts
removing throttle cable
unhooking throttle cable from throttle body
removing stock fuel rail
fuel rail off
removing injector clips
injectors removed
moving **** outta my way
expletive you clearance issues
removing various vaccum hoses and coolant lines
draining coolant
pissing coolant
random angle of the work area
removing the manifold nuts
removing the manifold
done deal..... and look, NO STICKY GASKET!
Hondata gasket
old manifold
comparing hondata gaskets.... of course, mine has more material, so its more pimp too. 
sensor to be transferred
...to be transferred
Ash decided to stick with a D series throttle body
I'm teasing Ash by installing the Jackson manifold
inspecting rotors and resealing manifold to the m45 eaton blower
putting the supercharger back together
the empty space that wants the jackson ****!
Ash being overly excited by the donkey dick S-tube
puttin his **** back together
at my advice, Ash ditched the nylon single bearing idler pullies for these dual bearing Billet pulleys. Good Call.
installing the S-tube
slapped some Rota centers on his CF-48s
lmfao!
making sure the strut bar will clear the blower
the end of DAY ONE, as i didnt want to rush things... and where Ash slept for the night.
random engine bay shots
hey... wake your *** up, its DAY TWO!
installing studs.... which proves later to be FATAL!
EG fuel rail installed
B&M adjustable FPR next to stock FPR w/ 90 degree bend
installing the B&M on the 90* bend
put Ash to work finding much needed alternator clearance
all assembled
EG fuel rails make EF's BLING!
spacing out the alternator location
gave Ash one of my never opened OEM parts i had laying around, a new fuel filter!
he's showing off his new pressure gauge
explaining how it works.
i also had a bunch of new OEM washers in bags too. its good to be a former Honda employee.
all installed, Ash's approval
some added bling in an otherwise disgusting engine bay.
the start of our ******* problems
making progress
connecting TPS sensor
reinstalling all factory sensors, harnesses, hoses, fittings, and coolant lines
connected throttle cable
installing the fuel feed line
some colder NGK 7s are in the mix
the only problem i had with my big fat hands was installing these hoses. Ash got to crawl under the car and do this for me.
Ash didnt like working, so he flipped off the car, i then threatened him with a steak knife!
detailing how the new belt is going to run
5 PSI crank pulley (he wants to play it safe until a tune)
more pulley shots
M45 blower from below
double and triple checking everything
it was here that we connected the battery, and i had Ash prime the fuel pump.... but not start the car. leak.
called it the end of DAY TWO, DAY THREE starts tomorrow.
so far.... 10 hour install
give or take driving to get lunch, get parts, buy some new wheels for his ride, etc. etc.
Modified by STREETWERKZ at 2:32 AM 11/10/2006
old picture of my old setup: (new pics coming very soon of my ****)
Originally Posted by ILoveJDM.
Do you like running your supercharger on your Rex? Is it more sufficient and power making than a Turbo? What are your overall thoughts on the performance?
before the turbo spools.... yes, the supercharger would crush it on horsepower and torque. the turbo has no parasitic drag, so of course it will make more peak numbers. but the power curve and delivery of the supercharger makes it more predictable. i had a turbo SOHC right before this supercharger... (like a month before)
... and i do feel like the turbo had more top end power... would likely win in a freeway situation, possible a 1/4 mile race, although it would be close... the supercharger would definately get the jump and pull at least to the 330 mark, if not the 1/8th mile. if you plan on only racing on the streets (which are rarely even close to an 1/8th mile length before the loser shuts his car off) or if you plan on road racing..... the supercharger is the way to go.
if it were a 1/4 mile track car only.... of course i'd say turbo.
The installation/maintainence of the supercharger is MUCH easier...
install is simple, just like an intake manifold install, except you got to relocate the alternator and run a new belt. (which isnt that hard, the jackson kit is well engineered) these are internally oiled, and pretty much maintainence free, besides changing and tightening belts on occasion. (you need to change and tighten belts on any motor, right?)
the installation/maintainence of the turbo took a little more time, i had to take out the power steering and air conditioning... remove the bumper, cut, measure, cut, recut, and cut the bumper some more to fit the piping and intercooler (painted black in my photos, still visable if youre looking for it). well, i could have easily cut the bumper once to show off the intercooler like most riceboys do, but i wanted the 'sleeper' look. i had a pain in the *** fitting the turbo manifold and T3 turbo without halfway removing the motor itself... basically i had to bolt up the manifold, then crawl under the car, and bolt the turbo up squeezing my hands into tiny spaces.. fitting the downpipe was a pain in the *** too.
OIL LINES!
I friggan hate oil lines. once i got rid of one leak, another would spring up. then i'd get rid of that, and oil would come from somewhere else.
you need to tap the oil pan and the motor for oil fitting, then run an oil line to the turbo from the engine, and then to the oil pan as drainage from the turbo. (this is for lubrication and cooling of the turbo... burns on my knuckles show it gets hot)
i changed the oil on my motor every 1000 miles or 1500 miles, just because i knew this oil was getting hotter than it would on a normal engine.
then you got friggan silicon couplers... a turbo kit has so many weak points that its almost a waste. if you dont use hardcore couplers and clamps, you will blow off some basic crappy rubber couplers and clamps.
but with the right couplers, you should only have to re-tighten these on occasion.
installation on the charger is obviously easier... but its harder to get it to idle smooth. (which can be done, with patience) sometimes i cant even tell my engine is running, it idles so smooth.
they both have their ups and downs. i am NOWHERE near the end of my build for the supercharged car... but i do see some new projects in my future.
i've just started on my build, and havent tuned it yet... but even with a simple street tune by me, the car moves. very smooth and quiet... hard to tell that its fast until you look at the speedo and youre doing over 120.
the only way to tell that youre quick is because you get tired of shifting. LOL no need to drop gears on the freeway to pass another car.... leave it in fifth, give it some gas, and you'll go from 60 to 100 in no time.
the LOUD intake noise that honda's make is GONE... you only hear a loud whine from the charger... which sounds awesome from behind the drivers seat. sounds even better from outside of the car. you'll get plenty of looks from ricers or legit honda owners alike.
overall, i think my supercharged engine would crush a similar turbo car at the same PSI in almost any racing situation.
when i first installed the kit, i had the 5 PSI pullies installed, then i put an 8 PSI pulley on, and the car came to life, i now have a 10-11 PSI setup that i'm waiting to put on my motor the day before my dyno. not really hoping for crazy numbers.... just maybe 185HP and like 150TQ to the wheels.... which i guess is pretty good on a sohc nonvtec, with stock internals. and the torque will probably make peak numbers around 4500 RPMS. (just where VTEC motors start to wake up)
i'm happy so far.
BTW, i've had a nitrous B16 too.
dont get me wrong, a turbo system will do an AWESOME JOB.
but with my experience, i liked the supercharger better. but thats just me, i like the power delivery the supercharger gives.
turbos can also be hassle free, i just didnt have that sort of luck.
as far as internal work goes... i personally like HIGHER compression supercharged motors on lower boost levels. feels like a very strong N/A car. and boost isnt super crazy.
you could run a supercharger with the 8 PSI pulley and the correct header with maybe a cam and cam gear for under $2500 if you find a USED charger in good shape.
i havent got to dyno-tune my setup yet, only a baseline ( i have more parts and higher boost levels to install) but un-tuned on 5-6 psi i made almost 160hp and 145tq on a dynojet... but here is big chris' setup that was recently dyno'd on a dynapack.
163.5 HP and 139.4 TQ
D16A6 stock
JRSC 3.4 pulley
Ek crank pulley makin 8psi
550cc Injectors
DC Header
Greddy MX
WR Intake
WR Fuel Regulator
here are a few videos of my supercharged sohc nonvtec crx:
http://www.streetwerkzclothing...x.wmv
http://s77.photobucket.com/alb...nch63
BEFORE:
AFTER:
removing the strut tower bar
bitching and talking **** to eachother on whos car is gonna be faster.
removing the intake
intake off
intake off and battery removed
removing factory parts
removing throttle cable
unhooking throttle cable from throttle body
removing stock fuel rail
fuel rail off
removing injector clips
injectors removed
moving **** outta my way
expletive you clearance issues
removing various vaccum hoses and coolant lines
draining coolant
pissing coolant
random angle of the work area
removing the manifold nuts
removing the manifold
done deal..... and look, NO STICKY GASKET!
Hondata gasket
old manifold
comparing hondata gaskets.... of course, mine has more material, so its more pimp too.
sensor to be transferred
...to be transferred
Ash decided to stick with a D series throttle body
I'm teasing Ash by installing the Jackson manifold
inspecting rotors and resealing manifold to the m45 eaton blower
putting the supercharger back together
the empty space that wants the jackson ****!
Ash being overly excited by the donkey dick S-tube
puttin his **** back together
at my advice, Ash ditched the nylon single bearing idler pullies for these dual bearing Billet pulleys. Good Call.
installing the S-tube
slapped some Rota centers on his CF-48s
lmfao!
making sure the strut bar will clear the blower
the end of DAY ONE, as i didnt want to rush things... and where Ash slept for the night.
random engine bay shots
hey... wake your *** up, its DAY TWO!
installing studs.... which proves later to be FATAL!
EG fuel rail installed
B&M adjustable FPR next to stock FPR w/ 90 degree bend
installing the B&M on the 90* bend
put Ash to work finding much needed alternator clearance
all assembled
EG fuel rails make EF's BLING!
spacing out the alternator location
gave Ash one of my never opened OEM parts i had laying around, a new fuel filter!
he's showing off his new pressure gauge
explaining how it works.
i also had a bunch of new OEM washers in bags too.
its good to be a former Honda employee. all installed, Ash's
approvalsome added bling in an otherwise disgusting engine bay.
the start of our ******* problems
making progress
connecting TPS sensor
reinstalling all factory sensors, harnesses, hoses, fittings, and coolant lines
connected throttle cable
installing the fuel feed line
some colder NGK 7s are in the mix
the only problem i had with my big fat hands was installing these hoses. Ash got to crawl under the car and do this for me.
Ash didnt like working, so he flipped off the car, i then threatened him with a steak knife!
detailing how the new belt is going to run
5 PSI crank pulley (he wants to play it safe until a tune)
more pulley shots
M45 blower from below
double and triple checking everything
it was here that we connected the battery, and i had Ash prime the fuel pump.... but not start the car. leak.
called it the end of DAY TWO, DAY THREE starts tomorrow.
so far.... 10 hour install
give or take driving to get lunch, get parts, buy some new wheels for his ride, etc. etc. Modified by STREETWERKZ at 2:32 AM 11/10/2006
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Re: 8atman's supercharger install.... also posted in the F/I, but nobody has input. (STREETWERKZ)
I'm not really diggin the wheels, but it looks like a nice supercharger setup though. Keep up the good work
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Re: 8atman's supercharger install.... also posted in the F/I, but nobody has input. (STREETWERKZ)
looks awsome joe Im actually looking to find a used b16/type r jrsc for my rex...they are great for road racing with such a smooth power delivery...nice work and great writeup
Im actually looking to find a used b16/type r jrsc for my rex...they are great for road racing with such a smooth power delivery...nice work and great writeup
11-05-2006, 07:03 PM
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Re: 8atman's supercharger install.... also posted in the F/I, but nobody has input. (more hp)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by more hp »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not really diggin the wheels, but it looks like a nice supercharger setup though. Keep up the good work </TD></TR></TABLE>
he's got new wheels too. i'll take pictures later.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stefndogg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks awsome joe Im actually looking to find a used b16/type r jrsc for my rex...they are great for road racing with such a smooth power delivery...nice work and great writeup</TD></TR></TABLE>
i just bought a JRSC for a GSR swap.
waiting on Adam, then i'll pulling that motor and buying his swap.
</TD></TR></TABLE>he's got new wheels too.
i'll take pictures later. <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stefndogg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks awsome joe
Im actually looking to find a used b16/type r jrsc for my rex...they are great for road racing with such a smooth power delivery...nice work and great writeup</TD></TR></TABLE>i just bought a JRSC for a GSR swap.
waiting on Adam, then i'll pulling that motor and buying his swap.
11-05-2006, 07:09 PM
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haha, nice touch on the "NBA" master cylinder cover! p.s., those wheels look like giant fan clutches...but hey to each his own.... looks sweet tho, i was thinkin about goin with the JRSC, but i just opted to hop on the bandwagon and turbo my sohc zc...maybe ill change my mind once it blows up
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Re: 8atman's supercharger install.... also posted in the F/I, but nobody has input. (STREETWERKZ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STREETWERKZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
waiting on Adam, then i'll pulling that motor and buying his swap. </TD></TR></TABLE>
ah yes so i hear...mabye i will come down to sd and throw on the jrsc at adams place when i find one
waiting on Adam, then i'll pulling that motor and buying his swap.
</TD></TR></TABLE>ah yes so i hear...mabye i will come down to sd and throw on the jrsc at adams place when i find one
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11-05-2006, 08:39 PM
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same ****, really.
well, i'll find out for sure after we get 8atman's running. i think the S tube is one piece, not two like his.
well, i'll find out for sure after we get 8atman's running. i think the S tube is one piece, not two like his.
11-05-2006, 10:34 PM
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Re: 8atman's supercharger install.... also posted in the F/I, but nobody has input. (BlUeDC2nEr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlUeDC2nEr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that's a lot of pics!
nice install!
good write up!
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not nearly done either.
150 more pics, and typing up the write-up
nice install!
good write up!
</TD></TR></TABLE>not nearly done either.
150 more pics, and typing up the write-up
11-05-2006, 10:57 PM
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keep looking.
i will have an awesome complete kit with many many extras and go-fast goodies for sale soon.
$1100 for the blower kit
$1600 for complete swap, transmission, and blower unit.
D16a6
i will have an awesome complete kit with many many extras and go-fast goodies for sale soon.
$1100 for the blower kit
$1600 for complete swap, transmission, and blower unit.
D16a6
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Looks good an nice write up...but i'll stll pick a turbo over SC...honestly in a race 1st gear is the only time i have any lag, once I shift my car stays in boost..but then again I never drove in a SC Honda...keep this stuff coming
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STREETWERKZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">keep looking.
i will have an awesome complete kit with many many extras and go-fast goodies for sale soon.
$1100 for the blower kit
$1600 for complete swap, transmission, and blower unit.
D16a6</TD></TR></TABLE>
let me know when you have it for sale, and I will see if I have the funds then to pick it up from you.
i will have an awesome complete kit with many many extras and go-fast goodies for sale soon.
$1100 for the blower kit
$1600 for complete swap, transmission, and blower unit.
D16a6</TD></TR></TABLE>
let me know when you have it for sale, and I will see if I have the funds then to pick it up from you.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STDClayton »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm assuming that's 8atman with the leg tattoos. word. sweet install & hell yes to a fellow tattooed h-t'er.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes, he sleeps under cars in cold garages.
only one of my tattoos are visable in these photos.
yes, he sleeps under cars in cold garages.
only one of my tattoos are visable in these photos.
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Re: 8atman's supercharger install.... also posted in the F/I, but nobody has input. (rasta420)
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yessirree.....
yessirree.....
