DC5R 5-Lug/Brembo Conversion on 03 EP3 - Pictures!
10-13-2006, 03:26 AM
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DC5R 5-Lug/Brembo Conversion on 03 EP3 - Pictures!
Just wanted to share my current project with eveyone on the board ...
DC5R 5-Lug Conversion on 2003 EP3
Parts purchased for conversion:
-Complete DC5R front/rear suspension with Brembo brakes, aluminum control arms, & sways
-DC5 Type S axles
-Carbotech Panther+ Pads (Front/Rear)
-Mugen Active Gate Rotors (front/Rear)
-Russell's Braided stainless steel brake lines
-2006 RSX Type S wheels
-Falken Azenis RT-615 Tires (225/45/17)
As far as the build has gone ... I dropped the car off last Thursday @ P1 Automotive and let Jack Harris get to work! For the most part things have gone smoothly, but as with any build you are bound to run into some issues.
Found out that RSX Type S rotors will not fit on the Type R hubs ... although they are similar in overall diameter, the hats are a different size. Needless to say it has been very difficult to find DC5R rotors in the US ... finally ordered some Mugen rotors yesterday. Talked with Mark at OPAK Racing and he said that they run the Honda OEM DC5R rotor on their race cars ... hopefully will have a OEM P/N from him later today for those who want/need to order DC5R rotors in the future from Honda. They are a tad bit cheaper than the Mugen ... you might save about $60-$80 for a set of 4.
The 06 RSX Type S wheels are the wrong offset ... (45mm vs 60mm) ... didn't know how much this would be an issue until everything was bolted up. Looks like I am having a rubbing issue with my current ride height ... will have to raise the car until I can find a wheel with the proper offset which has been quite a struggle ... haven't found one as of yet (other than the stock DC5R wheel). Suggestions are welcome!!
Here are a few pictures from yesterday ... project not complete yet ... Mugen rotors should show up Monday. Still waiting on the Type R rear sway bar as well ... I will update this post as things progress!
Honda OEM DC5R rotor/pad vs. OEM EP3 rotor/pad (Front) (Mugen coming Mon.)
06 RSX Type S Wheels with Falken Azenis RT-615
DC5R Rear Caliper/Rotor on EP3
DC5R Front Caliper/Rotor on EP3
EP3/DC5R Spare Parts
Thanks to the guys at P1 Automotive for all their help, support, and work over the past few years! Def. good people
Modified by FullEP3 at 8:47 AM 10/13/2006
Modified by FullEP3 at 8:37 AM 11/21/2006
DC5R 5-Lug Conversion on 2003 EP3
Parts purchased for conversion:
-Complete DC5R front/rear suspension with Brembo brakes, aluminum control arms, & sways
-DC5 Type S axles
-Carbotech Panther+ Pads (Front/Rear)
-Mugen Active Gate Rotors (front/Rear)
-Russell's Braided stainless steel brake lines
-2006 RSX Type S wheels
-Falken Azenis RT-615 Tires (225/45/17)
As far as the build has gone ... I dropped the car off last Thursday @ P1 Automotive and let Jack Harris get to work! For the most part things have gone smoothly, but as with any build you are bound to run into some issues.
Found out that RSX Type S rotors will not fit on the Type R hubs ... although they are similar in overall diameter, the hats are a different size. Needless to say it has been very difficult to find DC5R rotors in the US ... finally ordered some Mugen rotors yesterday. Talked with Mark at OPAK Racing and he said that they run the Honda OEM DC5R rotor on their race cars ... hopefully will have a OEM P/N from him later today for those who want/need to order DC5R rotors in the future from Honda. They are a tad bit cheaper than the Mugen ... you might save about $60-$80 for a set of 4.
The 06 RSX Type S wheels are the wrong offset ... (45mm vs 60mm) ... didn't know how much this would be an issue until everything was bolted up. Looks like I am having a rubbing issue with my current ride height ... will have to raise the car until I can find a wheel with the proper offset which has been quite a struggle ... haven't found one as of yet (other than the stock DC5R wheel). Suggestions are welcome!!
Here are a few pictures from yesterday ... project not complete yet ... Mugen rotors should show up Monday. Still waiting on the Type R rear sway bar as well ... I will update this post as things progress!
Honda OEM DC5R rotor/pad vs. OEM EP3 rotor/pad (Front) (Mugen coming Mon.)
06 RSX Type S Wheels with Falken Azenis RT-615
DC5R Rear Caliper/Rotor on EP3
DC5R Front Caliper/Rotor on EP3
EP3/DC5R Spare Parts
Thanks to the guys at P1 Automotive for all their help, support, and work over the past few years! Def. good people
Modified by FullEP3 at 8:47 AM 10/13/2006
Modified by FullEP3 at 8:37 AM 11/21/2006
10-13-2006, 09:33 AM
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Re: DC5R 5-Lug/Brembo Conversion on 03 EP3 - Pictures! (B18CXr)
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10-13-2006, 11:28 AM
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Re: DC5R 5-Lug/Brembo Conversion on 03 EP3 - Pictures! (FullEP3)
More Pictures from today ... the car is on the ground! Alignment scheduled for Wednesday!
Wheels on the Car
Front Side Shot
From the back looking forward
More to come ... Enjoy
Modified by FullEP3 at 4:03 PM 10/14/2006
Wheels on the Car
Front Side Shot
From the back looking forward
More to come ... Enjoy
Modified by FullEP3 at 4:03 PM 10/14/2006
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10-13-2006, 06:57 PM
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Re: DC5R 5-Lug/Brembo Conversion on 03 EP3 - Pictures! (FullEP3)
thats a sick setup. props. i had my car tuned down at p1 a while back. they still staying busy down there?
10-13-2006, 07:38 PM
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Re: DC5R 5-Lug/Brembo Conversion on 03 EP3 - Pictures! (FullEP3)
I could have told you what doesn't work. It's not a practical swap to do. I had to sell my Mugen Suspension for an adjustable setup. 225-45-17 AZENIS are too wide for this setup on DC5R wheels. TYPE-S axles won't last you long, even more so if you decide to track it. They just aren't long enough and you'll end up stretching the boots. JDM 16" +50 wheels won't clear the Brembo calipers either and also stick out a bit. SPOON 16" +45 wheels will though.
On the plus side, you can rebuild your Brembo calipers with a TL rebuild kit. You can rebuild the DC5R axles with 06 TYPE-S boots. You can also rebuild the ball joint boots off the 06 TYPE-S as well.
-Victor
On the plus side, you can rebuild your Brembo calipers with a TL rebuild kit. You can rebuild the DC5R axles with 06 TYPE-S boots. You can also rebuild the ball joint boots off the 06 TYPE-S as well.
-Victor
10-14-2006, 06:10 AM
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Re: DC5R 5-Lug/Brembo Conversion on 03 EP3 - Pictures! (97 TYPE-R 312)
Thanks for the input ... this is all a learning experience. I got my hands on the DC5R stuff so I wanted to see what the swap would be like. It may not be the easiest way to do a big brake conversion for an EP3, but I knew in the overall picture it would work. As far as things lasting ... we will just have to see ... I ran my previous setup at several track events + mountain drives and had no issues with parts. I will address the issues you have pointed out with Jack and see if he has anything to add. Good to get input from those that have already done the swap!
I will address the wheel offset issue down the road ... I think the 17" type S wheels look great! I haven't seen the car in person, but I am very happy with the pictures so far
I will address the wheel offset issue down the road ... I think the 17" type S wheels look great! I haven't seen the car in person, but I am very happy with the pictures so far
10-14-2006, 07:49 AM
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The wheel offset on the DC5-R is +60.
Victor, I'm still surprised that those SW388's fit on your EP. What's this about the Type-S axles, though -- they're too short for the Brembo conversion, yet they're still good for the Type-S brake swap you put on my car?
Victor, I'm still surprised that those SW388's fit on your EP. What's this about the Type-S axles, though -- they're too short for the Brembo conversion, yet they're still good for the Type-S brake swap you put on my car?
10-14-2006, 12:33 PM
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Re: (BarracksSi)
I believe the DC5-R has a wider track than the DC5-S ... correct me if I am wrong! So, the DC5-R axles may be a little longer to account for this ... just guessing.
If you used all DC5-S parts for your swap I am guessing you should be safe with the DC5-S axles!
If you used all DC5-S parts for your swap I am guessing you should be safe with the DC5-S axles!
10-14-2006, 06:23 PM
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Si senor!
The overall offset is the most screwed up thing about this setup. Wheel choices are slim now.
Just by looking at your pic though, it seems that your DC5S wheels are sticking out a bit. Camber will help that some though...
-Victor
The overall offset is the most screwed up thing about this setup. Wheel choices are slim now.
Just by looking at your pic though, it seems that your DC5S wheels are sticking out a bit. Camber will help that some though...-Victor
10-15-2006, 08:41 AM
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Re: (97 TYPE-R 312)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97 TYPE-R 312 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Si senor!
The overall offset is the most screwed up thing about this setup. Wheel choices are slim now. Just by looking at your pic though, it seems that your DC5S wheels are sticking out a bit. Camber will help that some though...
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The rear wheels seem to be flush with the side of the body of the car ... the fronts may be sticking out ever so slightly ... haven't seen the car in person as of yet so Jack may be a better person to answer this. Perhaps getting a set of DC5-R wheels with the +60mm offset and switching to a 215/45/17 tire will pull everything inside the body.
The car heads to the alignment shop on Wednesday ... some negative camber should pull the tops of the tires in a little
Victor -
Any info you can provide on what you are running and problems you have run into with this conversion would be appreciated!
The overall offset is the most screwed up thing about this setup. Wheel choices are slim now.
Just by looking at your pic though, it seems that your DC5S wheels are sticking out a bit. Camber will help that some though...-Victor</TD></TR></TABLE>
The rear wheels seem to be flush with the side of the body of the car ... the fronts may be sticking out ever so slightly ... haven't seen the car in person as of yet so Jack may be a better person to answer this. Perhaps getting a set of DC5-R wheels with the +60mm offset and switching to a 215/45/17 tire will pull everything inside the body.
The car heads to the alignment shop on Wednesday ... some negative camber should pull the tops of the tires in a little
Victor -
Any info you can provide on what you are running and problems you have run into with this conversion would be appreciated!
10-15-2006, 08:58 AM
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Yeah, those wheels are definitely farther out than I'm used to seeing on my own car. Mine wouldn't have sunlight on the tire treads from that angle, either.
There are a few other wheels out there with a +60 offset, but I can't remember what they are...
There are a few other wheels out there with a +60 offset, but I can't remember what they are...
10-15-2006, 09:06 AM
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Re: (BarracksSi)
Here is a shot down the length of the car ... you can see the rears are about dead even with the side of the body ... the fronts are just outside the fender.
10-15-2006, 04:27 PM
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I believe the stock OEM EP3 rotor is 10.3 inches
I believe the stock OEM EP3 rotor is 10.3 inches
10-15-2006, 04:28 PM
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Re: (blackdc5)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackdc5 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nothings wrong with the offset! Just camber it and modify the fenders (rear). The front of these MacPhersons like negative camber anyway, but go w/ the least camber in the rear as possible. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Car will be aligned on Wednesday ... Negative camber adjustment should help the look and performance
Car will be aligned on Wednesday ... Negative camber adjustment should help the look and performance
10-15-2006, 04:41 PM
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That'll take a lot of camber to bring the tops of the tires far enough inboard...
The difference between 60 and 45 mm is still just 15 mm, but that might be enough to cause problems. It would be like me putting on wheels with a +30 offset, and nobody really does that unless they modify the fenders.
Here's the closest pic I have to compare with, but you can tell that the tires are still inside the fenders.
The difference between 60 and 45 mm is still just 15 mm, but that might be enough to cause problems. It would be like me putting on wheels with a +30 offset, and nobody really does that unless they modify the fenders.
Here's the closest pic I have to compare with, but you can tell that the tires are still inside the fenders.