turboteener

Does anyone sell a piggyback board to control eight injectors with Hondata S300?

Modified by turboteener at 4:12 PM 8/10/2006


Modified by turboteener at 7:07 AM 8/12/2006

turboteener

bump

mrx

want to know too...

808draggers

Bump so I can tune my Edelbrock kit with a Hondata

DaveF

i dont know why you would want to stage the injection, that is gonna cause a problem....... you want all the injectors on @ all times, so you have no transition from one set to both sets or 1 set to the other set......


you might want to look into an injector driver box. there are several companies that offer a product like this. FJO being one of them.

Joseph Davis

A good tuner can get 1600cc injectors to idle smooth with no injector driver box. Why you'd want to stage them, I dunno.

turboteener

Modified by turboteener at 4:12 PM 8/10/2006

Joseph Davis

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turboteener &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is no reason to use 1000-1600cc injectors to putter around town at 10-20% throttle. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Strange, we do it all the time here in the trailerpark.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turboteener &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The BMW M3 has 12 injectors for a reason.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Those slow things? Daniel Trimnal's old gutted 90 DX with the LS swap + 75 shot **** raped one of those. I have video of him pulling on slow ****** Evo8 and STi from a dig on **** 175/70/13 beater tires without the spray. Whatever BMW did with the M3 is a pretty good indication of what not to do with a fast car.

****, they didn't even make LEV spec, did they? What were all those injectors for then? Who cares? Those **** *** bastards couldn't handle American innovation in radar, nuckear weaponry, or cryptography six decades ago, and the fact the suspension geometry on their cars was visibly stupid for a couple decades after tells you everything you need to know about Kubbelwagens, BMW ******ry, and Yerman Engineering *sneer*


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turboteener &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I also want to have some injectors mounted above the throttle plates for use at WOT. There is about 15% more power to be found with high mount injectors. You can't get high mount injectors to idle well.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I demand proof in your power claims, and I know from personal experience that your idle claims are bullshit. Throwing Bisi in my face about fuel atomization won't buy anything with me since his stock geometry D15 was anything but, and I have personal experience with injector placement and/or sequential firing effecting emissions WAY WAY before idle quality.

Injectors above throttle plates is a good way to absorb heat from the IM into the engine, and totally defeat being able to thermally manage and engine with individual cylinder trims; I usually have to feed #3 more fuel because it runs hotter, not because it sucks that much more air. If you want to try and let variable w/ pressure air distribution distribute your fuel wherever it wants to good ******* luck with longevity or god help you a serious engine that makes some power.

I guess holes in pistons are Yerman Engineering at their best, huh? "Tech" posts like yours are best left where they belong - the ITR forum.

turboteener

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Modified by turboteener at 4:13 PM 8/10/2006

DaveF

basicly you are retarded for trying to go against the grain. i do agree german cars are absoult junk.

ps. you are going to bend a rod.


Modified by dturbocivic at 9:06 AM 8/10/2006

BoostedEG6

I dont get why you want 8 injectors in the first place, please explain what you are looking to get out of this?

SL0WEGG

why dont you call vernon at raver motorsports?

Jizzmaster Zero

More like flamer motorsports, like the original poster.

turboteener

Fine you can stick to what has already been done. Have no interest in the status quo. I prefer to experiment and try other things.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dturbocivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">basicly you are retarded for trying to go against the grain. i do agree german cars are absoult junk.

ps. you are going to bend a rod.
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All ya'll can blow me.

BoostedEG6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turboteener &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All ya'll can blow me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

not a good way to get help around here

turboteener

All I ask for was a simple piece of info and all these folks show up with nothing but BS and no answers. I tried being civil and that didn't work so....

BoostedEG6

well you never went in depth on what you are trying to achieve with the 8 injector setup. that’s part of the reason

Joseph Davis

Quit pulling figures out of thin air; idle duty cycle on 1600cc is larger than that, and part throttle is quite large. There is a difference between actual injector behavior during small fuel consumption and how you think it works based on linear recurve.


Better than that, I've worked on one. You are aware that this last M3 was a pile of **** that the engines fell apart in, and BMW refused to warranty in many cars still under warranty? Pride in workmanship.

Oh, yah, another Sterling Example of Yerman Engineering and Aryan Superiority: remember those Audi 5000 Quattro that won all the assaults up Pikes Peak? That you couldn't make a set of LCA bushes last 20K miles in, that the Yermans couldn't figure out how to design a wiring harness so that they could "drive it every day in the rain , snow, heat, etc?" Classic.


Yeah, good, I know you don't, because he doesn't like injectors due to their poor atomisation. He has very specific things to say about power gains from carbs mounted way up the intake runner, correct atomisation, etc, and it all occurs a lot higher than most guys here spin their engines to. You see, Mr "Fine you can stick to what has already been done. Have no interest in the status quo. I prefer to experiment and try other things." it's already been done.

PS, your examples are worthless. You are talking about not-Honduhs, and mechanical injection is a bit different scenario from EFI. I've asked several people in the past to prove that there is something wrong with traditional injector placement and atomisation, and they can't - many of the big power turbo cars have bsfc of .38-.43, so you can suck on that while you ********** to pointless design quirks concocted in your fantasyland of what's wrong with Honduhs based on zero evidence that there is anything wrong.


1) This is a turbo forum, not a sissy NA forum where we can't make any torque without peeing our pants. Why are you posting here?

2) Air delivery is not based wholly on the intake manifold - different cylinders run stronger, period. And, again, ICT correction is mandatory in any serious engine because of thermal reasons - stick that down your balanced flow ITBs.

Vernon @ Raver is easy to find, google just proved it in 0.07 seconds, you are just wanking your tiny e-***** for attention. Solid work, classic HT.

redzcstandardhatch

holy crap.

SinisterCRX

haha

rudebwoy

iTrader: (1)

I wouldn't say all German cars are garbage,
but BMW are all rubbish, I live in Germany and these things are pathetic, they will haul *** down hill on the autobahn, but as soon as they got flat, or hill they fall back, they always breaking rocker arms, and throwing rods, all the junkyards here have 80% more bmw than all other cars, the best German car other than a porsche is the AUdi. yes I have spanked bmw m3 multiple times on 12 psi in their own kampf, the autobahn, get to a hill and they lose the race to a honda. I was at the German racewars bmw special, the best time they put down was 12.8 on a built m3.

igo4bmx

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rudebwoy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wouldn't say all German cars are garbage,
but BMW are all rubbish, I live in Germany and these things are pathetic, they will haul *** down hill on the autobahn, but as soon as they got flat, or hill they fall back, they always breaking rocker arms, and throwing rods, all the junkyards here have 80% more bmw than all other cars, the best German car other than a porsche is the AUdi. yes I have spanked bmw m3 multiple times on 12 psi in their own kampf, the autobahn, get to a hill and they lose the race to a honda. I was at the German racewars bmw special, the best time they put down was 12.8 on a built m3.</TD></TR></TABLE>

wow 80% of cars in german junkyards are BMWs?

that doesn't surprise me lol

Turbocivic94

I personally think 8 injectors are better than 4 large injectors. I have precision 1600cc injectors with FJO injector driver. My car idles like a tank. rpm's are not stable. Jeff Evans tuned the idle so you cant tell me its tuner issue.

1600cc injectors are just way too big to idle properly. Last year I had 1000cc injectors with honda resistor box and my car idled like factory.

I guess its hard to idle 1600cc injectors in the ghetto, air is not pure

Meat_Wagon

I have 1600cc injectors and no injector drivers, just a resistor box and it idles perfect at 1000 rpms.

Blown90hatcH

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbocivic94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> My car idles like a tank.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Lol.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Meat_Wagon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have 1600cc injectors and no injector drivers, just a resistor box and it idles perfect at 1000 rpms.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Mine idles around 1200 nicely...after warm-up

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