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Old 01-17-2006, 04:17 PM
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http://www.panekmechanik.com/v...r.wmv

heres some of the story about the pinks car, sorry i didnt have time to type anything until now.

7/05 One of the guys that used to work here (Cary) had his car stolen last year (stock gsr motor, 2871R FR kit). We got the car back from the insurance company completely gutted. That hatch got even more raped here for parts on everyones personal cars. I Just asked whatever people take off, they put their old parts back on it. so we had a pile of useless EGcivic crap and a busted/gutted/sad eg hatch that we had no idea what to do with.



11/05 we were approached at sema to build a car for the show "pinks." I told the dude no way would I put my civic up. he said to put another car up. so i thought about it and the hatch would be perfect. We built a setup we were willing to lose -- stock sleeve D series.

11/05 Rich calls back, asks me if i want to do it, I talk to the guys here and ask them who wants to try to build a race car to run on the show pinks. Everyone is down, half of them put up their old parts. I made sure that every part of the car that was done, was in-house and that everyone involved learned something new. Everything from the cage that was welded by anthony (sales) to the manifold welded by jason and benson. sean and cj practiced making rollcages and jackson custom fabricated a rad support/traction bar setup.


sean (full race welder and pro bmx-er) giving you a shakka


benson, he welded half of the manifold.


CJ welding the floor plates in (he would rather be a plummer)


jackson welding the rear frame plates in






whoa buddy representing


F-AZ

12/05-1/05 We were sponsored by:

Neptune -- Neptune Engine Management
Progress Group suspension -- coilovers
HASport -- motor mounts, diff, intermediate shaft
ERL -- built the motor, pistons/rods
Headgames – Headwork
Ferrea – Valvetrain (SOHC setup that is safe to 9500 rpm)
Evans-Tuning (tuning, tetris, commentary, recomendations, housemates, food)
Tony1 / T1RD (sick driving, saved the car, setup advice + cds exploding in the microwave)
stickerlab.com (vinyl)
brandonssickasspaint.com “LOOK AT THE PINK CAR!!!” (heard it in traffic a lot)
turboXS (boost controller)
panekmechanik (video)
jason hunt (advice)
cortney green (13" Lensos that we ran 11.2 on, crashed into the wall, bent, then made 4
more pases on, then lost. thanks cort )
lightning Motorsports – injectors
importparts.com – fuel pump
cary hearn (95 hatch)
my sister -- salvaged '98 EX (engine parts, distro, trans, axles, knuckles, brakes, spindles)
LocashRacing (countless hours of dyno time, pissed off neighbors, angry afghanis)
aaron "aloha" Teague – wrenching (FR mechanic)
NX – nitrous kit (more on this much much later)
Full-Race employees – a lot of work

11/05-1/05 - we (Full-Race) built a sheetmetal intake manifold, prostreet exhaust manifold (didnt want top mount to look too sick on the show) 3" downpipe, 20"x8"x3" pwr core backdoor setup. 5 pt cage, traction bar setup, charge pipe setup, tons of other stuff. The setup was basically an off-the-shelf stage 2 B-series kit (60-1) with a d series head flange. We have seen 641 whp from this kit on a sleeved GSR motor, and expected to see about 530-540 on this stock sleeve d series

11/05 brandon paints the hatch “ballet slipper pink”












05->06 everyone rides their bikes




jason (welded the other half of the manifold) killing it on the ramp. The pink bumper cover is in the background


sean isnt very good at riding bikes


12/05 - Progress shocks and coil overs arrive

12/05 - ERL built the motor for us. They built the motor for my civic (countless 700whp dyno pulls, it just made 790.1whp and 610 tq last night) and it just wont give up, so I wanted them to build this motor too. It used wiseco pistons on crower rods, 100% stock sleeve, stock block, stock head gasket D16A6.


12/05 - Headgames ported the living crap out of the head and intake manifold. It was unreal, i had never imagined a single cam port looking this sick. When he was done with that head, he said it would flow almost as well as a b series. Unfortunatley it took him 3 days to port it that big, but he got it done, and it was off the hook.


12/05 - PWR hooked us up with an aluminum radiator and 20x8x3 intercooler core to use in our backdoor intercooler setup (same as off-the-shelf IC setup)

12/05 - Competition clutch is set to release a b-series trans conversion kit for the d-series, but it wasnt ready in time for our race. We waited and hoped it would, but when it came down to it the race was too close and we needed a solution. Instead they put together a double diaphragm single disc 4 puck "stage 4" clutch that worked very well. I made 511 whp on one of these (after driving it 20k miles) so i knew it was good. The hard part was if we were using a d series trans, what axles would hold up?



1/10/05 Jeff Evans flys in, gets off the plane, comes straight to the dyno. We start making dyno pulls, car runs like crap. It’s a bad FPR. Find another FPR, put it on, this one is bad too. Get another FPR, car is running on our stage 2 kit 60-1. 270 whp at 18 psi, what the hell?!?!?! Rip engine apart, swap cams, swap head gasket, swap cams, swap cam gears, adjust cam gears, swap cams

1/11/05 put car back on dyno. Same thing, no power. Rip engine apart, swap cams, swap head gasket, swap cams, swap cam gears, adjust cam gears, swap cams.

Hasport is amazing. They hooked us up with D series poly motor mounts (ours were jacked with the car) , and even better, some OG D series knowledge -- ZCs use an intermediate shaft setup with a burly diff.... So Brian at hasport pulled off the impossible and found us a ZC diff and a ZC intermediate shaft. He knew the inner CV was as beefy as the B series inner, so we had some work to do. Welded the diff up, turned it into a spool, and put it in our trans.

Get car back on dyno. Car makes no power. We did not sleep for 3 days, taking the head apart, and trying to figure out if a d16a6 block with a d16y8 head and water pump was compatible, and if the timing belt was off, why did it lose power EVERYTIME we moved the cam gear??

We got really pissed, then put a different turbo on. Our off the shelf t3/t4e from a stage 1 kit.

1/11/05 Put car back on dyno with the new turbo, instant power. Jeff tunes the car to 30 psi (yes on STOCK D SLEEVES) --> 460whp, and a FAT powerband.



"It took 30lbs of boost to make 460whp on a stock sleeved d-series. I guess the rumor that stock sleeved d-series blocks not being able to take high horsepower is false. " -- Evans Tuning

We put about 20 different axle combinations in the car, and wrecked more cvs in the shop than ever before. It turns out that a b series axle is too short for the D series trans, so if you want this setup to work, you need custom axles. Its 4:30 AM, go to sleep


aaron is tired and pissed, cj is lost

1/12/05 Driveshaft shop saved us. They knew the perfect dimensions of the axles, next day aired them. We get them in the car by thursday, 3 AM.

1/13/05 Put car on dyno to set boost controller. Axles are popping out of trans!! We take axles out, check the diff, turns out an inner CV is bent. Scramble, steal a set of inners from Henry, and swap it out on a 1500 ton press.

Get to track Friday night, Tony1 hops in the car. The first pass the car runs an 11.2 @ 130, with a 1.79 60’, shifting slow and the engine was bogging in between shifts. At the end of the track, a slick blows out and the car smacks the wall. The in-car video of this is insane. We trash both slicks

We stay up all night, put a fake nitrous system in the car, cut the fenders, cut off everything that was scraped by the wall, get our 25s mounted on the lensos (didn’t know they were bent yet). Shop is a wreck, and sean fell off his bike.



1/14/05 wake up, try to get the car started. Figure out a few last minute dumbass things throw the car on the trailer, get to the track. Pinks starts in an hour


super star driver Tony1 etting ready for a blistering 11.2 sec pass into a wall again...






this was the hood off my street civic. now i dont have a hood

It begins. We get on the track, and we are racing a white FC rx7. these guys think this thing is a 9 sec car or something!!! They really thought it was FAST, I don’t think they realized it was actually a pile of crap

First race – tony does a 3rd gear burnout, we give them 2 lengths, they bog, we smoke them.

Second race – we “take the bottle out” give them 2 lengths, they bog, tony rips them out of the hole, car slows down at half-track, the rx7 pulls off the win?

Third race, tony tries to do a 3rd gear burnout, the car can barely light up the tires. He launches, the race is over, RX7 wins

Fourth race, we think the motor is done, I hustle as many lengths as we can, scaring them with "nitrous" we get 4 lengths off the bottle. Race starts, the car is going nowhere. We lose the car.

the white rx7 and pink civic come back around again. The guy who wins the civic hops in it to do a burnout/run it down the track, and stalls it. starts the car again and the car just limps down the track.


What happened to the car?

We think we tore a 6$ intercooler coupler! A simple boost leak and teh car was making no power, running NA... so even when you think you have your **** together, the simplest and stupidest things go and kick your ***!!

after the weekend settled down, we got my civic on the dyno, and made an early spooling 790.1 whp and 610 ft/lb of tq on our modified GT40R with the prototype divided top mount manifold...



thats it for now! the vids will be here soon


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Old 01-17-2006, 04:27 PM
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I gotta say, you guys at full race (especially geoff) really have your **** together. Ive been watching your advances for a while and Im really impressed by the true R&D that goes into your products. Not to say ANYTHING bad about the other fab guys, who all do a great job and produce quality products, but full-race really has the know-how behind their products that makes them go that much further.

I personally could care less about horsepower, Im more concerned with efficiency and engineering, and its good to see a company that is really contributing to the honda scene, making it that much more untouchable by the "other guys" engines...
Old 01-17-2006, 04:28 PM
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Default Re: Lost a pink car, and blew up a black one (Full-Race Geoff)

Nice, interesting read. What were the specs on the sohc engine? Pistons and rods stock bore etc? Was the original turbo a dud?
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jesus christ. you mustve been happy to finally get a good nights rest after all of that
Old 01-17-2006, 04:33 PM
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honestly, i didnt care at all we lost the car, i just had to go to sleep already. tony and most everyone cared much more than i did.
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Don't ever say you're bored!
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almost like I was there
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haha that was awesome... any idea when the show is airing? i couldn't keep track of the other thread.
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Great read. I can't wait to see some vids and the rest of this soon to be huge thread.

What do you suspect was wrong with the first turbo?
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Where's the vid @?
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Wow, what a adventure. Good work and I'm sure the publicity will be well worth it
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So did they ever tell you when the show will air? I cant wait to see it, and the in car vid of the 11.2. This king of makes me want to get a D-series, even though Im not going to.. I should have never sold my perfect y7 for $300
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The past few days were definitely a blast. While there was a lot of sleepless nights (the walls are thin, Dave!!), it was all worth it. Some things that I feel are worth mentioning:

All of the guys at Full Race did an awesome job on getting this car together and I don't think it could have been done any better.

I guess we now know that Dave's heads really do work, although it was fun making him think the problem was in the head

Tony, we are sooo happy you were not hurt. Thanks for making me see some things I failed to notice before. I'll owe you if I'm ever in a similar situation. Awesome job this weekend. BTW, the Hyundai was my favorite car out there

Joe was a trooper (not a storm trooper, though ) in staying late pretty much every night while we used the dyno.

Evan, I can't wait to see the video when it's finally finished.

Geoff and Dave, let's agree to disagree.

Jeff, you finally realize that I'm right when I say before you even start tuning that Geoff's cars will always have a fuel related problem. Nice job tuning this weekend.

To everyone else involved, this definitely was an experience. Everyone worked hard and even though the car was lost, a lot was learned.
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good lord...

way to stay with it.

to many questions.............

what cam did you use?
did you ever figure out why you lost power when moving the cam gear?
what trim turbo?
so the final whp was 460?
setup?
etc... etc...

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Wow what a story......Can't believe I sat here and read it all. You guys put up one hell of a fight just to get the car running though! Props for that.
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nice job of repp' the sohc, its a shame that you couldnt have taken the rx7 with a boosted sohc

all in all it goes to show that the smallest of problems can mess up such a good setup

did you ever find out what was wrong with the 60-1, it would be interesting to find out

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p.s. ill prob be reading this in an hour when its 20 pages long
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VIDEOSSS!!!
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we used this turbo:

http://www.full-race.com/catal...d=250

with a 57 trim. its our super secret confidential setup!!! its actually the turbo we use on most every car that isnt drag racing...
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Well, that had to be one of the best weekends i've had in a while! Alot of people from across the country coming together to make a pink civic haul ***. I'm honored to have been a part of it. I think it's safe to say that everyone involved had a great time. Alot of people put in alot of work on that car, but it was all in good fun. I think we all learned a thing or two and that in itself makes it a success. Geoff, thanks for everything man, the couch, the drivers seat, and even breakfast. lol After hanging out for a weekend with the Full Race crew (which includes the Mayor, Dave Localio, and the Evans tuning team), I almost wish i didn't have a shop, I'd work with those guys in a heartbeat!

Next time we'll pay a little more attention to the small details, that's what bit us in the *** this time. Anyone else wanna build a car to go against us on pinks?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by narfdanarf &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">almost like I was there </TD></TR></TABLE>

For sure........


I envy everyone involved. If I could do this kind of **** on daily basis(and still have a lucrative busines) and be around that many cool people, I'd be the happiest man on earth. Props to everyone that was a part of that regardless of the outcome

Phil

EDIT: And I don't give a F*%K what anyone says that pink hatch is HOT!!!!!!
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Kick *** job guys. I can't believe you guys went threw all that **** to get it done, very impressive and nice teamwork. I wish I could work there when i leave Wyotech!! Too bad you didnt win now I have to hear from the rest of the time here at school that rx-7's own by this kid who sits next to me, shruggs shoulders. What the boost at in your car Geoff?
Ryan
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we love you andrea!!!!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Full-Race Geoff &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we used this turbo:

http://www.full-race.com/catal...d=250

with a 57 trim. its our super secret confidential setup!!! its actually the turbo we use on most every car that isnt drag racing...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Can I guess which coupling came off and say it's the couping from the turbo to the intercooler?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I almost wish i didn't have a shop, I'd work with those guys in a heartbeat! </TD></TR></TABLE>

just move the shop here!!!! thats what dave is doing
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WHTZ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can I guess which coupling came off and say it's the couping from the turbo to the intercooler? </TD></TR></TABLE>

whats actually funny (well not really funny) is that it took us the loss of a car, but our turbo kits will now be far improved.

We are custom making an extra thick/extra strong hump hose to replace our standard coupler. All turbo kits we sell from now on will be improved as a result of this race


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