revolt_allmotor

OK well we were able to do a complete dyno comparison of the three headers last night at Hookups Import Tek in Upland, Ca. Before I get into the header shootout info, sheepey and I just want to thank everyone that made this possible:

Chris @ Hookups for staying late to provide his incredible tuning services as well as the use of his dyno. Also him and his employees did most of the work on swapping the headers (with a little help from Jason).

Jason @ Rage for taking time out of his day and money out of his pocket for new spark plugs and other supplies, and for supplying a header to test even though he didn't know about this til day of.

Mike @ Highend for providing us with one of their new headers to test, and coming to hang out while we tested it.

Eric @ Revolt Race Tuning for last-minute VAFC install, checking the car over and generally making sure everything was ok before we blasted it on the dyno.

Everyone else who showed up to help by taking vids, or just hanging out

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

909 HEADER SHOOTOUT - THE CAR

red EG belonging to H-T user 'sheepey'

Block: B16a2 w/ Eagle Sleeves
85mm 11.5 Arias pistons
Eagle H beam LS rods
LS balanced crankshaft

Head: B16
Headwork was done by Vance and Hines
Supertech valvesprings, retainers and flat faced stock valve sized valve
Web Racing Cams

RPM service 70mm TB
Edelbrock Victor X manifold
Lucas 440cc injectors
AEM FPR
GE blinging fuel rail

Tranny:
97 ITR
ATS 4.9 FD
OEM LSD
Clutch Masters Stage 4 clutch
Toda Flywheel

Managment:
P28 w/ Crome + VAFC

(with Highend header)


(on the rollers)


(Chris changing headers)



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

909 HEADER SHOOTOUT - THE HEADERS

I'm not going to make specific comments about quality under each header as I feel it would be a waste of time. All the headers we tested were of amazing quality. All were stainless, the Highend and Rage-supplied headers were polished while the DTR-fab was raw. I would give the DTR header a slight edge in weld quality but all the headers had remarkably clean and attractive welds. Bottom line is you won't be dissapointed with the quality of any of these headers.

DTR-Fab - I'm sure everyone is familiar with Danny's high-quality headers and fabrication work. Company is now called Six Sigma. This was the first header sheepey had on the car, Chris re-tuned for it before we tested the others. This header was originally designed for a 92mm stroke x 85.5mm bore engine, and so may not have been optimum for sheepey's smaller motor.

Highend - Similar to the Spark Racing header, but noticeably better quality. In previous testing these made slightly more power than the Spark header (on a different motor than the one we are testing here). Only header tested using 1-2 and 3-4 primary pairings...

Rage-supplied - Uses the same 1-3 2-4 primary pairings as the DTR header.

IMPORTANT - PLEASE DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD ASKING FOR RETAIL PRICES!!! THESE GUYS ARE NOT H-T SPONSORS SO THEY CANNOT GIVE PRICES ON H-T. I AM INCLUDING THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION SO YOU CAN CALL THEM IF YOU NEED A PRICE OR WANT TO BUY

DTR-Fab Header Available From:
DTR-Fab/Six Sigma Racing
http://www.dtr-fab.com
4283 N. Wilson way suite 23 Stockton CA,95205
(209)467-4909

Highend Header Available From:
Highend Autosports
http://www.highendautosports.com/
841 W. Covina Blvd. Covina, CA 91722
626-332-8565

Hookups Import Tek
http://www.hookupsimporttek.com/home/
8455 Loma Place,Upland CA 91786
909-373-RACE

Rage-supplied Header Available From:
Rage Racing
http://www.rageimports.com/
5637 Arrow Highway Montclair, CA 91763
909.608.7123

(left to right: highend, rage, dtr)


(left to right: dtr, rage, highend)


(left to right: rage, highend)


(left to right: dtr, rage)


(left to right: highend, rage, dtr)


(left to right: highend, rage, dtr)


(left to right: highend, rage, dtr)


(left to right: highend, rage, dtr)


(nearest to farthest: highend, rage, dtr) (plus chris whitfield Hookups owner/OG)


(nearest to farthest: highend, rage, dtr)


All Photos and Text Copyright 2005 Alex Edge. No part of this service may be reproduced, reprinted or republished in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or otherwise without written permission from Alex Edge



Modified by revolt_allmotor at 5:38 PM 12/14/2005

revolt_allmotor

909 HEADER SHOOTOUT - THE RESULTS

All tuning by Chris Whitfield (Hookups Import Tek) with VAFC, all results were open header...

(run 005 = DTR, run 008 = highend, run 18 = rage)


(run 005 = DTR, run 008 = highend, run 18 = rage)


As you can see, the Highend header did extremely well considering it is what most would call a "budget" header. It stays very close to the other two headers throughout the RPM range, losing out on top by about 7hp and in the midrange by about the same.

The Rage-supplied header produced slightly less top-end power than the DTR-Fab, but overall the Rage-supplied piece was the clear winner. It produced more power than the other two headers almost all the way through the RPM range, particularly between 6k and 7k. The DTR header pulled even around 7250, and from then on the two headers were neck and neck until around 8750 when the DTR pulled ahead slightly and held this advantage until shutoff at ~9k.

When you look at the power curves you have to consider that the DTR header was designed for a larger motor (92mm x 85.5mm) - the power might have come on earlier in a motor pushing that much more air.

Considering that the Rage-supplied header is priced a little bit more than the Highend header and still a fair amount less than the DTR, we have to say that it performed admirably in this comparison. As always, your results may vary depending on exact motor setup.


All Photos and Text Copyright 2005 Alex Edge. No part of this service may be reproduced, reprinted or republished in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or otherwise without written permission from Alex Edge




Modified by revolt_allmotor at 5:38 PM 12/14/2005

RCautoworks

Nice , thanks for doing something like this.

fatalman

all that reading, and no results yet! hurry

revolt_allmotor

results are up now (2:44pm)

onepoint6i

****** dope comparisons.....

you guys gonna compare more????

revolt_allmotor

just a quick vouch for Chris (HOOKUPS) tuning skills. We decided to buy the Rage header, so after the testing was done we bolted the exhaust back up and Chris did a final tune before we drove it away. Check out the results:

(horsepower with Rage header and full exhaust no cat)



(check out the A/F!! and that was done tuning with VAFC only...)

highendmike

very nice work guy's thank's to all you guy's that helped out with this dyno . Highend autosports
Mike

revolt_allmotor

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by onepoint6i &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">****** dope comparisons.....

you guys gonna compare more????

</TD></TR></TABLE>

maybe...

me chris and sheepey discussed a few ideas I had....

Whitfield Inc.

I think that was a great little test session - nothing planned just show up and test...perfect. Chris has a cool setup for this type of deal, Im going to try and work w/hookups on other part testing. Im still setback on how easy the test was, Highend ( mike ? ) was nice to supply something out of his pocket and proved that you dont need 800 to make power. Not to mention coming out after a full day at work to the 909 to be apart of the testing. Chris was the workhorse of the deal suppling the shop/dyno/skills/time to do this for everyone with nothing to gain but knowledge. As well as both of the Alex's for the car and the camera ( and the write up ) that was also out of their time with nothing to gain but info.....simply perfect. Glad I got to be around to see it all go down -

Jason Whitfield


Modified by Jason@Rage at 3:20 PM 12/14/2005

WHITFIELD-TUNED

thanks to all peeps that came out , hookups will be carrying both the highend header as well as the rage header , both of which work awesome especially considering the price compared to the $1200.00 (what i was told) DTR unit, i believe both of these headers(RAGE,HIGHEND) will retail for about 1/2 that price(no quotes) I still have all three headers here so if you have another awesome header that you would like tested please feel free to contact me
Chris Whitfield @HOOKUPS IMPORT TEK

revolt_allmotor

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jason@Rage &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im down - i can buy a few others to test if alex and chris are down ( i know they are ) and mr. revolt-allmotor can do the pics and write up again

jason whitfield</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah I'm down

ALLMOTOR18

Good ****.... Thanks for sharing this with us!..

S@nt0s

on the info!

a must haev for me when i do another NA build up int eh near future!

Sassafrass

GREAT POST TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED!!!

Posts like these are what really make this site benefical to everyone. I'm in the market for a new header and with posts like these I can really see what my money will get me.

But dam now I have to make a decision.

I would love to see some dyno time with this header
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1441825

I would love to see how it compares to that Rage header, which really impressed me!!

revolt_allmotor

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sassafrass &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I would love to see some dyno time with this header
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1441825

I would love to see how it compares to that Rage header, which really impressed me!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

that's the "Highend" header...

Sassafrass

Ohh really???

Sorry didnt know that.
Nevermind then, but still great post

crx2nr822

Bump cause I was getting my car tuned by Chris right before the header challenge went down! Too bad I missed out on it........wish i woulda stayed to watch HookUps

hybrid_vtec

great post.

Its good to see this kind of stuff since I am in the market for an exhaust manifold.

revolt_allmotor

We are just trying to help everybody out!

Replica_Racer

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">great post.

Its good to see this kind of stuff since I am in the market for an exhaust manifold.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Same here....

Viorent Grip! EG

nice post...informative....

SMSP

Well it's always good to see header comparisons, but I will say this about the DTR header, from the looks of that header it's his hi hp header. It looks identical to the one Jason Hunt and I tested. So it's no surprise that the mid range wasn't up to the other headers (at least the Highend) that are generic B series pieces.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by revolt_allmotor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Rage - According to Jason Whitfield (owner of Rage), he has been working on perfecting these for over a year, and it shows. Uses the same 1-3 2-4 primary pairings as the DTR header.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Frankly I don't know why it would take that long to "perfect" the design when to me it looks like a direct copy of the HyTech header, even down to the 2 piece design and support bracket! It almost looks like they just removed the Hytech badge, polished the spot welds up and called it their own. Here's a pic of the HyTech production header from the Endyn site.

sheepey

Last night was a great time. Thanks again to Mike at Highend for bringin the header down and lettin us do the testing, Chris for the sick tuning skills and dyno and the homie Jay for the help like always....

rodimus

just a note-
the DTR header (now six sigma) used was the "big tubed" design, and was made for a 92x85.5 engine. i bought it used directly from danny of dtr then sold/traded it to sheepey.

another note - i think i'm pretty much sold on the Rage header (especially for the price, email or call him guys!) and on Chris's (hook ups) tuning skillz