The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (ENDYN)
11-18-2005, 07:42 AM
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The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (ENDYN)
Not sure how many already know, but Endyn has designed a new aluminum manifold that has yielded better results that their original designed AIR Carbon fiber one ... see dyno chart comparison below (flywheel). Can;t wait to try this out on our Street Stock setup.
There is alot of hidden power with manifold design, we see it here plus we saw it with the IPS manifold swap in Loan's car and her e/t and MPH results from a manifold change ... goes to show there still is more power to make no matter if its a k-series or b-series
I did the dyno comparison graph done in excel it illustrate gains ...
a pic of the manifold ...
pics of how the manifolds are done:
link to more details on the manifolds ...
http://www.theoldone.com/compo...s.htm
Modified by CHEETAH at 9:53 PM 11/18/2005
Modified by CHEETAH at 9:54 PM 11/18/2005
There is alot of hidden power with manifold design, we see it here plus we saw it with the IPS manifold swap in Loan's car and her e/t and MPH results from a manifold change ... goes to show there still is more power to make no matter if its a k-series or b-series
I did the dyno comparison graph done in excel it illustrate gains ...
a pic of the manifold ...
pics of how the manifolds are done:
link to more details on the manifolds ...
http://www.theoldone.com/compo...s.htm
Modified by CHEETAH at 9:53 PM 11/18/2005
Modified by CHEETAH at 9:54 PM 11/18/2005
11-18-2005, 09:02 AM
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Re: The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (BERT-O)
I was quoted $950, or $800 if I sent Larry my ITR manifold as a core. This is just what I need to get beyond 250whp on my setup. So I think it's a very good deal considering it makes more power than the $1250 AIR manifold.
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11-18-2005, 10:26 AM
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Re: The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (dkim48)
Cheaper and better then AIRs?
I'd like to see some more real world before i'd shell out but this does looks fawrking awesome
I'd like to see some more real world before i'd shell out but this does looks fawrking awesome
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Re: The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (Surubasi00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Surubasi00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how well would that do on a mildly built N/A application? say 210-220?
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Great thinking! I forgot I'm only making that to the fly
I'd love to know also
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Great thinking! I forgot I'm only making that to the fly
I'd love to know also
11-18-2005, 11:13 AM
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Re: The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (dkim48)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dkim48 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the design on the inside of the plenum looks similar to this manifold Full-Race</TD></TR></TABLE>
didn't know full race had a manifold
didn't know full race had a manifold
11-18-2005, 11:24 AM
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Re: The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (BERT-O)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BERT-O »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
didn't know full race had a manifold </TD></TR></TABLE>
there was a thread on it while it was still in development. I'm not sure if its done yet or not. If so its a relatively new release.
didn't know full race had a manifold
</TD></TR></TABLE>there was a thread on it while it was still in development. I'm not sure if its done yet or not. If so its a relatively new release.
11-18-2005, 11:57 AM
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Re: The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (Surubasi00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Surubasi00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how well would that do on a mildly built N/A application? say 210-220?
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Apparently for something like that you can send your stock ITR manifold to Endyn to have it ported.....where they chop it open and get crazy with it....before welding it back up.
$400.00 for the chop/port/weld..... $600.00 if they provide the stock ITR unit.
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Apparently for something like that you can send your stock ITR manifold to Endyn to have it ported.....where they chop it open and get crazy with it....before welding it back up.
$400.00 for the chop/port/weld..... $600.00 if they provide the stock ITR unit.
11-18-2005, 01:30 PM
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Re: The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (Pondus)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pondus »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was quoted $950, or $800 if I sent Larry my ITR manifold as a core.</TD></TR></TABLE>
11-18-2005, 01:46 PM
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Re: The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (LSVT3K 91 C1V1C)
but there is one factor here that no-one is considering, what about the real-world application here, the aluminum is still going to get hot way faster than the cf, caz the cf's characteristics rejecting heat are incredible, so i think the cf would be better in the real world instead of the dyno
11-18-2005, 02:44 PM
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Re: The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (young noob)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by young noob »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but there is one factor here that no-one is considering, what about the real-world application here, the aluminum is still going to get hot way faster than the cf, caz the cf's characteristics rejecting heat are incredible, so i think the cf would be better in the real world instead of the dyno</TD></TR></TABLE>
But once they are both hot, they are the same temperature.
But once they are both hot, they are the same temperature.
11-18-2005, 02:52 PM
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Heat transfer rate is much different.
Example: 120 degree air is no biggie. 120 degree aluminum will burn ya. That's why the damn metal shift ***** are "killer".
Example: 120 degree air is no biggie. 120 degree aluminum will burn ya. That's why the damn metal shift ***** are "killer".
11-18-2005, 02:52 PM
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Re: The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (k24em2)
its not that simple though, ill find the thread about this on here, or ill try, the cf is still way better in denying heat, and getting a header coated was not recom. because it will supress heat, but when the heat does build up in the im, the coating will not let the heat dissapate, caz the coating works both ways, in keeping temps down, but once the heat is in the im its trapped, if you get what i mean
11-18-2005, 02:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Heat transfer rate is much different.
Example: 120 degree air is no biggie. 120 degree aluminum will burn ya. That's why the damn metal shift ***** are "killer".</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well then, lets solve this the same way we would solve the shift **** problem; have it covered in leather
Example: 120 degree air is no biggie. 120 degree aluminum will burn ya. That's why the damn metal shift ***** are "killer".</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well then, lets solve this the same way we would solve the shift **** problem; have it covered in leather
11-18-2005, 03:08 PM
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Re: The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (rochesterricer)
The second and third photo is not of the fab work on the manifolds you talk about. They are of Larry’s custom supercharger intake system and supercharger elbow. They’re for m62 supercharger, 1 for ZC motor and the rest for d16, and I think only 10 are going to be made and hopefully one is going to be mine.
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11-18-2005, 03:31 PM
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Re: The Ultimate B-series Intake Manifold (k24em2)
Once they are both hot they are the same temmp. This is true if there is no air movement.If you heated both manifolds to the same temp. in your oven, say 250F removed them into some circulating air , whitch would cool faster? Add high velocity air and fuel, whitch would cool faster? How do you get carbuator icing in aircraft if the engine and manifold are at 220F.The less mass item will disperse more heat than more mass item in an enviroment with moving air.