99lspwr

First a quick overview of my basic setup...The car is an eg hatch with a stock 1994 ls swap (mileage unknown) of course you guys know how I roll by now.. Anyway on to the rest..Basically just a rev-hard kit with a sc60 (.60/.48) turbo, log mani, 2 1/2" exhaust...My original plans were to run an fmu/ btm setup for 7-8 psi until I could get it neptuned, ubered, you get the picture...Well, I decided for now to fool around with what I had, and its working out very well so far...I had put in a 255/ hi press fuel pump along with the inline pump and was able to get 10 psi of boost out of the car with a damn near rock steady a/f ratio of about 12.2....In the crave for more gangster power, I bought a used set of rc 270cc injectors which gave me about a point and a half richer a/f to play with...Now I am able to boost 12-13 psi with the a/f back in the low 12s again with no real part throttle load up problems I thought I was going to encounter with the 270s and all the extra fuel pressure...I am fairly confident with 310cc injectors and this fuel set-up I may even be able to squeeze 14-15 psi of boost....Oh, and I know it seems real ghetto(which by todays standards it is) to use this type of a fuel/timing management, but it really seems to be working out well so far.... As far as timing goes I have learned alot about the msd boost timing master, one thing being that the the switch is waay off from what timing it is really taking out...For instance, if the **** says you are taking 1 degree out per pound of boost, it is really taking out .5 (and yes I verified this myself, Ill get to more of this in a second) so even know the msd unit is off as far as the **** goes, its really very accurate once you figure it out exactly how it works......Now on to that part..., if you set your base timing to say 16 deg. btdc and hook up your home air compressor to whatever boost level you are running, (verify this not by your compressor gauge, but rather hook it up to your boost gauge first to ensure the air coming out of your compressor is 100% accurate)...After doing this, hook the air compressor line up directly to the msd btm's vacc. line, followed by getting the old timing light out (you guys remember what those things are, right?? ) Now, shine the timing light down there and press the air nozzle down that u hooked up to the msd vacc line to while dialing back the timing light to find out how much timing is being pulled per pound of boost, and subtract that from your cars total timing to see what the new total is under boost!!!!! This works better than you all might think it does by the way I am explaining it....Now give me some imput!!! And be nice....


Modified by 99lspwr at 12:39 AM 11/9/2005


Modified by 99lspwr at 12:44 AM 11/9/2005

boostedcivicsir

you are the only person i know that can get away with **** like that. good luck with it man.

planeman01

wowsers!

99lspwr

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostedcivicsir &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you are the only person i know that can get away with **** like that. good luck with it man.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hahaha, LMAO ,thanks I guess....

boostedcivicsir

oh yeah all that **** and stock axles. cant forget them.

lshatch1.8

thats cool as hell that your running it and making it work like that but wouldnt you feel so much better with urbadate or something knowing your car is tuned perfect? perfect a/f? nice job i must say but i think your giving all the newbies the wrong empression now they will try this.. and it wont work for that long till booooom anyways good luck and hope it works out for you. you seem really smart im just wondering why u wouldnt want urbadata

99lspwr

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lshatch1.8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats cool as hell that your running it and making it work like that but wouldnt you feel so much better with urbadate or something knowing your car is tuned perfect? perfect a/f? nice job i must say but i think your giving all the newbies the wrong empression now they will try this.. and it wont work for that long till booooom anyways good luck and hope it works out for you. you seem really smart im just wondering why u wouldnt want urbadata </TD></TR></TABLE>

I would love to learn uber or something of that sort, I hear its not all that hard...But for now, I just love making this kinda crap work to get that holy **** reaction from people!! Its funny when you say perfect a/f ratio, but you probably wouldnt believe how nice the a/f looks under full boost....Now, part throttle I admit you cant smooth out the a/f as nice, because once you get into any boost the fmu sees it and immidiately slams the return line shut to give you a 10.xx a/f, but it works fine for me...The car does not act up of bog down or anything like that, and I really only give a **** whats happening under full boost anyway..

nsxmatt

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lshatch1.8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats cool as hell that your running it and making it work like that but wouldnt you feel so much better with urbadate or something knowing your car is tuned perfect? perfect a/f? nice job i must say but i think your giving all the newbies the wrong empression now they will try this.. and it wont work for that long till booooom anyways good luck and hope it works out for you. you seem really smart im just wondering why u wouldnt want urbadata </TD></TR></TABLE>

Any tuning tool is only as good as the person setting it up. The same thing can be said for the people who say Uberdata is free and anyone can do it, every kid is out there burning a map and blowing up thier car and wondering why.

FMU's can be used with good power

Hondatec38

I met you down in Newark (White 2nd Gen/Full-Race n' stuff). If it works, it works. Nice jeorrrrrrrb! But I enjoy getting 350 miles out of a full tank and still being able to rip on my car. See ya around captian.

99lspwr

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hondatec38 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I met you down in Newark (White 2nd Gen/Full-Race n' stuff). If it works, it works. Nice jeorrrrrrrb! But I enjoy getting 350 miles out of a full tank and still being able to rip on my car. See ya around captian. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, I remeber...whats going on man!!?? I hear ya on the mpg thing, luckily I have a dd car though...I will eventually get around to a real fuel management, but for now I will try to push the limits of the old school technology...If I dont feel confident in what I am doing, I wont do it...Meaning I am not the kind of person that says "I dont care if my engine blows up"...I do think it would be cool as hell to run a bone stock motor with this kind of engine management on 15 psi/pump gas and have it hold together though....

Hondatec38

True. BTW my dd is a gas hoggin S2000 . See ya round.

99lspwr

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hondatec38 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">True. BTW my dd is a gas hoggin S2000 . See ya round.</TD></TR></TABLE>

s2k huh??? I used to have one of those..Bought a brand new one in 02...These days with a fat house payment, eg civics are my s2k's!!!

justint

What sort of FMU are you using? Are you still using the stock FPR?

99lspwr

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by justint &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What sort of FMU are you using? Are you still using the stock FPR?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I am using the stock fpr with a vortech fmu, inline pump, intank pump, rc 270cc injectors and a msd boost timing master....Oh, and just so you guys know I didnt go out and buy all this crap for an expierement..I had most of laying around from here and there projects...

flood

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99lspwr

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ummm..huh??

yee SERIOUS

iTrader: (1)

cool man. i'm running on a fmu setup too. hahahaha. fuel pump and stock injectors baby. probably at 100% duty cycle now. lol but anyways...my cousin with a turbo ls boosting 13lbs is on a fmu setup too. he has 255 fuel pump, 310cc injectors, and 12:1 fmu. he's beat a lot of cars on the street, but hasn't taken it to the track. not bad really, but he's going with hondata soon. he has ran 2 fmu setups on a lsvtec and a ls, both in an eg. but kudos to you for testing everything!

99lspwr

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by undercoverdc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cool man. i'm running on a fmu setup too. hahahaha. fuel pump and stock injectors baby. probably at 100% duty cycle now. lol but anyways...my cousin with a turbo ls boosting 13lbs is on a fmu setup too. he has 255 fuel pump, 310cc injectors, and 12:1 fmu. he's beat a lot of cars on the street, but hasn't taken it to the track. not bad really, but he's going with hondata soon. he has ran 2 fmu setups on a lsvtec and a ls, both in an eg. but kudos to you for testing everything!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cool, thanks man...Hey can you ask your cousin how the 310s act with the stock ecu and the fmu setup for me???I am sure it idles fine and all, but are there any hiccups at part throttle or anything??? I will prob try a set of 310s next to see if I can get 14-15 psi out of this setup...

Dr Pooface

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99lspwr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ummm..huh??</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is the universal symbol for "Paragraph".

He's saying, "Please, next time could you seperate your post into readable paragraphs? It's extreemly hard to follow what you have written. Thank you."

99lspwr

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That is the universal symbol for "Paragraph".

He's saying, "Please, next time could you seperate your post into readable paragraphs? It's extreemly hard to follow what you have written. Thank you."</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha, yeah, I later remembered what that meant..Been out of school for a while, and english class was never a strong point!!

yee SERIOUS

iTrader: (1)

lol it was somewhat hard reading your thread cause it was one big paragraph...but yeah, the 310's fire up like stock with his stock ecu. when i drove it, it was pretty much normal accept for his hard clutch lol it pulls great, idles fine. no CEL's. killin cars on the street. of course he eventually detonated (before i got in turbo setup in, so i couldn't race him. lol). but as long as you're monitoring your a/f, i'm sure you'll be fine. all you gotta worry about is your timing.

99lspwr

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by undercoverdc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol it was somewhat hard reading your thread cause it was one big paragraph...but yeah, the 310's fire up like stock with his stock ecu. when i drove it, it was pretty much normal accept for his hard clutch lol it pulls great, idles fine. no CEL's. killin cars on the street. of course he eventually detonated (before i got in turbo setup in, so i couldn't race him. lol). but as long as you're monitoring your a/f, i'm sure you'll be fine. all you gotta worry about is your timing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cool, thanks.......And sorry to everyone about the HUGE paragraph, I got a little carried away!!

HiProfile

I get like that sometimes (carried away), but I use periods whatnot frequently - something about college-level writing skills when in 8th grade (although now that's not saying much either!)

Until you mentioned timing adjustment, I was just rolling my eyes. Looks like a very good setup, assuming it doesn't spike in any way. Tuning methods using just pumps/injectors/fmu's/etc is like a carburator vs injection - harder to tune close, but not necessarily worse.

99lspwr

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I get like that sometimes (carried away), but I use periods whatnot frequently - something about college-level writing skills when in 8th grade (although now that's not saying much either!)

Until you mentioned timing adjustment, I was just rolling my eyes. Looks like a very good setup, assuming it doesn't spike in any way. Tuning methods using just pumps/injectors/fmu's/etc is like a carburator vs injection - harder to tune close, but not necessarily worse.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hey thanks for taking time to read all that mess!! I am buying a set of used 310s in a few days, so I will try them next in the quest for 14-15 psi...I know it seems like a shitty way to tune, but it would be cool to run that kind of boost through a pump gased bone stock ls motor.......And have it hold together..

CivicMike

ghetto tuning..............great you have a 12:1 AFR at 1 psi....mine is closer to 13.5 yielding me more power. are you using an EGT to gauge your timing? might not be a bad idea if your gonna be upping the boost. (15psi is alot of boost for a ghetto tune on the stock ls) I run 550's on my tuned chipped ecu....nice and rich for boost but still making 28 MPG. with my setup im hopefully to pull 220+ HP out of a 1.6L, don't think id be able to take it to the edge on the MSD, AFC, HACK, MISSING LINK, FMU, ETC. ETC. ETC.