NEAWD

I've heard of the swap being done, but I've never actually seen one. I think the F22 engine is a very underated and high potential engine. I wanted to swap one in my coupe. If anyone has any proof of the existance of this swap I'd like to see it.

The swap would be pretty straight forward as the mounts match the H22 which has been swapped into countless civics. So I'm not worried about that I would like to get an impression of what it would be like.

LDS

Bolts in just like an h motor but has less power. If I were you I would just cough up the mony and go with the H. I have one in my car and love it. If I had an F22b1 or b2 my guess is that my car would be doing a best of say 14.8 -14.7 at best . Although it would be cool with an H tranny. Either way go for it . It can be done.

NEAWD

It's not about the money. Although an F22 is cheaper. I like the engine for many reasons. One, it is cheaper than an H22; second, it is a tough engine from the factory, although I would build and turbo it if I put it in my civic; third, it has a very good head design; fourth, it is different; fifth, it has a lot of potential that a lot of people don't realize; I could go on for a while.

Sam1am26

Well it mainly has great potential due to it's strong block construction, displacement, and the ability to swap on H-series Prelude heads... F-series is definitely good for boost... I don't know about there head designs because I like to swap the SOHC heads with DOHC prelude heads, but Bisi uses the F22 SOHC in the drag insight I believe...

F-series (especially the F23) ...

I think I'm gonna make a big threaad in the Accord forum listing everything that is interchangeable between the F and H Series... That would be useful, and there are still a lot of people outside of the Prelude forum that don't know the potential of the F Blocks...

high_revs

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sam1am26 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well it mainly has great potential due to it's strong block construction, displacement, and the ability to swap on H-series Prelude heads... F-series is definitely good for boost... I don't know about there head designs because I like to swap the SOHC heads with DOHC prelude heads, but Bisi uses the F22 SOHC in the drag insight I believe...

F-series (especially the F23) ...

I think I'm gonna make a big threaad in the Accord forum listing everything that is interchangeable between the F and H Series... That would be useful, and there are still a lot of people outside of the Prelude forum that don't know the potential of the F Blocks...</TD></TR></TABLE>

coquitlamEG

I thought the h series heads weren't compatible with the f series blocks because the oil and coolant passages don't line up??? Did i get some bad info?

high_revs

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umm your right they dont line up, but hondabond fixes all of that

NEAWD

I'll stick with the single cam not vtec F22a6 head. Still I haven't seen one done.

high_revs

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let us know how you like it...

Sam1am26

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umm your right they dont line up, but hondabond fixes all of that </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, technically they DO line up actually... The H22 head has two oil drains that don't exist on the F-Blocks so they have to be plugged, but all coolant passages and the other 8 oil drains do line up... The H23 head does not have those two extra oil drains and lines up almost perfect, except for one little spot that you should probably hondabond...

Mikey3000

F22 swap is a waste of time and money in my opinion.

high_revs

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why is that?

NEAWD

I would like to know why also. Please elaborate on your opinion.

Also Bisi uses a F22a6 in his drag car- making close to 400 n/a horsepower.

Mikey3000

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NEAWD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would like to know why also. Please elaborate on your opinion.

Also Bisi uses a F22a6 in his drag car- making close to 400 n/a horsepower.</TD></TR></TABLE>

400 na hp from a 2.2 honda production motor is impossible. i believe his is turbo.

i think F22s are just weak. they have little support in the aftermarket, its single cam so it cant be tuned as extensively as a dual cam, it has a low redline. i just think that after all the money you're gonna spend, you could do so much more with a dual cam motor. i know its been done countless times, but having an F22 isnt much to brag about. if u really want to be different you would have to put a non-honda motor in your civic.

NEAWD

It's N/A I'm positive. The aftermarket support isn't as extensive as an H series or B series, but it is their. Everything you need. Now it is limited to a single cam, if you can say limited- which I don't see it as a limitation. That doesn't mean power can't be made. It has a large displacement, the head is designed very well and can flow plenty of air to support power if done right. I really don't see anything bad about the engine, other than it lacking power in stock form- which is made up for with torque. Now you say an F22 has been swapped into a Civic? Show me pictures or any proof for that matter.

Mikey3000

i'm not going to argue with you, its just my opinion.

Sam1am26

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400 na hp from a 2.2 honda production motor is impossible. i believe his is turbo.

i think F22s are just weak. they have little support in the aftermarket, its single cam so it cant be tuned as extensively as a dual cam, it has a low redline. i just think that after all the money you're gonna spend, you could do so much more with a dual cam motor. i know its been done countless times, but having an F22 isnt much to brag about. if u really want to be different you would have to put a non-honda motor in your civic.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, Bisi is making somewhere around 400 whp N/A... But we are talking a full on race motor with like 17:1 c/r and definitely not pump gas.... But anyways, the F22s are not weak... There bottomends have iron sleeves stock and usually can hold up to 15 psi stock... Go try and do that with an H-Series... It is a single cam motor but the like i said before you can easily switch to a dual cam head, as I have done with my F23 block... And it has such a low redline because the F blocks have so much stroke 95mm(F22) and 97mm(F23)... My opinion is that the F blocks are completely underestimated...

high_revs

if i was to put a f22 in a bubble or even had it in a stock accord, i would boost it like sam1am26 said they have iron sleeves and can probably hold up boost better then h22/h23....and bisi is infact all motor with carbs

93accordNOS

I have done this swap currently. Made 176 whp and ran a 13.2 all motor. As far as the lack of aftermarket support, it's out there just not as easy to find. I'm running crower rods, wiesco 13:1 pistons, k series ferrera valves crower dual valve springs and titanium retainers, darton sleeves and an SCE copper HG. Planning to put a lot of nitrous on the motor. Here's some pictures and video for your viewing pleasure.

http://home.comcast.net/~craibit/132civicweb.wmv

high_revs

^^^^ dope

Sam1am26

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Yeah, that is pretty ill...

93accordNOS

Thanks for the props guys. Sam1am26 your post about your motor build helped me with my head gasket selection back in the day. Had to use an F23 HG and had a hell of a day finding out if it would fit until I found your thread.

ekhatchturbo

Sam1am26...I need some help on doing a H23 swap onto my 96 civic. I need to know some things, can you please email me or pm me so I get your email and ask some questions I can't seem to find? that would really mean alot to me. thanks.

Steve
stevevangst@yahoo.com

Sam1am26

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93accordNOS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for the props guys. Sam1am26 your post about your motor build helped me with my head gasket selection back in the day. Had to use an F23 HG and had a hell of a day finding out if it would fit until I found your thread.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well I'm glad I could help at least one person in the world...

sikciv666

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def get props from me for being different....


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