X-Mazda 3 Racer

Well, we have a new product coming out soon. Our aluminum oil pan is one of the nicest oil pans we have seen yet. We are just a little curious as to what some of the other engine builders would like to see as far as baffles and trap doors inside the pan. Your EDUCATED input will be very appreciated. One nice thing about our pan is the fact that the flange is a one piece billet aluminum plate that has been CNC machined, not a flat piece of bar stock like some other pan manufacturers. Here are some pics of the prototype pan:






As you can see in this last pic, the flange is made from a solid piece of aluminum so it will not flex or warp like the bar stock style flanges found on other pans.

We want this pan to be able to be used in a variety of motorsports like drag, road coarse and off-road applications. This pan also houses and extra quart of oil over the stock pan. Let me know your thought on the inside baffling that you like. Thanks

Willard

Is the extra volume obtained from extra depth? (requiring a change in the pickup)

Would drag racing benefit from some rearward baffling?
For Road Racing the front and side baffles appear (to me) to be sufficient.

The extra capacity is nice.. but with more fluid mass the chance of it sloshing around is increased. Some vertical baffling might be helpful.
The pan that I use has vertical baffling to help keep the fluid in check and direct it towards the pickup.
http://www.we-todd-did-racing....D.jpg

My comments should be taken with a grain of salt and only after I pass a Breathalyzer test.

X-Mazda 3 Racer

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Your comments are very much appreciated.
We gained the extra volume by extending the sides, not the depth, which means the stock oil pick-up can be used. The welded in bung is the drain, and the production pieces would have a port toward the flange for oil return from a turbo. We are thinking about the vertical baffles to keep the oil from sloshing and some doors for the oil pick-up. Thanks for your input

117

Something for the H22 in a road racing application would be great, especially if we could see a prototype. I have a Moroso pan that I'm modifying for road race now. Something built for road race with a diamond shaped trap door setup would be ideal. I think I can get this Moroso to work nicely with just some baffles because the pickup sits deep in the kick out. However, something built for my application would be ideal. I'm sure I could get 3 or 4 others interested as well.

urbanlegend21

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 117 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Something for the H22 in a road racing application would be great, especially if we could see a prototype. I have a Moroso pan that I'm modifying for road race now. Something built for road race with a diamond shaped trap door setup would be ideal. I think I can get this Moroso to work nicely with just some baffles because the pickup sits deep in the kick out. However, something built for my application would be ideal. I'm sure I could get 3 or 4 others interested as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>Please!!!

bad-monkey

yeah us H-series guys are hurting for some baffled pans, and definitely being hurt by oil starve...

577HondaPrelude

&lt;--- would like to see someone build a road race baffled pan for his H22.

That pan looks nice, however I would like to see more/bigger baffles, but what you have might work fine I have no real data.

revolt_allmotor

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JBBNJ609

make it with ok ground clearance and still be able to fit a nice big sized header with it, baffles are super important and make a ROAD racing pan

maybe a sheild on the pan where the header sits to shield from high amounts of heat

get done soon im prob gonna buy it and i need a new pan/ pick up


TY

and good job GE

X-Mazda 3 Racer

So i take it H22 owners are hungry for more parts

I may get a small group-buy going so we can get the prototypes done faster for the H-series. I will keep you all posted on when we can go ahead with that. If you are interested, please let me know anytime

DR

Another vote for a H22 pan. Nobody makes a good one for us H22 racers.

117

You can count me in. The only other thing I'd want besides road racing baffles and trap doors, would be a port for an oil temp gauge.

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I may get a small group-buy going so we can get the prototypes done faster for the H-series. I will keep you all posted on when we can go ahead with that. If you are interested, please let me know anytime </TD></TR></TABLE>

X-Mazda 3 Racer

It will have the following ports:

Oil Return - turbo
Oil scavenge for external wet-sump oil pump
Drain plug ( duh )
Oil Temp port - what size usually? 1/4 npt?

117

1/8 NPT is what I need for my gauge, but I think most pans use 1/4 or 3/8 NPT. I just use a reducer bushing.

X-Mazda 3 Racer

We would probably make it larger and be able to provide people with the reducers .

Thanks again guys for all the input. Keep it coming. I want these to be extremely customer friendly

Designed by the customers, for the customers

Ekasey

As long as the pump doesnt cavitate

and knowing your outstanding quality vince it should function wondreful

jlucas

We'd probably also be up for an H22 pan.

edit: road racing version of course

117

I'd say instead of using a stock pickup, use one that fits the pan better like the Moroso. It probably doesn't matter, but the pickup on the Moroso looks like it's much less restrictive than the stock pickup, and it sits deep in the kickout.

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Designed by the customers, for the customers </TD></TR></TABLE>

Want2race

Visually I would probably say it could use some sort of lateral side to side baffle for higher G loads.

The only other thing to consider would be dealing with turbo "foam". Its usually best to dump it low into the oil supply so it doesnt cause parasitic loss on the crank!

The welds and machine work are top notch tho~!

alphajesse

Another vote for a H22 pan.

Vince, I don't know if you've looked at a stock h22a4 pan, or compared h22a1 vs h22a4, but the a4 pan is designed to help brace the block and transmission, and the two generations of engine use slightly different designs.

One of the other prelude guys can probably post a pic illustrating the differences.

BTW, my vote is for a h22a4 road race pan.

Eddiebx

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alphajesse &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another vote for a H22 pan.

Vince, I don't know if you've looked at a stock h22a4 pan, or compared h22a1 vs h22a4, but the a4 pan is designed to help brace the block and transmission, and the two generations of engine use slightly different designs.

One of the other prelude guys can probably post a pic illustrating the differences.

BTW, my vote is for a h22a4 road race pan.</TD></TR></TABLE>

not sure how that h22a4 brace looks like, cuz i never really paid attention to one, but on the h22a1, theres actually a seperate brace at the front of the motor to brace the block to the tranny. perhaps this is intergrated into the h22a4 oil pan? quite interesting,

and yes an h22 oil pan thats not baffled for drag racing only would rock , oh and i will test fitment for free,

urbanlegend21

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alphajesse &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another vote for a H22 pan.

Vince, I don't know if you've looked at a stock h22a4 pan, or compared h22a1 vs h22a4, but the a4 pan is designed to help brace the block and transmission, and the two generations of engine use slightly different designs.

One of the other prelude guys can probably post a pic illustrating the differences.

BTW, my vote is for a h22a4 road race pan.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It doesn't really matter, just take the brace off, I havn't had a problem running my a1 steel pan on an a4 motor without the Aluminum pan and brace.. I don't know why they changed, honestly..

H22a1/H23a/F22/F23 pans are all the steel ones, like b-series
The newer preludes (H22A4) have aluminum pans with a big brace that covers the tranny that connects to the pan.. Don't know why, but its there..

Bbasso

Does that pan work with all types of headers? What about the snug fitting smsp and toda?

I agree vertical baffles are needed.
would there be an option for even more capacity?
Does the stock dipstick work with it?
would it use the stock oil pan gasket?

What about a finned pan to help it cool better?

just some wacky thoughts...

pwr2lbs

For road racing i would like to see more baffles. Porsche 996 oil pan uses a really slick trap door setup. It would be cool to see a trap door pan for hondas.

kb58

Add a vote for me for a H22 road-race pan. I'm very sure my H22 mid-engine Mini is going to suck air cornering if I don't do something...

A good road racing pan will have:
1. A fully baffled sump with trap doors, preferably four.
2. A horizontal baffle extending in-board as far as possible around the pickup.
3. A windage tray that *just* misses the crank (very important).
4. Stock depth, and a kick out to the rear.

A great way to test a pan design is to fill it with 5-qts of water and tilt it back and fourth. Hot oil will be fairly runny... so the trap doors need to really work. At 1G, picture the oil at a 45deg angle; the top baffle should extend inboard as far as possible, and not have openings along the outside edge which defeats its purpose. In fact the horizontal baffle should/can tilt downward toward the center to aid drainage and to further contain the sloshing oil.

If you're going to do a pan, do it right and you'll sell a lot more then the guys who sell these "half way there" solutions.

I was prepared to design and build my own but if someone comes out with a complete solution, I'm all over it


Modified by kb58 at 8:27 PM 2/19/2005