Haleiwa-Brando

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4-1-1

http://WWW.ITRSPORT.COM !!!!

4-1-1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Haleiwa-Brando &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well....that's pretty much the only site you need right there. Much more extensive than my write up. </TD></TR></TABLE> Sorry to spoil your fun.

Scratchin

wow..so loong
to writer even I didn't read it all
forgot the price tag?

jdm123

ask top fuel to post the video and then you will get your answers bettween the difference of a R and gsr

Chris F

Note to theives: Make sure you strip all of the above parts.

You forgot one thing...

1) ITR &gt; All
2) GSR !&gt; All

mugenracer

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Haleiwa-Brando &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Type R Gear Ratios (pre 98')----------------GS-R Gear Ratios
1st. 3.230------------------------------------1st. 3.230
2nd. 2.105------------------------------------2nd. 1.900
3rd. 1.458-------------------------------------3rd. 1.360
4th. 1.107-------------------------------------4th. 1.034
5th. 0.848-------------------------------------5th. 0.787
FINAL: 4.400-----------------------------------FINAL: 4.400

**Because of the shorter gears of the Type R tranny, the engine is always in VTEC. This is not the case in the GSR.**

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I have to disagree with the point in bold I had a JDM Si-VTEC (JDM GSR) prior to buying my 96Spec ITR and due to the VTEC x-over being set at 4400rpm on the GSR (Si) It was virtually impossible for it to drop out of VTEC between gear changes....I have read where some US GSR owners said that it would drop out of the secondaries being open (5800rpm) at times between gear shifts (even though i never experienced that) but it never dropped out of VTEC unless you were a complete ham fisted fool and couldnt shift for ****.

I'd even go as far as saying it is easier to drop out of vtec in a typeR between shifts than it is in a GSR/Si

mugenracer

The JDM GSR is more or less the same car as the USDM GSR in that it has a B18C dual intake manifold motor. Both have vtec x-over at 4400rpm and both have secondary intake runners opening at 5800rpm. The GSR make 170bhp and the Si makes 178bhp due to JDM 100ron fuel and 10.6 compression, but in real money and with regular 95 octane fuel both cars are identical as they have identical gear ratios, so your retort is also in vain!

If you were to post that GSR's fall out of vtec in the Integra forum, you'll get the same reply....and i stand by what i said, it would be easier for an ITR to fall out of VTEC than a GSR.





Modified by mugenracer at 7:33 PM 9/28/2004

mugenracer

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Haleiwa-Brando &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats cool. I don't want to turn this topic into an arguement. I want it to help people. I'm only quoting Honda. If you would like to tell them they are wrong that's cool with me. The bold type will stay until someone can prove it with facts. Thanks for the posts. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I have owned both a JDM Si and JDM ITR (and most will tell you that in real terms theres very very little difference performance between USDM and JDM) and i can say for a fact that if you cant shift gear at 8200rpm and manage to keep it above 4400rpm till you engage the next gear then your better of with an auto tranny. I'm not trying to argue either, i'm just giving you my findings from having owned both cars..

Redline96LX

NOTE TO ALL NEWBIES:

When asking about Integra BRAKES

ITR has a certain type of Brakes (5 lug, 11.1 front, 10.2 rear)
GSR has a different kind, the SAME EXACT kind (rotors, pads, front and rear calipers) as ALL 94-01 Integras except the R. There all 10.3" and 9.4", front and rear respectivaly. Please ignore all "GSR hubs for sale" as LS hubs or GS hubs for brakes are the same. Just a note to all that GSR calipers, rotors, and pads are interchangable with hubs of any non Type-r 3rd generation integra, only side note being that the RS did not have ABS. So for HUBS, RS and GSR arent identical, but the GSR does not have beefed up calipers or pads, contrary to any believes. Hope this helps some.

cheezthis

GSR does NOT fall out of VTEC, only the secondaries on the IM. Brando, I think you're misquoting Honda or something

Also, the GSR intake is IN the fenderwell, just has a different angle than the ITR.

six_speed

90-01 integra has 10.2 fronts and 9.1 rears.

also

power to weight ratio

1997 stats

Type-R 195 130 2600 0.075
GSR 2dr 170 128 2667 0.063742
GSR 4dr 170 128 2764 0.061505
LS 2dr 140 125 2643/85 0.05297
LS 4dr 140 125 2703/42 0.051794
GS 4dr 140 125 2722/64 0.05143277
GS 2dr 140 125 2636/80 0.053110773
RS 2dr 140 125 2529/70 0.055357848

gsr +/- 2lbs from 94-01

itrsport.com

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I like you listed the differences, Haleiwa-Brando. It is a convienient quick reference.

itrsport.com

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Humping_dragon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">90-01 integra has 10.2 fronts and 9.1 rears.

also

power to weight ratio

1997 stats

Type-R 195 130 2600 0.075
GSR 2dr 170 128 2667 0.063742
GSR 4dr 170 128 2764 0.061505
LS 2dr 140 125 2643/85 0.05297
LS 4dr 140 125 2703/42 0.051794
GS 4dr 140 125 2722/64 0.05143277
GS 2dr 140 125 2636/80 0.053110773
RS 2dr 140 125 2529/70 0.055357848

gsr +/- 2lbs from 94-01
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Actually it's 142 HP.

TrivialChow

Thanks.

letmeseeyouskip

thank you

-=Zeqs=-

iTrader: (1)

The B18C(5) holds 5 Quarts of motor oil? Not a typo? That sounds like a lot.

:jdmshmaydm:

ITR also has a third brakelight, and different sideskirts from GS-R.

Dogginator

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cheezthis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GSR does NOT fall out of VTEC, only the secondaries on the IM. Brando, I think you're misquoting Honda or something

Also, the GSR intake is IN the fenderwell, just has a different angle than the ITR. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The GSR air intake resonator is located in the RF fender well. However, the piping actually pulls air from behind the ABS unit under the hood. The ITR has a trumpet inlet in the fender well.

The ITR does not have forged pistons. They are slightly heavier than the GSR pistons, but have a higher compression ratio, as was indicated. Lightning Motorsports has a listing of the piston weights.
http://www.lightningmotorsports.com/techpiston.htm

The valve sizes for the ITR and GSR are identical. The exhaust valves are the exact same P/N. As was mentioned, the intake valves are lighter due to a narrower neck.

The GSR hase dual valve springs only on the intake side. The GSR intake valve springs are the same as the ITR exhause valve springs. The ITR dual intake vlave springs have an elliptical crosssection to allow for higher lift without binding.

What are "32)New Adjustable Connectors on Crank Shaft----------(GS-R - N/A)
"?

Bbasso

Question...

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Huh? maybe you made a mistake?

silver comet

good job. too bad the kind of people that usually ask that kind of question wont search for this thread.

Dogginator

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Haleiwa-Brando &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The attachment point of the connecting rods to the crankshaft uses a new, adjustable connector that allows the mechanics to manually adjust the connection using a micrometer so they can compensate for the stretching of the connecting rod bolt.

In order to increase compression ratio, the side molds of the pistons were increased. (Pent-Roof-type Piston) The inside was shaved to balance out the total weight, and the aluminum pistons were forged in order to retain precision.

Modified by Haleiwa-Brando at 9:41 AM 9/29/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is a good write-up. However, the ITR pistons look like they were cast and machined to achieve balance. They are certainly not forged, as they have sand casting marks. Forged pistons often confuse the knock sensors on engines. Was this your data source? http://www.superhonda.com/tech....html

Forged pistons (Toda)


ITR Pistons: Notice the sand casting marks on the face.


The acuraparts247.com site lists the GSR pistons as $64.47 and the ITR pistons as $44.85. This also goes against forging for the ITR pistons.

Regarding the adjustable crank connections, I see no such devices in the parts diagrams.

ImportAuto99

gsr's will not fall out of vtec if you shift at redline, even if you shift at 7000, you will still land above 4400 which IS the crossover for ALL Integra GSR's.

I think your mistaking vtec for intake butterflies.

R you serious

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Please note that this list pertains to the U.S. models only! This does not include the 98' and newer model Type R!

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Recaro Seats-------------------------------------------------+6.647kg
MOMO Small-Radius Steering Wheel'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''-0.700kg
Car Stereo & Antenna Removal (optional)''''''''''''''''''''''''''-5.665kg
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it seems petty to mention but since you made it so clear you were only talking about US models i thought id make sure you didnt make a mistake
and i dont think itr were ever given that stereo option from the dealer here.

ITR 2K

Someone just has too much time on their hands.