Todd00

http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=35870

Take a look at the Video when the gentleman who founded Spoon Sports (Ichishima Tatsuru) is discussing the suspension design of the DC5.

Please pay attention when he mentions the fact that you *should not* lower the car from its original ride height. I keep preaching this over and over, but it's good to have a professional tuner say the same thing (he's not the first, but his opinion should carry a lot of weight).

Note that he is talking about the DC5R, which is lowered about an inch from the USDM RSX/EP3. So as I've said time after time, the USDM RSX/EP3 can be lowered about an inch or so for optimal handling. There are more threads in the FAQ getting into why.

So if you're pointed to this thread, that means your car is too low
And even though you might think it handles well slammed, it doesn't. Period.

WhiteOnRice

Add this to the FAQ Todd!

nahonda04

good nfo to know for the future, for me anyways. this will help alot when i get my konis

DaveSi677

2 things..... NICE AND THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

Little_Nolan

iTrader: (3)

Awsome video Great info

square_1

My car is lowered 1.4 inches with Konis... I love it.


SLAMMED CARS SUCK!

jimmypol

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=35870

Take a look at the Video when the gentleman who founded Spoon Sports (Ichishima Tatsuru) is discussing the suspension design of the DC5.

Please pay attention when he mentions the fact that you *should not* lower the car from its original ride height. I keep preaching this over and over, but it's good to have a professional tuner say the same thing (he's not the first, but his opinion should carry a lot of weight).

Note that he is talking about the DC5R, which is lowered about an inch from the USDM RSX/EP3. So as I've said time after time, the USDM RSX/EP3 can be lowered about an inch or so for optimal handling. There are more threads in the FAQ getting into why.

So if you're pointed to this thread, that means your car is too low
And even though you might think it handles well slammed, it doesn't. Period.</TD></TR></TABLE>

http://www.vtec.net/articles/v...ber=1

Their own Opak/Spoon DC5R was much lower than stock, but its suspension was tweaked to accomodate the bad that comes from lowering these cars.

So, we can assume Ichishima meant to give the 'don't change the ride height' tip to the DC5 owners who probably daily their cars and take them to the track sporadically, since they probably won't do what's neccessary to actually get better handling from lowering them.

I'm not tring to sound like a wise guy, because everything I've read about this comes from you, the FAQ's, the forum, etc., but I guess that's the moral of the story...unless he now thinks (after years went by and experience with the chassis was gained) that you should never lower the height on a DC5R, not even for full race applications (which sounds unlikely). Do you think that's the case here?

Todd00

There is a link in the FAQ pointing to the Spoon Sports DC5R. Yes, it is lowered quite a bit more than a stock DC5R, but that's for a pure racing application. This is also a car circa 2002 when development was just starting.

If you do this, compromises need to be made and you need to re-engineer a few suspension bits. Therefore, this certainly won't make for a car that can be driven on the street. Heck, 6 degrees of negative camber in the front should be enough to make this obvious.

From the video, I took it as speaking in terms of the DC5 as a 'street/track' car. Therefore, his suggestions were geared toward that. I also took the suspension development comment to mean that he cancelled Spoon's street/track development. Pure race is a different story, but Spoon did quickly switch chassis to the Fit and TSX.

Also, the video is also a 2005 video. The Spoon DC5R race car pre-dates that, so he had a couple more years of development under his belt.

jimmypol

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is a link in the FAQ pointing to the Spoon Sports DC5R. Yes, it is lowered quite a bit more than a stock DC5R, but that's for a pure racing application. This is also a car circa 2002 when development was just starting.

If you do this, compromises need to be made and you need to re-engineer a few suspension bits. Therefore, this certainly won't make for a car that can be driven on the street. Heck, 6 degrees of negative camber in the front should be enough to make this obvious.

From the video, I took it as speaking in terms of the DC5 as a 'street/track' car. Therefore, his suggestions were geared toward that. I also took the suspension development comment to mean that he cancelled Spoon's street/track development. Pure race is a different story, but Spoon did quickly switch chassis to the Fit and TSX.

Also, the video is also a 2005 video. The Spoon DC5R race car pre-dates that, so he had a couple more years of development under his belt.</TD></TR></TABLE>

SlimDC5

What video is this from?

Todd00

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SlimDC5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What video is this from?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Best Motoring.

Not sure exactly what episode.

SlimDC5

Ok cuz i have the whole vtec club series, maybe it's in there

Type-Spaz

great video. I only lowered mine 1.4" so woohoo

DCFIVER

Its an old video and as you pointed out todd this was before the development of the race DC5. Many innovative pieces have come along that allow for much better handling when lowered however the 1.5 or so drop is still considered optimal for the RSX-S. Any lower is rice...

simonEp3

Great post, thanks for sharing

winman517

Yea Todd, great vid, wonder where you got it from!? LOL

eskribble

Kind of off topic but does anyone hav any info on the BuddyClub DC5R suspension set up?

I'd like to know what they're doing to make it handle so well.

Also thanks for the video

Todd00

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by winman517 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yea Todd, great vid, wonder where you got it from!? LOL</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep. Credit to winman517 for finding the video.

jimmypol

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DCFIVER &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its an old video and as you pointed out todd this was before the development of the race DC5. Many innovative pieces have come along that allow for much better handling when lowered however the 1.5 or so drop is still considered optimal for the RSX-S. Any lower is rice...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Is it me or you did get it backwards? The video was not released on 2002 when not much development was done to the chassis, it's the Spoon DC5R that was built in 2002.

The video is from 2005, and I'd say for this information to come out on 2005 when production ended in 2006, it came out when the chassis was well known.

Still agree with you though, the industry has built parts to make the car handle well, and lots of people already know the needed tricks, just pointing this out because I think you got our comments and dates backwards.

Todd00

Yeah, his comments are backwards.

The Spoon DC5 car was built around 2002.

This video is from 2005 when the DC5R got the revised suspension, like North America did.

You can make the DC5 handle well, you just have to fight the power of lowering it too much. This was also an issue with the 84-87 Civics and 86-89 Integras.

DCFIVER

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, his comments are backwards.

The Spoon DC5 car was built around 2002.

This video is from 2005 when the DC5R got the revised suspension, like North America did.

You can make the DC5 handle well, you just have to fight the power of lowering it too much. This was also an issue with the 84-87 Civics and 86-89 Integras.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yea that....

Pat_S

Random, but please bear with me. Is it true what they say about the A-Spec sussy being a Type-R sussy? Looks to be the same ride height.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This was also an issue with the 84-87 Civics and 86-89 Integras.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Didn't know it ever applied to the older cars also. Quite interesting.

Jnumb82

Good to know. Even better that it is coming from one of the OGs of the field AWSOME!

Davidss

Video is dead. This should be de-stickied.