Strength while achieving nice, proporionate looks... - Honda-Tech

Future. · 09-15-2008, 07:06 AM

Alright guys, this has been a serious problem for me lately.

Stats:

Height: Almost 6', 5'11 3/4ths maybe.
Weight: 165

Max Bench: 205
Max Squat: 255
Max Deadlift: 365
Max Shoulder Press: 130

This is my problem. I feel that 165 for 6' is a little light for my height. I was thinking of maybe adding a little more muscle, maybe get up to 175ish with low bf%. I was going to do Mark Rippetoes Starting Strength: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/...98224

Im not planning on doing any isolation lifts, all compound, full body. After i reach 175 i would switch back to crossfit to get rid of excess fat i may have put on, and to show more definition.

The thing im worried about is my looks, yes i am very vain. One: im worried that flat bench will create rounded pecs, my chest is already somewhat developed and im worried that i could overdevelop it during SS. I really dont want rounded, boob looking pecs. Two: im worried about squats, SS calls for squats 3x a week. My legs are not small right now, and again, im worried that they will blow up, which is not what i want. I know squats are necessary in building muscle, but i really dont want huge legs.

Basically, the physique im going for is a muscular body, low bf%, but lean, not huge, and bloated looking. I just thing that i need a little more muscle to achieve that, but im worried im going to overdevelop certain parts of my body that are already developed to an extent.

Comments, questions, suggestions?

These pics were from the beginning of summer, before i did crossfit. I have lost some BF since then.

**proportionate

blkmx5 · 09-15-2008, 01:29 PM

Im by no means an expert, but it takes a lot of focused effort, and serious amounts of food to blow up like you are talking about. If you keep your diet around your maintenence level and dont do a huge bulk you should continue to look like you do, ideally with a bit more muscle mass

goforbroke · 09-16-2008, 08:06 AM

I'm sorry to tell you this but even if gained 10lbs of pure muscle on a 6" frame putting you around 175lbs, your not going to have a huge chest or legs.

Future. · 09-16-2008, 09:24 AM

Yea, true. Ive decided that i probably do need more muscle for my frame. Im doing full-body stuff so its not like im going to grow in places that would look out of place (for my goals) Im not satisfied with myself in regards to app./strength anyways, so why not.

goforbroke · 09-16-2008, 10:13 AM

Your going to bigger overall on Rippetoes workout. You won't have the build of bodybuilder due to lack of size and that workout program so you don't have to worry about that. Full body workouts are some of the best workouts people can do, but too many people are stuck on doing a bodybuilder routine when their not bodybuilders. I think I understand the build your trying to accomplish, more along the lines of Ryan Reynolds, Jason Statham, Matthew McConaughey, and etc....

b20turboic · 09-16-2008, 11:50 AM

True dat

Im 5'6" 165 and cant say I look big even on my frame

huepowered · 09-16-2008, 12:11 PM

In order to gain more strength, you have to lift harder and eat more. Seems like you've got the dedication and work ethic to get there.

I'm going to have to say, gaining 10lbs of mass then going back to cross fit isn't going to do much for packing on more size. You'll probably end up back where you started. I'd shoot to hit 185-190 and then get back onto your crossfit training. It takes a lot more than you think to get huge and bloated looking.

I'm 175lbs 5'10". I don't look bloated / big at all.

jbiggsSE · 09-16-2008, 02:47 PM

You look bigger than me, but we're the exact same height and weight. wtfux genetics are gayz0rs. /rant

dFreezy · 09-16-2008, 07:31 PM

You sound a little paranoid about chest and legs and you'll probably be surprised how hard it would be to actually get to the point where they are too big and unproportional- especially at your height. There are more important things to be worried about.

Future. · 09-16-2008, 07:39 PM

Yea, youre right, thats just me though, i worry about shit way too much. Im gonna suck it up though, thanks.

goforbroke · 09-17-2008, 07:33 AM

I think at your height for you to start looking "stupid" as I refer to it. You would probably have to weigh around 240-250lbs area. Everyone carries weight differently though because I have seen some 6'0 dudes who weigh 210lbs and they look like beast. When your lean and shredded you take on the illusion of being bigger.

Also by the way it would take you years to take on the appearance of looking "stupid"

vtecvoodoo · 09-17-2008, 09:41 AM

I am hitting weights (3 days a week) and crossfit (2 days a week).

Future. · 09-19-2008, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goforbroke

I think I understand the build your trying to accomplish, more along the lines of Ryan Reynolds, Jason Statham, Matthew McConaughey, and etc....

Yea, thats pretty much the build i would like to have. Do you thinking gaining lbs. on SS then going back to crossfit will help me achieve something along those lines?

goforbroke · 09-19-2008, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Future.

Yea, thats pretty much the build i would like to have. Do you thinking gaining lbs. on SS then going back to crossfit will help me achieve something along those lines?

Yes, I believe its very attainable for you. Your diet better be in check though because those guys eat very clean. I was reading about Statham workout program before, if I remember correctly its really out of the ordinary kinda like cross fit.

Future. · 09-19-2008, 09:49 AM

Yea, what weight should i shoot for before going back to crossfit? Im around 160 right now.

goforbroke · 09-19-2008, 10:01 AM

I think you should shoot for 185-190lbs and then do cross fit. That a lot of weight, but you have the height and frame to fill out. If you haven't been lifting for a while you could possibly gain the weight in a year if you stuff your face. I'm talking about 4000 calories a day EVERYDAY.

corona · 09-21-2008, 08:17 PM

silly thread, imho.

you won't look bloated or huge by adding 10lbs. its also not like if you develop bigger legs than you want (unless you're a distance runner, i don't really see the downside to that)....it'll be irreversible. just slack on your legs for a little while and they'll be exactly how you want them.

like gfb, i say do rippetoes until you're at a solid 185+ and then cut.

White98LS · 09-22-2008, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by huepowered

I'm 175lbs 5'10". I don't look bloated / big at all.

Me too.

OP, chances are at 6' and 165lbs you're like me and don't put on weight very easily. You sound like you're worried about working out for a few weeks and then waking up one day with a huge, weird-looking body, when in reality it's going to take months of focused lifting and eating to even get to the 10lbs you're looking for. I wouldn't worry about it at all - 10lbs will be noticeable, but you won't be anywhere near disproportionate.

Future. · 09-22-2008, 12:31 PM

I appreciate the help guys.

Is there any way i could add a deltoid exercise, or is the MP and power cleans, etc enough? My delts are really lacking right now compared to my traps, it could just be genetics but im not sure.

corona · 09-22-2008, 07:43 PM

just from doing all the reading, i know if you asked mark rippetoe, he'd say the workout as is...is enough. don't go adding anything because you think its lacking.

Future. · 09-22-2008, 09:09 PM

Yea, thats true, thanks.

Alright, hopefully the last question:

See how his chest is thick all the way through, while mine are more like seperate pecs, if that makes sense. Do you guys think SS will help with that? Or would i have to do a bb routine?

daklown · 09-22-2008, 10:43 PM

genetics.

only thing to do is get bigger and see how it turns out but if you got the short end of the stick from mom and dad, then thats just the way it is.

cain on here has had trouble with his chest...

people think you can "spot treat" shit and its just not possible. Otherwise I wouldnt have a 3 finger gap on my flat biceps.

but your chest looks proportionate to your size and looks like your shape is fine, i wouldnt worry about it just get bigger.

jbiggsSE · 09-23-2008, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daklown

genetics.

only thing to do is get bigger and see how it turns out but if you got the short end of the stick from mom and dad, then thats just the way it is.

cain on here has had trouble with his chest...

people think you can "spot treat" shit and its just not possible. Otherwise I wouldnt have a 3 finger gap on my flat biceps.

but your chest looks proportionate to your size and looks like your shape is fine, i wouldnt worry about it just get bigger.

wtfux?1?!

goforbroke · 09-23-2008, 07:38 PM

Thats genetics man. I thought it was funny how you could see the gynecomastia on Leonidas during certain angles of the movie. You would of figured they would of taken care of that during production.

Look at random chest/pecs on bodybuilders nobody is built the same. Arnold had pecs that belonged on a porn star, while Phil Heath chest is realtively small compared to the rest of his body or maybe his damn arms are to big. It all genetics man were all dealt certain cards but its what we do with them that seperates us from the pack.

09-15-2008, 07:06 AM	#1
Future. GO HOKIES!! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NorVa Posts: 3,652	Strength while achieving nice, proportionate looks... Alright guys, this has been a serious problem for me lately. Stats: Height: Almost 6', 5'11 3/4ths maybe. Weight: 165 Max Bench: 205 Max Squat: 255 Max Deadlift: 365 Max Shoulder Press: 130 This is my problem. I feel that 165 for 6' is a little light for my height. I was thinking of maybe adding a little more muscle, maybe get up to 175ish with low bf%. I was going to do Mark Rippetoes Starting Strength: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/...98224 Im not planning on doing any isolation lifts, all compound, full body. After i reach 175 i would switch back to crossfit to get rid of excess fat i may have put on, and to show more definition. The thing im worried about is my looks, yes i am very vain. One: im worried that flat bench will create rounded pecs, my chest is already somewhat developed and im worried that i could overdevelop it during SS. I really dont want rounded, boob looking pecs. Two: im worried about squats, SS calls for squats 3x a week. My legs are not small right now, and again, im worried that they will blow up, which is not what i want. I know squats are necessary in building muscle, but i really dont want huge legs. Basically, the physique im going for is a muscular body, low bf%, but lean, not huge, and bloated looking. I just thing that i need a little more muscle to achieve that, but im worried im going to overdevelop certain parts of my body that are already developed to an extent. Comments, questions, suggestions? These pics were from the beginning of summer, before i did crossfit. I have lost some BF since then. proportionate __________________ 06 Civic EX 4dr - Stock "In life, it's not what you go through; it's what you get through."** Like sports? Visit http://www.postgamepub.com and register today.

09-16-2008, 08:06 AM	#3
goforbroke Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Killadelphia, PA, United States Posts: 5,390	Re: Strength while achieving nice, proportionate looks... (Future.) I'm sorry to tell you this but even if gained 10lbs of pure muscle on a 6" frame putting you around 175lbs, your not going to have a huge chest or legs. __________________ <U>Destroy everything,obliterate what makes us weak</U> Give them nothing, but take everything.

09-16-2008, 09:24 AM	#4
Future. GO HOKIES!! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NorVa Posts: 3,652	Re: Strength while achieving nice, proportionate looks... (goforbroke) Yea, true. Ive decided that i probably do need more muscle for my frame. Im doing full-body stuff so its not like im going to grow in places that would look out of place (for my goals) Im not satisfied with myself in regards to app./strength anyways, so why not. __________________ 06 Civic EX 4dr - Stock "In life, it's not what you go through; it's what you get through." Like sports? Visit http://www.postgamepub.com and register today.

09-16-2008, 10:13 AM	#5
goforbroke Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Killadelphia, PA, United States Posts: 5,390	Re: Strength while achieving nice, proportionate looks... (Future.) Your going to bigger overall on Rippetoes workout. You won't have the build of bodybuilder due to lack of size and that workout program so you don't have to worry about that. Full body workouts are some of the best workouts people can do, but too many people are stuck on doing a bodybuilder routine when their not bodybuilders. I think I understand the build your trying to accomplish, more along the lines of Ryan Reynolds, Jason Statham, Matthew McConaughey, and etc.... __________________ <U>Destroy everything,obliterate what makes us weak</U> Give them nothing, but take everything.

09-16-2008, 11:50 AM	#6
b20turboic Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Gbg, Pa, USA Posts: 692	Re: Strength while achieving nice, proportionate looks... (goforbroke) True dat Im 5'6" 165 and cant say I look big even on my frame __________________ 08 Ridgeline 08 CBR 1000RR

09-15-2008, 01:29 PM	#2
blkmx5 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: East Bay, ca, USA Posts: 65	Im by no means an expert, but it takes a lot of focused effort, and serious amounts of food to blow up like you are talking about. If you keep your diet around your maintenence level and dont do a huge bulk you should continue to look like you do, ideally with a bit more muscle mass

09-16-2008, 12:11 PM	#7
huepowered Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: boston, ma, usa Posts: 716	Re: Strength while achieving nice, proportionate looks... (Future.) In order to gain more strength, you have to lift harder and eat more. Seems like you've got the dedication and work ethic to get there. I'm going to have to say, gaining 10lbs of mass then going back to cross fit isn't going to do much for packing on more size. You'll probably end up back where you started. I'd shoot to hit 185-190 and then get back onto your crossfit training. It takes a lot more than you think to get huge and bloated looking. I'm 175lbs 5'10". I don't look bloated / big at all. __________________ http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emsmile.gif

09-16-2008, 02:47 PM	#8
jbiggsSE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA Posts: 5,065	You look bigger than me, but we're the exact same height and weight. wtfux genetics are gayz0rs. /rant

09-16-2008, 07:31 PM	#9
dFreezy Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 7,933	Re: (jbiggsSE) You sound a little paranoid about chest and legs and you'll probably be surprised how hard it would be to actually get to the point where they are too big and unproportional- especially at your height. There are more important things to be worried about. __________________ few h-t vouches VT Hokie for life.

09-16-2008, 07:39 PM	#10
Future. GO HOKIES!! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NorVa Posts: 3,652	Re: (dFreezy) Yea, youre right, thats just me though, i worry about shit way too much. Im gonna suck it up though, thanks. __________________ 06 Civic EX 4dr - Stock "In life, it's not what you go through; it's what you get through." Like sports? Visit http://www.postgamepub.com and register today.

09-17-2008, 07:33 AM	#11
goforbroke Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Killadelphia, PA, United States Posts: 5,390	Re: (Future.) I think at your height for you to start looking "stupid" as I refer to it. You would probably have to weigh around 240-250lbs area. Everyone carries weight differently though because I have seen some 6'0 dudes who weigh 210lbs and they look like beast. When your lean and shredded you take on the illusion of being bigger. Also by the way it would take you years to take on the appearance of looking "stupid" __________________ <U>Destroy everything,obliterate what makes us weak</U> Give them nothing, but take everything.

09-17-2008, 09:41 AM	#12
vtecvoodoo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: SoCal Redneck Posts: 23,696	Re: (Future.) I am hitting weights (3 days a week) and crossfit (2 days a week). __________________ fs: New Ground Control Coilovers w/ custom rates-$315 shipped!!! fs: New Ground Control Top Hats for $125 shipped!!!! Eibach Springs-Horsepower for the turns

09-19-2008, 09:49 AM	#15
Future. GO HOKIES!! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NorVa Posts: 3,652	Re: Strength while achieving nice, proportionate looks... (goforbroke) Yea, what weight should i shoot for before going back to crossfit? Im around 160 right now. __________________ 06 Civic EX 4dr - Stock "In life, it's not what you go through; it's what you get through." Like sports? Visit http://www.postgamepub.com and register today.

09-19-2008, 10:01 AM	#16
goforbroke Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Killadelphia, PA, United States Posts: 5,390	Re: Strength while achieving nice, proportionate looks... (Future.) I think you should shoot for 185-190lbs and then do cross fit. That a lot of weight, but you have the height and frame to fill out. If you haven't been lifting for a while you could possibly gain the weight in a year if you stuff your face. I'm talking about 4000 calories a day EVERYDAY. __________________ <U>Destroy everything,obliterate what makes us weak</U> Give them nothing, but take everything.

09-21-2008, 08:17 PM	#17
corona Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: boulder, co, united states Posts: 6,185	silly thread, imho. you won't look bloated or huge by adding 10lbs. its also not like if you develop bigger legs than you want (unless you're a distance runner, i don't really see the downside to that)....it'll be irreversible. just slack on your legs for a little while and they'll be exactly how you want them. like gfb, i say do rippetoes until you're at a solid 185+ and then cut.

09-22-2008, 12:31 PM	#19
Future. GO HOKIES!! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NorVa Posts: 3,652	Re: Strength while achieving nice, proportionate looks... (White98LS) I appreciate the help guys. Is there any way i could add a deltoid exercise, or is the MP and power cleans, etc enough? My delts are really lacking right now compared to my traps, it could just be genetics but im not sure. __________________ 06 Civic EX 4dr - Stock "In life, it's not what you go through; it's what you get through." Like sports? Visit http://www.postgamepub.com and register today.

09-22-2008, 07:43 PM	#20
corona Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: boulder, co, united states Posts: 6,185	just from doing all the reading, i know if you asked mark rippetoe, he'd say the workout as is...is enough. don't go adding anything because you think its lacking.

09-22-2008, 09:09 PM	#21
Future. GO HOKIES!! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NorVa Posts: 3,652	Re: (corona) Yea, thats true, thanks. Alright, hopefully the last question: See how his chest is thick all the way through, while mine are more like seperate pecs, if that makes sense. Do you guys think SS will help with that? Or would i have to do a bb routine? __________________ 06 Civic EX 4dr - Stock "In life, it's not what you go through; it's what you get through." Like sports? Visit http://www.postgamepub.com and register today.

09-22-2008, 10:43 PM	#22
daklown that's what she said Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bulking to, 260 lbs Posts: 3,855	Re: (Future.) genetics. only thing to do is get bigger and see how it turns out but if you got the short end of the stick from mom and dad, then thats just the way it is. cain on here has had trouble with his chest... people think you can "spot treat" shit and its just not possible. Otherwise I wouldnt have a 3 finger gap on my flat biceps. but your chest looks proportionate to your size and looks like your shape is fine, i wouldnt worry about it just get bigger. __________________ ISK#Econ/Math/Lifting Nerd

09-23-2008, 07:38 PM	#24
goforbroke Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Killadelphia, PA, United States Posts: 5,390	Re: (jbiggsSE) Thats genetics man. I thought it was funny how you could see the gynecomastia on Leonidas during certain angles of the movie. You would of figured they would of taken care of that during production. Look at random chest/pecs on bodybuilders nobody is built the same. Arnold had pecs that belonged on a porn star, while Phil Heath chest is realtively small compared to the rest of his body or maybe his damn arms are to big. It all genetics man were all dealt certain cards but its what we do with them that seperates us from the pack. __________________ <U>Destroy everything,obliterate what makes us weak</U> Give them nothing, but take everything.