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IMO it's never going to change in the sense of a reversal. Maybe a few states will change status.The only type of change I do see happening is an increase in Democratic states. I'm actually surprised that the South is predominantly Republican, considering they're the poorest and would expect the Democrats to take care of them more. Oh that's right, the only ones that vote down there are Republican  which I do believe is going to change slightly now that Obama is running. Anyone who is anyone will vote this year because Obama>All and its time for a change 
The American population is so retarded. They hear the word "change" and get all excited but don't know what that change is supposed to be. Not happy with the Republican Congress....let's vote for the Dems, they have to be better. Wrong-Lewie
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| Quote, originally posted by HBK » | | I'm actually surprised that the South is predominantly Republican, considering they're the poorest and would expect the Democrats to take care of them more. |
I was talking to my co-worker about that and he felt it had something to do with slavery long ago and hasn't changed much over the years. I don't know why. Pretty ignorant on the subject. I tried looking for a similar map that showed how the country changed over the years but came up empty.
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Mark sans
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Yes it will change, kids. There are a host of factors that drive what party a state will vote for, not the least of which is what that party purports to believe in. The existing voting blocs really aren't even all that old. The key is to look at major elections where there weren't significant outside factors. Here's some I pulled off wiki:1960: Kennedy beats Nixon -- GOP takes the West, including CA (Nixon's home state). GOP also takes most of New England, a big part of the Rust Belt/upper South and Virginia (for the first time). The Dems take Texas and the Deep South.
 1948: Truman beats Dewey -- the year of the famous misprint showing Dewey as the winner! GOP only takes a handful of midwest states, OR -- and almost the entire Eastern Seaboard! That's very different from the map today. Three things of note: 1. That is the last time the Northeast votes GOP as a bloc. 2. The last time CA votes against the Northeast (barring "homer" elections involving locals). 3. Dewey, the GOP candidate, had with him on the ticket as VP Earl Warren -- who later was Chief Justice of the most "activist" Supreme Court EVER.
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Thats great info. Can you post the wiki link? I'm interested in seeing how things change over time. What factors are involved that will influence whether a state votes R/D?
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| « Re: Geopolitcal? (Mark sans) | « » 6:09 PM 7/22/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Mark sans » | | Yes it will change, kids. |
Interesting point. We have to look at the internal politics of the states as a whole. Take Ohio. When G.W. ran for office both times, The Ohio House was Republican, the Ohio Senate was Republican (both by wide margins), ALL State-wide office holders: Governor, Secy. of State, Treasurer, Atty. General, Auditor were Republican and for that matter had been for at least the past 8 years. G.W. won Ohio both times. In the Mid West, Republicans (Presidential candidates) tend to win due to circumstances like these or due to conservative democrats in office. Since the 50s-60s California started to gradually become Liberal. Aside from Reagan do you see a conservative Republican ever winning California? Society changes- sure. Assuming society doesn't change.
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| Quote, originally posted by hu » | | We have to look at the internal politics of the states as a whole. Take Ohio. When G.W. ran for office both times, The Ohio House was Republican, the Ohio Senate was Republican (both by wide margins), ALL State-wide office holders: Governor, Secy. of State, Treasurer, Atty. General, Auditor were Republican and for that matter had been for at least the past 8 years. G.W. won Ohio both times. In the Mid West, Republicans (Presidential candidates) tend to win due to circumstances like these or due to conservative democrats in office. |
"Circumstances like these" is meaningless in the context you placed it in. If all major offices are dominiated by teh GOP, that isn't a circumstance. Some would say GW won Ohio because they might as well be the South -- backwards and losing out in business, but clinging to who they think will protect them. But I digress. I still don't get your point other than -- yes, a GOP controlled state will tend to vote GOP.| Quote, originally posted by hu » | | Since the 50s-60s California started to gradually become Liberal. Aside from Reagan do you see a conservative Republican ever winning California? Society changes- sure. Assuming society doesn't change. |
You've made that unanswerable by removing the ability of society to change. Sooper.The problem you have is that you don't distinguish "GOP" from "Conservative," even after I gave you the tools above (Warren vs. the DixieCrats). I hate to break it to you, but sometimes GOP = Liberal and Dem = Conservative.
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| Quote, originally posted by xtrac1 » | | Thats great info. Can you post the wiki link? I'm interested in seeing how things change over time. What factors are involved that will influence whether a state votes R/D?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U..._1956
You can use that to go foward or back. Note the realignments that used to occur every 40ish years.
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Thanks. Its interesting how the current landscape hasn't changed much since I first started voting, 1992. I wonder when the next shift is coming.
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