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Congress must still lift legislative ban before offshore drilling can start

Congress must still lift legislative ban before offshore drilling can start
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updated 11:47 a.m. ET, Mon., July. 14, 2008
WASHINGTON - In another push to deal with soaring gas prices, President Bush on Monday will lift an executive ban on offshore drilling that his stood since his father was president. But the move, by itself, will do nothing unless Congress acts as well.

The president plans to officially lift the ban and then explain his actions in a Rose Garden statement, White House press secretary Dana Perino said.

There are two prohibitions on offshore drilling, one imposed by Congress and another by executive order signed by former President Bush in 1990. The current president, trying to ease market tensions and boost supply, called last month for Congress to lift its prohibition before he did so himself.

But Perino said Bush no longer wants to wait. She pinned blame on the leaders of the Democratic Congress, noting that no action has been taken on this issue.

“They haven’t even held a single hearing,” Perino said. “So we are going to move forward, and hopefully that will spur action by the Congress.”

Asked if Bush’s action alone will lead to more oil drilling, Perino said, “In terms of allowing more exploration to go forward? No, it does not.”

The president, in his final months of office, has responded to record gas-prices with a series of proposals, including more oil exploration. None would have immediate impact on prices at the pump, according to White House officials, who say there is no quick fix. But starting action now would help, they say.

Bush’s proposal echoes a call by Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, to open the Continental Shelf for exploration.

Congressional Democrats have rejected the push to lift the drilling moratorium, accusing the president of hoping the U.S. can drill its way out a problem.


Bush says offshore drilling could yield up to 18 billion barrels of oil over time, although it would take years for production to start. Bush also says offshore drilling would take pressure off prices over time. In addition, the president has proposed opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for drilling, lifting restrictions on oil shale leasing in the Green River Basin of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming and easing the regulatory process to expand oil refining capacity.

Congressional Democrats, joined by some GOP lawmakers from coastal states, have opposed lifting the prohibition that has barred energy companies from waters along both the East and West coasts and in the eastern Gulf of Mexico. A succession of presidents, from Bush’s father — George H.W. Bush — to Bill Clinton, have sided against drilling in these waters, as has Congress each year for 27 years. Their goal has to been to protect beaches and coastal states’ tourism economies.





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Please tell me that Congress isn't this dumb. Why does anybody think that offshore drilling will solve anything????? Explain away please.

Explain so I can tell you that if the supply increases-- OPEC still sets the price and our domestic suppliers will still sell oil at OPEC prices. Its all about our oil companies making as much money as possible.




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Please tell me that Congress isn't this dumb. Why does anybody think that offshore drilling will solve anything????? Explain away please.

Explain so I can tell you that if the supply increases-- OPEC still sets the price and our domestic suppliers will still sell oil at OPEC prices. Its all about our oil companies making as much money as possible.

well you see most of america doesnt believe in education and since 90% of the population doesnt even know what OPEC is or much less what they do.

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Dick Cheney, Peak Oil and the Final Count Down
By Kjell Aleklett
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President of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil
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May 12, 2004


In the April 2004 issue of the magazine the Middle East I found a statement that Vice- President Dick Cheney had made in a speech at the London Institute of Petroleum Autumn lunch in 1999 when he was Chairman of Halliburton. A key passage from his speech was: “That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day.”

It suggested that he was fully aware of the issue of peak oil. A full text of the talk had been available on the website of the Institute of Petroleum, but has now been removed (wwww.petroleum.co.uk/speeches.htm). Nevertheless, further research did bring to light a printed version, dated 24.08.00, as follows:

Dick Cheney: “From the standpoint of the oil industry obviously - and I'll talk a little later on about gas - for over a hundred years we as an industry have had to deal with the pesky problem that once you find oil and pump it out of the ground you've got to turn around and find more or go out of business. Producing oil is obviously a self-depleting activity. Every year you've got to find and develop reserves equal to your output just to stand still, just to stay even. This is as true for companies as well in the broader economic sense it is for the world. A new merged company like Exxon-Mobil will have to secure over a billion and a half barrels of new oil equivalent reserves every year just to replace existing production. It's like making one hundred per cent interest; discovering another major field of some five hundred million barrels equivalent every four months or finding two Hibernias a year. For the world as a whole, oil companies are expected to keep finding and developing enough oil to offset our seventy one million plus barrel a day of oil depletion, but also to meet new demand. By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously in control of about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer greet oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greeter access there, progress continues to be slow. ( Bold by the auther)”

To understand the magnitude of the problem that Dick Cheney is addressing we can compare “fifty million barrels a day” with the total production coming from the six countries bordering the Persian Gulf (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, United Arab Emirates,

Kuwait and Qatar), that in 2001 produced 22,4 million barrels per day (Energy Information Administration).

Harry J. Longwell, director and executive Vice-President of ExxonMobil, later confirmed this number (World Energy, Vol5 No3, 2002): “The catch is that while demand increases, existing production declines. To put a number on it, we expect that by 2010 about half the daily volume needed to meet projected demand is not on production today – and that’s the challenge facing producers.”

Jon Thompson, President of ExxonMobil Exploration Company, has also confirmed the fact that the world needs this additional oil. He told the shareholders in 2003 that “In other words, by 2015, we will need to find, develop and produce a volume of new oil and gas that is equal to eight out of every 10 barrels being produced today.” In 2001 was the consumption 77.1 billion barrels per day (Energy Information Administration) and 80 percent of that is more than 60 million barrels per day.

The next question to ask is where the oil industry can find this huge amount of new oil. Let’s go back to the speech by Dick Cheney: “It is true that technology, privatisation and the opening up of a number of countries have created many new opportunities in areas around the world for various oil companies, but looking back to the early 1990's, expectations were that significant amounts of the world's new resources would come from such areas as the former Soviet Union and from China. Of course that didn't turn out quite as expected.”

Figure 1. Discovery and production in China


As the demand from China is said to be one of the reasons for the increasing price of crude oil, The Uppsala Hydrocarbon Depletion Study Group (UHDSG), models China’s production as indicated in Figure 1. Although there are conflicting reports, we think that the best number for remaining reserves in 2003 was 25.7 billions barrels. The peak of discovery was in 1960 and 73 percent of the discoveries were in giant fields. The evidence suggests that production in China peaked last year giving depletion rate of 3.7 percent. With China’s internal demand soaring, Cheney is right not to expect exports from China.

There is no doubt where Dick Cheney thinks the oil is to be found: “While many regions of the world offer greet oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies”.
At that time Cheney did not put a number to the expectation from the region. He was later appointed as Chairman of the National Energy Policy Development Group, and a first number was given. The report was handed to President Bush in May 2001 and includes the following statement from Dick Cheney: “As you directed us at the outset of your Administration, we have developed a national energy policy designed to help bring together business, government, local communities and citizens to promote dependable, affordable and environmentally sound energy for the future.”

In Chapter 8 of the National Energy Policy we get some hint of real numbers for the expected future production in the Middle East: “By 2020, Gulf oil producers are projected to supply between 54 and 67 percent of the world’s oil. Thus, the global economy will almost certainly continue to depend on the supply of oil from Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) members, particularly in the Gulf. This region will remain vital to U.S. interests”.

Figure 2. Data presented by Energy Information Administration, April 2004
In 2001, the Gulf countries produced 29 percent of the world’s oil, and the Energy Information Administration has now forecast production to 2025. The sum of the estimates in Figure 2 for the Gulf producers is 45 Mb/d (million barrels per day), which implies a 100 percent increase. Mahmoud M. Abdul Baqi and Nansen G. Saleri from Saudi Aramco gave a seminar at CSIS, Washington D.C. on February 2004. They discussed the future production capacity for Saudi Aramco and indicated that the goal is to have a future production capacity of 10 Mb/d. They indicated that it might be possible to increase to12 million barrels per day to meet a rise in world demand, but this is far short of the 22 Mb/d expected by Cheney. Even assuming that it has the physical ability to do so, it is difficult to see why Saudi Aramco should increase production to 22 Mb/d and thereby accelerate the depletion of the only resource the county has.
Figure 3. Data presented by Saudi Aramco.

Figure 4 is reproduced from “The peak and decline of world oil and gas production” by Aleklett and Campbell in Minerals & Energy (2003; 18: 5-20) As shown, we estimated that the peak of the oil production will come around year 2010. One reason was that we did not believe that the production from the Gulf States can reach 45 Mb/d.
Figure 4. The peak and decline of the world oil production

In short, these three steps, starting with the speech by Dick Cheney, take us to Peak Oil. Dick Cheney: ”The end of the oil era is not here yet, but changes are afoot and the industry must be ready to adapt to the new century and to the transformations that lie ahead.” Year 2010 lies ahead and we are soon there. This is the final countdown for peak oil.


OIL AND WAR
Dick Cheney in London 1999: “Oil is unique in that it is so strategic in nature. We are not talking about soapflakes or leisurewear here. Energy is truly fundamental to the world's economy. The Gulf War was a reflection of that reality.”
How about the war in Iraq?

More Statements by Dick Cheney in the IP speech

The speech by Dick Cheney is also very interesting from other aspects. First we can read his own opinion about himself: “I'm often asked why I left politics and went to Halliburton and I explain that I reached the point where I was mean-spirited, short-tempered and intolerant of those who disagreed with me and they said' Hell, you'd make a great CEO'.”
Many are shocked by the fact that Shell has been manipulating its reserve figures, but Cheney saw the pressures Shell was under – “to turn around and find more or go out of business- you understand how important oil reserves are. From the talk: “From the standpoint of the oil industry - and I'll talk a little later about gas -, but obviously for over a hundred years we as an industry have had to deal with the pesky problem that once you find oil and pump it out of the ground you've got to turn around and find more or go out of business. Producing oil is obviously a self-depleting activity. Every year you've got to find and develop reserves equal to your output just to stand still, just to stay even.”

One year before the presidential elections in US Dick Cheney thinks that the oil industry should have more power in Washington. Today we know the outcome: “Oil is the only large industry whose leverage has not been all that effective in the political arena. Textiles, electronics, agriculture all seem oftentimes to be more influential. Our constituency is not only oilmen from Louisiana and Texas, but software writers in Massachusetts and especially steel producers in Pennsylvania. I am struck that this industry is so strong technically and financially yet not as politically successful or influential as are often smaller industries. We need to earn credibility to have our views heard.”
BP has had a hard time to replace production with new discoveries and instead bought Russian reserves. Cheney also discussed that approach: “Companies that are finding it difficult to create new core areas through exploration are turning to production deals where they can develop reserves that are already known, but where the country doesn't have the capital or the technology to exploit them. In production deals there is less exploration risk but dealing with above ground political risk and commercial and environmental risk are increasing challenges. These include civil strife, transportation routes, labour issues, fiscal terms, sometimes even US-imposed economic sanctions.”
At the end of this paragraph he complains about the fact that there are “US-imposed economical sanctions”. Should we be surprised that the sanctions in Libya have been lifted?

The full text of Dick Cheney's speech at the Institute of Petroleum Autumn lunch, 1999, is a very important document and I hope that the Institute of Petroleum once again makes it available for anyone to read. Meanwhile a copy is available on request, Aleklett@tsl.uu.se.


References:
Is the world running out of oil? The Middle East, April 2004, Issue No 344, http://www.africasia.com/themi...D=325
Full text of Dick Cheney’s speech at the Institute of Petroleum Autumn lunch, 1999,
Was available on http://www.petroleum.co.uk/speeches.htm, 2004.08.24.
The Future of the Oil and Gas Industry: Past Approaches, New Challenges, Harry J. Longwell, World Energy, Vol5 No3, 2002
http://www.worldenergysource.c...3.pdf
A revolutionary transformation, Jon Thompson, The Lamp, Vol. 85 No.1, 2003
Uppsala Hydrocarbon Depletion Study Group, Uppsala University, Sweden, http://www.isv.uu.se/uhdsg.
International Energy Outlook 2004, Guy Catuso, 19 April 2004,
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/sp...4.ppt
Fifty-Year Crude Oil Supply Scenarios: Saudi Aramco’s Perspective, M.M. Abdul Baqi and N.G. Saleri, Future of Global Oil Supply : Saudi Arabia, Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), February 24, 2004, http://csis.org/energy/events.htm
The Peak and Decline of World Oil and Gas Production, K. Aleklett and C.J.Campbell, Minerals & Energy, 2003; 18:5-20

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well you see most of america doesnt believe in education and since 90% of the population doesnt even know what OPEC is or much less what they do.

republicians... what can you say

Shit... if this passes it will be because of the Democrats that are in control of both houses. Don't blame the Republicans. Democrats need to stand up for once. Lets see if they can do it . Lets see that backbone.



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hopefully anyone in congress with an understanding in economics will see this is not a solution to the problem at all. lets look at it. even if we get more oil today that could last us for 10 more years or 20 more years, that doesnt do anything to help prices because the end result is still going to be $20 per gallon please.

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hopefully anyone in congress with an understanding in economics will see this is not a solution to the problem at all. lets look at it. even if we get more oil today that could last us for 10 more years or 20 more years, that doesnt do anything to help prices because the end result is still going to be $20 per gallon please.

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GO big GREEN haha. but on the real the preist will pay for itself in 6-9 years i just hope the depreciation isnt horrible



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Shit... if this passes it will be because of the Democrats that are in control of both houses. Don't blame the Republicans. Democrats need to stand up for once. Lets see if they can do it . Lets see that backbone.

Let me just make sure I understand what you are saying here. Even though George W. Bush, John McSame, and the majority of Congressional Republicans are for it, and the majority of Congressional Democrats are against it, if it passes it will be... the Democrats fault?!





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Shit... if this passes it will be because of the Democrats that are in control of both houses. Don't blame the Republicans. Democrats need to stand up for once. Lets see if they can do it . Lets see that backbone.

Wait, most Republicans I talk to are quick to blame "Democrats"* for preventing offshore drilling. Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't?

*Democrats is in quotes because the ban has been in place for 27 years and the DNC has not controlled congress that entire time.

The only way I want to see offshore drilling allowed is if we tie some kind of price structuring to it to keep gas inflated and not fall into the same trap we are in right now. We need to move this country away from being so dependent on oil and if we increase the price of the oil we're using, other technologies become very attractive.




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hopefully anyone in congress with an understanding in economics will see this is not a solution to the problem at all. lets look at it. even if we get more oil today that could last us for 10 more years or 20 more years, that doesnt do anything to help prices because the end result is still going to be $20 per gallon please.

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So what's the argument against offshore drilling? It's not going to solve the problem now but will it help us down the road? Why can't we pursue this in addition to other measures?



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If anyone understood the cost of exploration and extraction you'd know that it isn't profitable to "go looking" if the price isn't at LEAST $60 a barrel.

Furthermore, whomever said OPEC sets oil prices needs to do a little research. What OPEC controls is production from OPEC countries. This may in some small way affect prices but not as much as the futures market does from anything that can be deduced as relating to the industry itself in any way, shape or form.

Now of course this isn't going to bring any relief right away but why not make use of the resources we have?



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So what's the argument against offshore drilling? It's not going to solve the problem now but will it help us down the road? Why can't we pursue this in addition to other measures?
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If anyone understood the cost of exploration and extraction you'd know that it isn't profitable to "go looking" if the price isn't at LEAST $60 a barrel.

Furthermore, whomever said OPEC sets oil prices needs to do a little research. What OPEC controls is production from OPEC countries. This may in some small way affect prices but not as much as the futures market does from anything that can be deduced as relating to the industry itself in any way, shape or form.

Now of course this isn't going to bring any relief right away but why not make use of the resources we have?


As I understand it, the arguments against offshore drilling are that 1) the oil companies don't need more places to drill as they already have something like 60 million acres of oil leases where they aren't drilling right now, 2) there are other places further offshore or elsewhere around the world where they could drill, 3) it is neither particularly cheap nor easy to drill offshore given the relatively high cost of building, staffing, maintaining, and supplying offshore rigs, and 4) even under the best of circumstances when offshore rigs follow good practices they still release a non-insignificant amount of crude into the ocean which hurts both the environment and the tourism economy in the affected areas, and of course a large spill could be catastrophic to both. Personally I would much rather see them drilling in ANWAR than off the coasts, or perhaps in the tens of millions of acres of oil leases they already own. This lifting of the ban by Bush is nothing more than a gift to his Big Oil friends and giving the middle finger to everyone else. IMHO, of course.





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1) A majority of the leases they already have are generally "puddles." Meaning they own the rights to drill but drilling would cost more than the proven reserves contained therein can sustain for profitability.

2) The second arguement reflects more of a NIMBY mentality than anything.

3) I covered that in my first post, the price per barrel or PPB has to be more than a given amount to make it profitable to develop these expensive drill sites.

4) Probably the best arguement for the opposition. It can and WILL happen again just as it did in California years ago. Which is exactly why it is banned.

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I actually remember going to the beach and having oil all over me as a kid. That sucked. My child will never go to a beach that has offshore rigs in the vicinity.

At the end of the day, there are unlikely to be large off shore reserves around most of the US. And certainly not enough to affect global oil markets. Will there be enough to make a few US oil companies that get sweetheart deals on leases from the government BIG bucks? Hells ya!

That's what this is about. Big Oil knows that right now, the American consumer is stupid enough to fall for this thinking it is going to make gasoline $3 again.



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Does OPEC Set Crude Oil Prices?
Frequently asked questions about crude oil
Frequently asked questions about OPEC
Frequently asked questions about the petroleum industryOne of the most common misconceptions about OPEC is that the Organization is responsible for setting crude oil prices. Although OPEC did in fact set crude oil prices from the early 1970s to the mid-1980s, this is no longer the case. It is true that OPEC's Member Countries do voluntary restrain their crude oil production in order to stabilize the oil market and avoid harmful and unnecessary price fluctuations, but this is not the same thing as setting prices.


In today's complex global markets, the price of crude oil is set by movements on the three major international petroleum exchanges, all of which have their own Web sites featuring information about oil prices. They are the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX, http://www.nymex.com), the International Petroleum Exchange in London (IPE, http://www.ipe.uk.com) and the Singapore International Monetary Exchange (SIMEX, http://www.simex.com.sg).


The Web sites of the Paris-based International Energy Agency (IEA, http://www.iea.org) and the US Energy Information Administration (EIA, http://www.eia.doe.gov), also have extensive historical information on oil prices.

Okay- Opec doesn't set prices directly but they do when they "slow" production or "increase" production hence affecting supply



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I actually remember going to the beach and having oil all over me as a kid.

You grew up in Alaska during the Exxon Valdez crisis

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I never thought I'd agree with something posted by hu, but stranger things have happened.

The results would be exponentially better increasing the CAFE by 10%, but really it should be increased about 40% immediately (so we can at least match Europe). That would decrease US demand by about 8 MBD, which is almost the entire output of Saudi Arabia.

But then, that wouldn't make anyone wealthier.


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Oh, and trust me...you don't want to be in the water near a rig. I watch a slick come by every couple of days and it really turns my stomach.

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How many of you swim 100 miles off shore anyways. This will help america by just starting to drill for oil on our own. The saudi arabia oil refinerys will drop prices the day we start more oil drilling and more oil refinerys. This country does not need to depend on other countrys for oil. HEll I like blowing $4.05 out my exhaust instead in my savings.

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Does OPEC Set Crude Oil Prices?
Frequently asked questions about crude oil
Frequently asked questions about OPEC
Frequently asked questions about the petroleum industryOne of the most common misconceptions about OPEC is that the Organization is responsible for setting crude oil prices. Although OPEC did in fact set crude oil prices from the early 1970s to the mid-1980s, this is no longer the case. It is true that OPEC's Member Countries do voluntary restrain their crude oil production in order to stabilize the oil market and avoid harmful and unnecessary price fluctuations, but this is not the same thing as setting prices.


In today's complex global markets, the price of crude oil is set by movements on the three major international petroleum exchanges, all of which have their own Web sites featuring information about oil prices. They are the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX, http://www.nymex.com), the International Petroleum Exchange in London (IPE, http://www.ipe.uk.com) and the Singapore International Monetary Exchange (SIMEX, http://www.simex.com.sg).


The Web sites of the Paris-based International Energy Agency (IEA, http://www.iea.org) and the US Energy Information Administration (EIA, http://www.eia.doe.gov), also have extensive historical information on oil prices.

Okay- Opec doesn't set prices directly but they do when they "slow" production or "increase" production hence affecting supply

Saudi Arabia, the OPEC leader, has already proven this year that they have lost ALL control of prices. They have increased production multiple times, yet prices still skyrocket.


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How many of you swim 100 miles off shore anyways.

Me personally? No. But i'm pretty sure there is something that swims there and I don't feel like killing it so I can drive to the Post Office.

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This will help america by just starting to drill for oil on our own.

By delaying the implementation of permanent, known technologies that could remove our dependence of oil? Yes, sounds like a great recipe for "helping america"

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The saudi arabia oil refinerys will drop prices the day we start more oil drilling and more oil refinerys.

If by "prices" you mean "production" then yes, you'd be right. And I really doubt Saudi Arabia is scared of us building more refineries considering those refineries just allow us to process more of their oil. That's like saying the price of gas will drop because the demand is higher.

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This country does not need to depend on other countrys for oil.

Unless we drastically change how much we use.. yes, yes we do. We can't drill our way out of this.

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How many of you swim 100 miles off shore anyways. This will help america by just starting to drill for oil on our own. The saudi arabia oil refinerys will drop prices the day we start more oil drilling and more oil refinerys. This country does not need to depend on other countrys for oil. HEll I like blowing $4.05 out my exhaust instead in my savings.

finding or producing more oil now will only delay how much we pay for it later. in the end there probably wont be oil in the next 50 years



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Saudi Arabia, the OPEC leader, has already proven this year that they have lost ALL control of prices. They have increased production multiple times, yet prices still skyrocket.

But other countries cut their production to match the same number that SA increases it.



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