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This is expected to come up after the 4th of July break and the current inside word is that it will pass with ease. And yes I know it doesn't make a direct declaration of war but all it takes is a little reading between the lines (and by little I mean essentially none) to see exactly where this is going. This bill is nothing more than a cattle prod to get Iran to do something we deem "stupid" so we can commence full fledge war against them.


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Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That Congress--

(1) declares that preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapons capability, through all appropriate economic, political, and diplomatic means, is vital to the national security interests of the United States and must be dealt with urgently;

(2) urges the President, in the strongest of terms, to immediately use his existing authority to impose sanctions on--

(A) the Central Bank of Iran and any other Iranian bank engaged in proliferation activities or the support of terrorist groups;

(B) international banks which continue to conduct financial transactions with proscribed Iranian banks;

(C) energy companies that have invested $20,000,000 or more in the Iranian petroleum or natural gas sector in any given year since the enactment of the Iran Sanctions Act of 1996; and

(D) all companies which continue to do business with Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps;

(3) demands that the President initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political, and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by, inter alia, prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran's nuclear program; and

(4) urges the President to lead a sustained, serious, and forceful effort at regional diplomacy to support the legitimate governments in the region against Iranian efforts to destabilize them, to reassure our friends and allies that the United States supports them in their resistance to Iranian efforts at hegemony, and to make clear to the Government of Iran that the United States will protect America's vital national security interests in the Middle East.


< sending a letter to his Rep as we speak.






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I wouldn't bet on a war.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/....html

From the right-hand man of the guy who runs THE show.

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Ali Akbar Velayati, the foreign policy adviser of Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khameni, told a newspaper that it would be in Iran's interest to accept the package because the Bush administration wants Iran to reject it.

"Europeans say it is possible to get results through talks. The Americans are looking for an excuse to force their point of view and then say, 'We told you there is no point in talking with Iran,'" Velayati said.

"Currently the Americans and those who act against our interests want us to reject the proposals. This makes it clear that acceptance is to our advantage," he added.


They are far smarter than Saddam was about the same exact ruse.



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For those of you who don't know how this works...it was only INTRODUCED. That is all. It still has to be debated.

"This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced bills go first to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills never make it out of committee. Keep in mind that sometimes the text of one bill is incorporated into another bill, and in those cases the original bill, as it would appear here, would seem to be abandoned."

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SRES 580 IS

110th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. RES. 580

Expressing the sense of the Senate on preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapons capability.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

June 2, 2008

Mr. BAYH (for himself, Mr. THUNE, and Mr. SMITH) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations

RESOLUTION

Expressing the sense of the Senate on preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapons capability.

Whereas Iran is a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, done at Washington, London, and Moscow July 1, 1968, and entered into force March 5, 1970 (commonly referred to as the `Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty') and, by ratifying the Treaty, has foresworn the acquisition of nuclear weapons;

Whereas Iran is legally bound to declare all its nuclear activity to the International Atomic Energy Agency and to place such activity under the constant monitoring of the Agency;

Whereas for nearly 20 years Iran had a covert nuclear program, until the program was revealed by an opposition group in Iran in 2002;

Whereas the International Atomic Energy Agency has confirmed that the Government of Iran has engaged in such covert nuclear activities as the illicit importation of uranium hexafluoride, the construction of a uranium enrichment facility, experimentation with plutonium, the importation of centrifuge technology and the construction of centrifuges, and the importation of the design to convert highly enriched uranium gas into a metal and to shape it into the core of a nuclear weapon, as well as significant additional covert nuclear activities;

Whereas the Government of Iran continues to expand the number of centrifuges at its enrichment facility and to enrich uranium in defiance of 3 binding United Nations Security Council resolutions demanding that Iran suspend its uranium enrichment activities;

Whereas the Government of Iran has announced its intention to begin the installation of 6,000 advanced centrifuges, which, when operational, will dramatically reduce the time it will take Iran to enrich uranium;

Whereas the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate reports that the Government of Iran was secretly working on the design and manufacture of a nuclear warhead until at least 2003 and that Iran could have enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon as early as late 2009;

Whereas allowing the Government of Iran to obtain a nuclear weapons capability would pose a grave threat to international peace and security;

Whereas allowing the Government of Iran to obtain a nuclear weapons capability would fundamentally alter and destabilize the strategic balance of power in the Middle East;

Whereas, if it were allowed to obtain a nuclear weapons capability, the Government of Iran could share its nuclear technology, raising the frightening prospect that terrorist groups and rogue regimes might possess nuclear weapons capabilities;

Whereas allowing the Government of Iran to obtain a nuclear weapons capability would severely undermine the global nuclear nonproliferation regime that, for more than 4 decades, has contained the spread of nuclear weapons;

Whereas it is likely that one or more Arab states would respond to Iran obtaining a nuclear weapons capability by following Iran's example, and several Arab states have already announced their intentions to pursue `peaceful nuclear' programs;

Whereas the spread of nuclear weapons capabilities throughout the Middle East would make the proliferation of nuclear weapons elsewhere around the globe much more likely;

Whereas allowing the Government of Iran to obtain a nuclear weapons capability would directly threaten Europe and ultimately the United States because Iran already has missiles that can reach parts of Europe and is seeking to develop intercontinental ballistic missiles;

Whereas the Government of Iran has repeatedly called for the elimination of our ally, Israel;

Whereas the Government of Iran has advocated that the United States withdraw its presence from the Middle East;

Whereas the United Nations Security Council has passed 3 binding resolutions under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter that impose sanctions on Iran for its failure to comply with the mandatory demand of the Security Council to suspend all uranium enrichment activity;

Whereas the United States, the Russian Federation, the People's Republic of China, France, the United Kingdom, and Germany have offered to negotiate a significant package of economic, diplomatic, and security incentives if Iran complies with the Security Council's demands to suspend uranium enrichment;

Whereas the Government of Iran has consistently refused such offers;

Whereas, as a result of the failure of the Government of Iran to comply with the Security Council resolutions, the international community began taking steps in 2006 that have begun to have an impact on the economy of Iran, but the rapid development of nuclear weapons capabilities by the Government of Iran is outpacing the slowly increasing economic and diplomatic sanctions on Iran;

Whereas the Government of Iran has used its banking system, including the Central Bank of Iran, to support its proliferation efforts and to assist terrorist groups;

Whereas, as a result of that use of Iran's banking system, the Secretary of the Treasury has designated 4 large Iranian banks as proliferators and supporters of terrorism and restricted the ability of those banks to conduct international financial transactions in United States dollars; and

Whereas Iran must import around 40 percent of its daily requirements for refined petroleum products: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the Senate--

(1) declares that preventing the Government of Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapons capability, through all appropriate economic, political, and diplomatic means, is a matter of the highest importance to the national security of the United States and must be dealt with urgently;

(2) urges the President, in the strongest of terms, to immediately use the President's existing authority to impose sanctions on--

(A) the Central Bank of Iran and any other Iranian bank engaged in proliferation activities or support of terrorist groups;

(B) international banks that continue to conduct financial transactions with sanctioned Iranian banks;

(C) energy companies that have invested $20,000,000 or more in the petroleum or national gas sector of the economy of Iran in any given year since the date of the enactment of the Iran Sanctions Act of 1996 (Public Law 104-172; 50 U.S.C. 1701 note); and

(D) companies that continue to do business with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran;

(3) demands that the President lead an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the pressure on the Government of Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by, among other measures, banning the importation of refined petroleum products to Iran; and

(4) asserts that nothing in this resolution shall be construed to authorize the use of force against Iran.


The purpose of a resolution like this is to have a FORMAL consensus of Congress towards a given topic. THIS IS NOT A PREAMBLE TO WAR...READ THE LAST LINE OF THE RESOLUTION.

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The purpose of a resolution like this is to have a FORMAL consensus of Congress towards a given topic. THIS IS NOT A PREAMBLE TO WAR...READ THE LAST LINE OF THE RESOLUTION.

You should know better, Brock.

No you should know better considering this same type of BS was used in the years before we went into Iraq.

Not to mention these types of sanctions ARE an act of war in and of itself. How in do you expect them to impose the above policies of essentially shutting down Iran without using "force"? Do you think are going to send in a bunch of cuddly cute kittens to impose all of these regulations? Of course not. It will require a FORCE of some sort to impose it.



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No you should know better considering this same type of BS was used in the years before we went into Iraq.

Not to mention these types of sanctions ARE an act of war in and of itself. How in do you expect them to impose the above policies of essentially shutting down Iran without using "force"? Do you think are going to send in a bunch of cuddly cute kittens to impose all of these regulations? Of course not. It will require a FORCE of some sort to impose it.

Not really...it's been working for North Korea and a bullet has not been shot (shy of accidental discharges on either side).

Sanctions work. The international community is doing the same thing whereas in Iraq, the international community was on the fence...some members approved, some members didn't.

Again, that resolution is not a binding document that Congress/US Gov't HAS to follow...it's getting a consensus of how they feel....AND it brings it to debate so it can be discussed on the floor.





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Not really...it's been working for North Korea and a bullet has not been shot (shy of accidental discharges on either side).

Yeah it has worked great. North Korea is now a wonderful friend and bustling free society that was persuaded not to develop a nuclear weapons program due to our terrific sanctions.......oh wait a second.


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Sanctions work.

Yes sanctions work really well at harming/killing the innocent people in the target country while hardly ever achieving the originally intended goal.


And in the end that's beside the point. Our Constitution does NOT give our government the power to dictate to the rest of the world. That is not American in any sense of the word.





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Either way, I expect Amendenihijad to get the axe by the Supreme Leader before he writes a check too big for his ass to cash.

He knows its much harder to fight Americans in force as opposed to a single building full of mostly civilians.



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Sanctions work.

Estimates of the deaths caused by sanctions of Iraq range from 170,000 to 1 million. Most of them children. UNICEF puts the deaths of children at about 500,000.




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There are reports all over the Mainstream Media that Iran is in talks to discuss the EU's nuclear offer.

Let's not get carried away people, it's just not realistic (at least I hope).



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There are reports all over the Mainstream Media that Iran is in talks to discuss the EU's nuclear offer.

Let's not get carried away people, it's just not realistic (at least I hope).

Logically, your are correct, but you have to remember we are talking about the Bush administration here.




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