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| « Re: Obama using private funding, McCain public? (Superhatch) | « » 2:10 PM 6/13/2008 |
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No. If people voted on principle we wouldn't have the 2 candidates we have now. When McCain has lobbyists running his campaign, do you really think he can make a principle argument and be taken seriously?And of course McCain wants public funding. Obama has already proven how much money he can raise during the primary season and most of his donors aren't tapped out (advantage of having many small donors instead of a few large donors).
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| « Re: Obama using private funding, McCain public? (njn63) | « » 2:12 PM 6/19/2008 |
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Obama just rejected taking public funds today, while McCain probably has no other choice than to take public funds.So it looks like its going to be McCain's 85 million against Barack's 300 million +. It's kinda of interesting that the Conservative is relying on public funds for assistance (i.e. campaign welfare), while the Liberal is banking off the free market. Go free market!
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| « Re: Obama using private funding, McCain public? (Get-InsuranceQuotes) | « » 5:39 PM 6/19/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Get-InsuranceQuotes » | | Obama just rejected taking public funds today, while McCain probably has no other choice than to take public funds. So it looks like its going to be McCain's 85 million against Barack's 300 million +. It's kinda of interesting that the Conservative is relying on public funds for assistance (i.e. campaign welfare), while the Liberal is banking off the free market. Go free market! |
Yea, that's what I found astonishing. Free market - Obama...........ya don't say. I'm all for free market, but he went back on his word.
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| « Re: Obama using private funding, McCain public? (conesmasher) | « » 11:32 PM 6/19/2008 |
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I don't think it'll make any difference at all, as most Americans (myself included) don't understand the difference between public and private funding when it comes to an election. On top of that, if you're telling me that public funding is taking out tax dollars for a campaign, then it's more sickening then I thought. McCain isn't a conservative, and he'll take whatever funding he can get, because I know, as well as McCain knows, that he's getting STOMPED. As a conservative, I can't say I'm happy or unhappy about that, I'm just saying.....
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| « Re: Obama using private funding, McCain public? (Stealthmode Performance) | « » 5:37 AM 6/20/2008 |
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I'm surprised that McCain has run out of money so fast. Considering he was the only viable Republican candidate and that his main competition bowed out quite some time ago, he should've been smarter with his money.Or maybe he just wasn't able to generate enough from private donors. <shrug> It makes me sick that either of these two candidates is going to be the next POTUS.
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| « Re: Obama using private funding, McCain public? (Bishop Don Shizzle) | « » 9:11 AM 6/20/2008 |
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McCain has had a very hard time raising money. Even when he was the lone-GOP nominee, he didn't have the big business interests like Romney and Guiliani had behind him. He didn't have the Rapture Right like Huckleberry. You may recall that McCain was running on a shoestring through most of the winter. His campain was pretty much living day-to-day. He's been courting big GOP money, but they don't like him b/c they feel like he's not going to be as helpful as they want. Obama on the other hand is getting a little money from a lot of sources. He's got a HUGE advantage in fundraising. Does it matter? I doubt it. McCain can say that Obama flip-flopped on the issue (he did). Obama is saying the system is broken (I don't know about that). Obama can say that his flip is based on the fact that his campain is getting money the way a campain should -- from numerous individuals instead of special interests (it is). In the end though, I think Stealth hit it. Most people don't know how this works. And folks tend to have a bad reaction to finding out the government is funding a run (even in the usual alternative - corporate America is far worse). Honestly, I can't see someone casting a vote on this issue.
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| « Re: Obama using private funding, McCain public? (Mark sans) | « » 10:41 PM 6/20/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Mark sans » | | McCain has had a very hard time raising money. Even when he was the lone-GOP nominee, he didn't have the big business interests like Romney and Guiliani had behind him. He didn't have the Rapture Right like Huckleberry. You may recall that McCain was running on a shoestring through most of the winter. His campain was pretty much living day-to-day. He's been courting big GOP money, but they don't like him b/c they feel like he's not going to be as helpful as they want. Obama on the other hand is getting a little money from a lot of sources. He's got a HUGE advantage in fundraising. Does it matter? I doubt it. McCain can say that Obama flip-flopped on the issue (he did). Obama is saying the system is broken (I don't know about that). Obama can say that his flip is based on the fact that his campain is getting money the way a campain should -- from numerous individuals instead of special interests (it is). In the end though, I think Stealth hit it. Most people don't know how this works. And folks tend to have a bad reaction to finding out the government is funding a run (even in the usual alternative - corporate America is far worse). Honestly, I can't see someone casting a vote on this issue. |
In an America where many don't even care about politics period.........why would they care about this issue. It's amazing the spin that Obama has put on it though. Because public funding is funded $3 at a time on a tax return, while private funding is max of $3 per person. Both have a choice?
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| « Re: Obama using private funding, McCain public? (conesmasher) | « » 5:12 AM 6/21/2008 |
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You guys are underestimating the knee-jerk reaction of the average swing voter.Let ONE little add about him taking the funds after he said he wouldn't escape. God I can't believe some of you are this blind. The GOP machine destroyed a war veteran and a hero over a GOOD flip-flop. Seriously, hello? You guys awake? lol We're all going to lose though, either way. That sucks.
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| « Re: Obama using private funding, McCain public? (conesmasher) | « » 12:32 PM 6/23/2008 |
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Well if you think about, Obama's campaign is actually publicly funded, because it is the average American that is giving him small donations of $5 bucks or less and needlessly to say its adding up.There's a lot more to this than I care to explain, but Obama didn't go back on his word, though it may seem like it.
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| « Re: Obama using private funding, McCain public? (Get-InsuranceQuotes) | « » 5:56 PM 6/23/2008 |
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I agree. I also think that McCain wanted to get Obama to use public funding because he knows that Obama is going to blow him out of the water when it comes to fund raising.
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| « Re: Obama using private funding, McCain public? (Superhatch) | « » 7:09 AM 6/24/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Superhatch » | | I agree. I also think that McCain wanted to get Obama to use public funding because he knows that Obama is going to blow him out of the water when it comes to fund raising. |
The dude has raised more money than Nixon. He's fielding so many campaigns directed at so many people, I don't know. That may back fire. The system to keep campaign spending in parity was devised by the Dems and now they're going to shrug it off? lol
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| « Re: Obama using private funding, McCain public? (Knightsport) | « » 9:27 AM 6/24/2008 |
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Wasn't it the McCain/Feingold act (an R and a D) that really solidified the rules of public financing, as well as the rules of private financing as well?
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