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Wow... Big step. Think he'll create a third party? Those things never go to well...
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I'm still voting for him because I'm like an angry teenager that wants to prove a point about nonconformity by flushing my vote down the toilet.
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| Quote, originally posted by rclark » | | Wow... Big step. Think he'll create a third party? Those things never go to well... |
Nah i don't think thats the direction hes trying to go. Thats why i believe hes creating this organization. He knows creating a party and trying to win a presidency is impossible these days. Thats why i think he wants to start from the bottom up, so the more limited government, constitutionalists there are at the local levels then the better chance you have to get them elected at the state and federal level.
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Wow, the big dogs running H-T now really know how to pick their ads, don't they? :rolleyes:
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Anything to keep $$$ rolling into his pockets.... what a disgrace
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| Quote, originally posted by xiaogou » | | Anything to keep $$$ rolling into his pockets.... what a disgrace |
You suck.
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I forgot what a helpful presence you were to this forum. Can you go crawl back under your rock now?http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...shtml * * * Paul's granddaughter Valori Pyeatt helps organize fundraising receptions and has been paid $17,157. Another granddaughter, Laura Paul ($2,724), handles orders for Ron Paul merchandise. Grandson Matthew Pyeatt ($3,251) manages Paul's MySpace profile. Daughter Peggy Paul ($2,224) helps with campaign logistics. The candidate's sons Randall and Robert and his daughter Joy Paul LeBlanc have all been paid for campaign travel and for appearing as surrogates at political events. Who keeps track of all these finances? Paul's brother and daughter, naturally, who have been paid a combined $62,740 to handle the campaign's accounting. Campaign aides said they discussed the possibility that involving so many family members could create the impression that nepotism was driving hiring decisions, but ultimately they saw no problem with the practice. "You always think about those kinds of things," said Jesse Benton, Paul's spokesman and, it just so happens, the fiance of one of the candidate's granddaughters (he has been paid $54,573). "But his family is very important to him. There is something important about having a family element involved in a campaign. Having people around you that you can unconditionally trust." Paul has received relatively few votes in his insurgent bid for the Republican nomination, but he has attracted an extraordinarily dedicated following that has flooded his campaign coffers with more than $30 million in donations. Even after releasing a video on his Web site in March indicating that he no longer expected to win the Republican nomination, Paul has continued to collect and spend those riches. Most of the money has gone to typical campaign expenses such as television, radio and Internet ads, travel, and political advice from consultants and strategists. But unlike other presidential candidates, Paul has also made room on his payroll for his extended brood. There are no laws prohibiting candidates from hiring relatives, though the Federal Election Commission does require family members to be qualified for the job and be paid the going rate for their work. Melanie Sloan of the group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington said her organization has twice issued reports critical of the practice among members of Congress. "This was never intended to be a family business," Sloan said. "The reason this is troubling is that it's not clear to donors whether their campaign donations are really going to support the candidacy or to support the family." Sloan said this was not the first time Paul has hired relatives to perform campaign work on his behalf. The group found payments to daughter Lori Pyeatt during his three previous congressional races, and payments to grandson Matthew Pyeatt and daughter Joy LeBlanc during Paul's 2004 congressional campaign.
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| Quote, originally posted by Mark sans » | I forgot what a helpful presence you were to this forum. Can you go crawl back under your rock now?
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I'd rather discuss the new organization, and how its going to open American people's eyes, not bitch about how every politician and their mother collect money. It's pointless to the thread. *crawls back under rock*
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You've got to be kidding me. He's not doing it to hook up his family. There is no way on earth the effort he has put forth is worth the 20k he's paid family members for their services.
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| Quote, originally posted by xiaogou » | | Anything to keep $$$ rolling into his pockets.... what a disgrace |
You're right, he getting rich off of these campaigns. How can nobody else but you see it?
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| Quote, originally posted by The Notorious Frosty » | | You've got to be kidding me. He's not doing it to hook up his family. There is no way on earth the effort he has put forth is worth the 20k he's paid family members for their services. |
More like 80k but that wasn't the point. The act itself looks shady. Not that I believe he did anything wrong but I wouldn't have made that choice myself.
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For a guy that preaches against corruption you'd think he'd want to keep his nose undeniably clean. This probably wasn't illegal or shady but born out of an obvious trust issue but still.
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As a small business owner, when I look to pay someone to do something, I usually look to people I already know and trust. ::gasp:: call the cops. lol. You guys are petty. Please disregard the only real common sense answers because the guy paid people he trusted to do a job. As if we're talking millions here. haha. No wonder the political parties can put up such morons and get away with it...
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lol this thread went south.
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| Quote, originally posted by Stealthmode Performance » | | As a small business owner, when I look to pay someone to do something, I usually look to people I already know and trust. ::gasp:: call the cops. lol. You guys are petty. Please disregard the only real common sense answers because the guy paid people he trusted to do a job. As if we're talking millions here. haha. No wonder the political parties can put up such morons and get away with it... |
I am not a small business owners, but I occasionally have cause to retain outside consultants and other service providers. I look for expertise in the field, not trust. If I need a marketing consultant, I hire one that I think will do a good job for what I need. Trust isn't really a huge issue in that. Ditto event planners, accountants and the rest. Then again, perhaps it is all consistent with his views on government. Who needs professionals, right? Just get anyone off the street and they can do the job just fine. And, while you're at it, might as well keep it in the family... That's actually my biggest problem with anarcho-capitalism: people just aren't that smart.
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There's another term for that...the whole "I only trust family when I'm doing business"....oh yeah! IT'S CALLED THE MAFIA!!! You might have heard about them before. I believe there was a couple of television series about them before...not sure though.
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Someone's getting hired to promote/sustain your character. From what I'm hearing, you guys would hire suits you've never met before instead of your family or friends. lol. You do that and let me know how it works out for you. hahahhahahahahahaha With as many buddy deals going on in politics these days, you guys can't get over a guy who trusts his name to only those he knows? Try looking into all the politicians setting up their families with taxpayer dollars, setting up business partners with the same, or looking out for their own fortunes. And Ron Paul only trusts his name to someone in his family? haha. I needed that today.
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An average of only $14,800 per person for nearly an entire years worth of campaigning.....are you kidding me by bringing this up? Is that supposed to be a lot? Apparently I live in fairy land because to me that's not jack shit and actually sounds like Ron Paul was ripping off his family members considering he raised over $30 million dollars and only did so towards the very END of the campaign cycle. Answer me this geniuses: As everyone knows Ron Paul started out as a complete nobody and he is not very wealthy nor lobbyist/special interest backed so how in the heck do you expect somebody that starts out with hardly any cash compared to the other candidates to be able to magically pay all sorts of third party mega buck groups like Rudy, Romney, etc? It's coming to me now......maybe......just maybe he used his family because that's ALL HE COULD AFFORD AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS CAMPAIGN WHEN HE HAD NO MONEY.  If Ron Paul was some multi-millionaire with a crap ton of special interest cash dumped on him at the beginning of the campaign then yeah I could definitely see having a problem with him paying lots of members of his family with contribution money but when it's a freaking GRASS ROOTS candidate that NO special interest supports you'd have to be a moron to question his decision to use family members. /argument
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You got it wrong yo! Ron Paul is teh mafia!
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| Quote, originally posted by Stealthmode Performance » | | Someone's getting hired to promote/sustain your character. From what I'm hearing, you guys would hire suits you've never met before instead of your family or friends. lol. You do that and let me know how it works out for you. hahahhahahahahahaha With as many buddy deals going on in politics these days, you guys can't get over a guy who trusts his name to only those he knows? Try looking into all the politicians setting up their families with taxpayer dollars, setting up business partners with the same, or looking out for their own fortunes. And Ron Paul only trusts his name to someone in his family? haha. I needed that today. |
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| Quote, originally posted by ActiveAero » | | An average of only $14,800 per person for nearly an entire years worth of campaigning.....are you kidding me by bringing this up? Is that supposed to be a lot? Apparently I live in fairy land because to me that's not jack shit and actually sounds like Ron Paul was ripping off his family members considering he raised over $30 million dollars and only did so towards the very END of the campaign cycle. Answer me this geniuses: As everyone knows Ron Paul started out as a complete nobody and he is not very wealthy nor lobbyist/special interest backed so how in the heck do you expect somebody that starts out with hardly any cash compared to the other candidates to be able to magically pay all sorts of third party mega buck groups like Rudy, Romney, etc? It's coming to me now......maybe......just maybe he used his family because that's ALL HE COULD AFFORD AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS CAMPAIGN WHEN HE HAD NO MONEY. If Ron Paul was some multi-millionaire with a crap ton of special interest cash dumped on him at the beginning of the campaign then yeah I could definitely see having a problem with him paying lots of members of his family with contribution money but when it's a freaking GRASS ROOTS candidate that NO special interest supports you'd have to be a moron to question his decision to use family members. |
Sorry -- if you raise $30 million and it doesn't dawn on your to hire professionals, the people that threw away their money by giving it to you deserve at least an explanation as to why you didn't bother trying to win. It isn't as if he didn't raise any money until he dropped out. He was raising plenty of money to employ a real staff well before the primaries. Fuxing Paulies are the biggest bunch of fuxing rubes since the Ross Perot's followers.Seriously. Just to remove Ron "Second Coming" Paul from the equation, think of this as a business. Not some nickel and dime $100,000 bullshit mom and pop McD's franchise, but a national business with at least $30 million in capitalization. Now, imagine you are a shareholder in that business, with a decent stake. And, instead of going out and hiring Big Four accountants, a NY-based I-bank and a proper PR firm, the CEO hires family members to do everything from accouting to raising additional capital to marketing. Can you honestly tell me that would be okay with you?
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| Quote, originally posted by Mark sans » | Sorry -- if you raise $30 million and it doesn't dawn on your to hire professionals, the people that threw away their money by giving it to you deserve at least an explanation as to why you didn't bother trying to win. |
we already know why he didnt win. People like their hands being held by the govt. and the media totally blocked him out. Its a pretty obvious observation.| Quote » | | Now, imagine you are a shareholder in that business, with a decent stake. And, instead of going out and hiring Big Four accountants, a NY-based I-bank and a proper PR firm, the CEO hires family members to do everything from accouting to raising additional capital to marketing. Can you honestly tell me that would be okay with you? |
I agree that he should of done a better job at finding ways to promote himself but im not going to hate on the guy because he trusts his family over some Joe shmo. Did you not read about those articles written on his behalf that were full of racist content?After that debacle i wouldn't trust to many of these "Professionals" either.
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