|
grandtheftlunchbox
Offline
129 posts [100%]
INDY IN
3-22-2008
|
It's all a matter of preference, price, fuel efficiency, and availability. I would think that the B18 would be better for turbo because of the bigger displacement, but i've never experienced it myself so i couldn't tell you for sure. B18's are considerably more expensive than B16's, plus the fact that most of the B18's are OBD2 which makes swaps even more expensive because you have to do the conversion to OBD1 if your car is OBD1, or OBD0... etc. That's why you see more b16's out there.
_TonyProud owner of a '95 Ferio. 
|
fryman
Offline
208 posts [100%]
fl
3-2-2008
|
| « Re: B16 vs B18 (grandtheftlunchbox) | « » 1:50 AM 5/12/2008 |
Reply
Edit
|
Oh I see.Do most people boost DOHC instead of SOHC because the DOHC can handle more pressure or is it for the extra horse power you get with DOHC?
|
.mattyz_
Offline
324 posts [100%]
Southern California
1-17-2008
|
b18b's are pretty well known for their compatibility with boost. I'd go that route. Maybe even a LS/VTEC setup, too.
.mattyz | XBL: BYAHmatt | DD: '95 Civic EX [stock]
|
wondersparrow
Offline
115 posts [100%]
Edmonton AB
3-27-2008
|
I have seen more boosted d-series than b-series engines.
'97 Del Sol dd with SIRII
EG/B18 project for roadcourse
|
subiesteve
Offline
16 posts [100%]
Clarksville TN
5-6-2008
|
mix them
04 STI
00 civic ex project turbo ( race car) 
|
Dasfinc
Offline
1349 posts [99%]
Ottawa IL
4-28-2006
|
| « Re: B16 vs B18 (grandtheftlunchbox) | « » 2:20 PM 5/12/2008 |
Reply
Edit
|
| Quote, originally posted by grandtheftlunchbox » | | B18's are considerably more expensive than B16's, plus the fact that most of the B18's are OBD2 which makes swaps even more expensive because you have to do the conversion to OBD1 if your car is OBD1, or OBD0... etc. That's why you see more b16's out there. |
False, False False.... B18A1 and B18B1's are MUCH cheaper than a B16. I picked up my first B18B swap for $750 total cost *it was a 1996 OBD2 motor to boot* and it bolts right into, and PLUGS right into any EH/EG chassis (1992-1995) My SECOND B18 swap cost me only $500, and was a 1994 OBD1 motor, again, plugs right into EH/EG's You need to convert things if you are putting a B18 into a 96-00 Civic only. As far as B18's holding boost better, they 'hold' the boost better,and respond better to it, B18A/B motors have a fairly low 9.1:1 CR making it safer to throw 12-14PSI of boost and easier to tune opposed to the high compression B16 motor. Also, B16 rods/pistons are lighter because they are designed to withstand high high RPM's but thin rods and boost don't work well spinning to 9000RPM, while the B18A/B motors redline at 7000 and have fairly thick rods. as far as 'seeing' more B16 swapped civics, I dunno if thats really true, because remeber the B16 was only sold in 2 cars in the US, both were limited production, so the vast number of 'b16 swaps' you see are imported motors. I feel you see more 'b16' swaps because they are cheaper than GSR swaps, and LS swaps are still growing in popularity due to their low cost.
Modified by Dasfinc at 11:44 AM 5/12/2008
My B18B1 Swap Write-up
| Quote, originally posted by davefromPA » | | ^ best write up on what i needed ever!! thanks dasfinc |
| Quote, originally posted by hondateg10 » | | ^ thanks DASFINC good info. just what i needed |
| Quote, originally posted by dafuzzbudd » | | ^ this guy nailed it /endthread |
|
B20_hatch
(trial)
Offline
14 posts [100%]
Honolulu HI
5-12-2008
|
B18c1 Block with a B16 Head or u can also go Boost on a LSV, my old setup was LSV. ANIMO
|
riceburnerryan
Offline
875 posts [100%]
You know... WA
11-2-2004
|
if you build up a b16, they can have a lot of power.. in my opinion i think that a b16 is a good motor, since it is DOHC VTEC and with a few parts it can be a really strong motor *rods etc.* LS are cheaper, and you can add a VTEC head later to have LS/VTEC, which do handle boost pretty well too..
bring back NOFX
PS3 COD4 -- spamNrice
|
bLu92bUbbLe
Offline
36 posts [98%]
Queens NyC
12-12-2007
|
good question...always wondered the same...
|
grandtheftlunchbox
Offline
129 posts [100%]
INDY IN
3-22-2008
|
| Quote, originally posted by Dasfinc » | False, False False.... B18A1 and B18B1's are MUCH cheaper than a B16. I picked up my first B18B swap for $750 total cost *it was a 1996 OBD2 motor to boot* and it bolts right into, and PLUGS right into any EH/EG chassis (1992-1995) My SECOND B18 swap cost me only $500, and was a 1994 OBD1 motor, again, plugs right into EH/EG's You need to convert things if you are putting a B18 into a 96-00 Civic only. As far as B18's holding boost better, they 'hold' the boost better,and respond better to it, B18A/B motors have a fairly low 9.1:1 CR making it safer to throw 12-14PSI of boost and easier to tune opposed to the high compression B16 motor. Also, B16 rods/pistons are lighter because they are designed to withstand high high RPM's but thin rods and boost don't work well spinning to 9000RPM, while the B18A/B motors redline at 7000 and have fairly thick rods. as far as 'seeing' more B16 swapped civics, I dunno if thats really true, because remeber the B16 was only sold in 2 cars in the US, both were limited production, so the vast number of 'b16 swaps' you see are imported motors. I feel you see more 'b16' swaps because they are cheaper than GSR swaps, and LS swaps are still growing in popularity due to their low cost.
Modified by Dasfinc at 11:44 AM 5/12/2008
|
yeah dude, i know i know i know. i was referring to the GSR b18c. my apologies for the confusions. hmm... i could have sworn a buddy of mine had to do a shit ton of wiring harness mods to get his OBD2 GSR to fit his 93 hatch. around here almost every civic i see has got either a b16a or a boosted d-series in it.
Modified by grandtheftlunchbox at 2:17 PM 5/12/2008
_TonyProud owner of a '95 Ferio.
|
ek fan
Offline
11 posts [100%]
Modesto ca
5-5-2008
|
| « Re: B16 vs B18 (grandtheftlunchbox) | « » 5:50 PM 5/12/2008 |
Reply
Edit
|
I would go for a b18c1,
Have mercy, I wasn't born with car knowledge. NOOB. 
|
Dasfinc
Offline
1349 posts [99%]
Ottawa IL
4-28-2006
|
| « Re: B16 vs B18 (grandtheftlunchbox) | « » 6:17 PM 5/12/2008 |
Reply
Edit
|
| Quote, originally posted by grandtheftlunchbox » | yeah dude, i know i know i know. i was referring to the GSR b18c. my apologies for the confusions. hmm... i could have sworn a buddy of mine had to do a shit ton of wiring harness mods to get his OBD2 GSR to fit his 93 hatch. around here almost every civic i see has got either a b16a or a boosted d-series in it.
Modified by grandtheftlunchbox at 2:17 PM 5/12/2008
|
Thanks for being understanding about it! Yea, GSR's are usually 2500+ for the swap which is anything but cheap. the shock-tower harnesses on the 92-95 Civic and all 94+ integras are the same, I suspect he hacked up the civics wiring harness to try to make it work/reach everything on the GSR motor, and I also suspect since his is a 93 hatch it wasn't an SI so he had to wire Vtec all the way back to the ECU also. For the 1996 B18B1 I put in my car, I just used the harness that came with the motor and it literally plugs right in and starts. if I bought a GSR motor, it would be the same way with the GSR wiring harness because I already have Vtec wiring to the shock tower in my car, but if I didn't I'd have to wire 2-3 wires back through the firewall to my ECU which still isn't a big deal IMO.
My B18B1 Swap Write-up
| Quote, originally posted by davefromPA » | | ^ best write up on what i needed ever!! thanks dasfinc |
| Quote, originally posted by hondateg10 » | | ^ thanks DASFINC good info. just what i needed |
| Quote, originally posted by dafuzzbudd » | | ^ this guy nailed it /endthread |
|
grandtheftlunchbox
Offline
129 posts [100%]
INDY IN
3-22-2008
|
indeeeed. anyways fryman, sorry for going off subject, hope ya got the info ya wanted.
_TonyProud owner of a '95 Ferio.
|
elektronsi
Offline
381 posts [100%]
salt lake city utah
4-13-2008
|
| « Re: B16 vs B18 (grandtheftlunchbox) | « » 9:11 PM 5/12/2008 |
Reply
Edit
|
this is an endless argument that could last for centuries, its all about which one you prefer
built not bought
|
riceburnerryan
Offline
875 posts [100%]
You know... WA
11-2-2004
|
i read an article today in honda tuning about gettin 500 HP off a stock block, and mostly a stock head as well... i thought that was interesting...
bring back NOFX
PS3 COD4 -- spamNrice
|
94civicgsr
Offline
54 posts [100%]
Eldon Missouri
12-25-2007
|
i have a 94 civic sedan with a 97 gsr motor and i had to wire in a knock sensor and the vtec and change the ecu other than that it fit right in its all on how much you are willing to spend. b16 are a good cheap swap and a lsv is even better if i were to do it again i would go lsv
94 civic gsr currently under 400whp build/turbo all advise is helpful
Tons of extra parts off of a 94 civic for sale
http://www.hondamarketplace.co...99803
|
fryman
Offline
208 posts [100%]
fl
3-2-2008
|
| « Re: B16 vs B18 (grandtheftlunchbox) | « » 11:31 PM 5/13/2008 |
Reply
Edit
|
| Quote, originally posted by grandtheftlunchbox » | | indeeeed. anyways fryman, sorry for going off subject, hope ya got the info ya wanted. |
Well I'm kind of confused.So its best to put a B16 head on a B18 block because the B16 head is built to withstand higher RPMs but the B18 is bigger cc so it has more horsepower than B16s?Whats ls,lsv,gsr,shock-tower harness,si,OBD1,OBD2? I'm pretty new to the forum so I don't know all the Honda lingo lol.I know OBD has to do with the wire harness though. | Quote, originally posted by elektronsi » | | this is an endless argument that could last for centuries, its all about which one you prefer |
Really I prefer what ever one is easier/cheaper to get alot of horsepower from...and whichever one is more reliable and strong.-----
By the way when you put a DOHC in a car built for a stock SOHC,what all do you have to change in the car?I heard you have to put in a new transmission and drive shafts.
|
94civicgsr
Offline
54 posts [100%]
Eldon Missouri
12-25-2007
|
an ls is an 1.8 non vtec a gsr is an 1.8 vtec an lsv is a non vtec block with a vtec head the she shock tower harness is the three plugs that seperate the car wiring from the motor wiring. si is the model and options on the car and obd0, obd1 and obd2 seperate years in the cars so if you swap motors from a 92-95 into a 88-91 you need to change from obd0 to obd1. obd0 is 88-91, obd1 is 92-95, obd2 is 96-up
94 civic gsr currently under 400whp build/turbo all advise is helpful
Tons of extra parts off of a 94 civic for sale
http://www.hondamarketplace.co...99803
|
fryman
Offline
208 posts [100%]
fl
3-2-2008
|
| « Re: B16 vs B18 (94civicgsr) | « » 12:12 AM 5/14/2008 |
Reply
Edit
|
I'll have to write that down haha.Are there any special letters for the 1.5,1.6,2.0 engines?
|
lilo_goki
Offline
550 posts [99%]
marysville ca
12-23-2006
|
to be honest, i don't like b16. they are weak and no torque at all compare to the b18's. if ur going turbo, go Ls but, if u have the money go gsr. gsr turbo will be sick. my buddie has one, stock everything with the tubo setup t3/t4 boosting 6-8 psi and ran 12.4 on his 92 vx hatchback.
|
silverdcteg
Offline
21 posts [100%]
11950 ny
8-25-2007
|
sohc are just baby motors lol. b16 are decent for boost but in my opinion there to small. ls(b18a1,b1) and great for boost. the most common really, there very boost friendly. lsv arent very reliable unless done 100% correct so boosting them would be even more unreliable. gsr imo is the best. 1.8 vtec motor with semi low cp pistons. b20 blocks have weak sleeves so there no good for boost. type r is a good motor but can only be run on low boost bc they already have 11.5 cp pistons
|
fryman
Offline
208 posts [100%]
fl
3-2-2008
|
| « Re: B16 vs B18 (silverdcteg) | « » 1:34 AM 5/14/2008 |
Reply
Edit
|
What about B18c1?What are their strong and weak points and are they good to boost?
|
urnotfast
Offline
1513 posts [98%]
Morgantown WV
11-20-2004
|
i like my b16 on boost but i loved my friends 420whp lsv on boost. a mild b16 on boost is fun on the street( i have one) if you dont mind revving high to make power and having no torque. but a ls has better torque. and a sohc on a bunch of boost is really fun...small engine and torque almost equal to hp its little man syndrome at its best. no matter what welcome to your new addiction once you go boost you are on the dark side and youll never go back
1999 EBP EM1 on boost
EM1 Crew
EBP---Dropping Panties Since 1999 http://www.wvstreets.com | Quote, originally posted by dvang » | | pop the hoods and see whos vtak is larger. thats the only way to know which cars faster. |
|
fryman
Offline
208 posts [100%]
fl
3-2-2008
|
| « Re: B16 vs B18 (urnotfast) | « » 3:00 AM 5/14/2008 |
Reply
Edit
|
| Quote, originally posted by urnotfast » | | i like my b16 on boost but i loved my friends 420whp lsv on boost. a mild b16 on boost is fun on the street( i have one) if you dont mind revving high to make power and having no torque. but a ls has better torque. and a sohc on a bunch of boost is really fun...small engine and torque almost equal to hp its little man syndrome at its best. no matter what welcome to your new addiction once you go boost you are on the dark side and youll never go back |
Lol yea.I had a hard enough time driving slow after I hit 110mph on the highway...after that 40mph seemed slow enough to run.I can imagine how much fun and exhilarating a boosted civic would be.
|
| | First 1 2 > Last |
