Clutch problems and want to know what do you run?? - Honda-Tech

MindLess311 · 05-11-2008, 08:29 PM

Hey guys ever since i started to make good power with my car i have had clutch problems. When i was stock block turbo i went threw a stocker, XTD sprung 6 puck, and a ACT unsprung 6 puck. I was going to the track once or twise a week that year soo i didnt really think too much of it since the first two were a giving to let go.

Now last year i went with a Competition Clutches unsprung iron 6 puck with the upgraded pressure plate 2300lbs clamping force if i remember correctly. Absolutely loved this clutch i hate the feel of sprung clutches this one had a real good feel to it. I only made it to the track a few time like less the 10 times equaling under 25 passes on slicks. Now a few times last year id get a feel like something slipping wasn't sure if it was tire spin clutch or tires spinning on the wheels. I marked the wheels tires weren't moving an inch so some what thought i was just spinning the tires but always felt smooth. But this was intermittent some time would grab 100% other times i get this spinning feel.

Now this year first time out at the track i made 3 passes all of which i had the slipping problem. Now i know i do not make enough power to spin 25 inch slicks in 4th going 80 sooo looks like clutch.

Is there something else i might be missing, i run a stock lsd and wasnt sure if this was something that might let go and cause this to happen. And if not what the heck am i doing thats giving me such bad luck with clutches. I always machine the flywheels torque things to spec im just at a loss.

MindLess311 · 05-12-2008, 05:50 PM

No one runs a clutch in there car???

slow96coupe · 05-12-2008, 05:59 PM

dont ride your clutch so much. I have had a 6 puck on 24.5 slicks and never had a problem when i was making over 500WHP and over 300WTQ

DaveF · 05-12-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MindLess311

i run a stock lsd

does that mean an oem LSD, like a type r or do you have a stock oem open differential ??

MindLess311 · 05-12-2008, 06:40 PM

I have a jdm gsr tranny with stock lsd not an open diff. I wasnt sure if that could some how slip instead of the clutch slipping. Im kind of boggled on how this clutch is slipping i thought i went over kill to fix my having problems.

P-Lucas · 05-12-2008, 06:48 PM

i run a tilton twin disc, and have not had a problem with it in three seasons of use. Lots of passes at the track, 2 seasons at 550 ish whp, and 1 at 680 ish whp.

turbotypeR@SPEC · 05-12-2008, 06:51 PM

are you going to turn it up any more? what is your long term power goals. if you are going to keep urning it up, you may want to consider a twin.

MindLess311 · 05-12-2008, 07:00 PM

The most i would do with the car would be a bigger turbo and race gas so i assume around 550 maybe 600 at the most im still on stock sleeves so i wouldnt even want to push it that much.

And as far as twin disk to be honest i really dont want to fork out the $1200+ on a clutch set up right now.

I was thinking of just running a new disk using my old pressure plate maybe playing around with different materials instead of the iron disk. Any input on what material disk to run to hold the power better. My dad keeps saying ceramic from his racing days but i dont know if those hold up on the hondas.

2point2 · 05-12-2008, 07:53 PM

are you sure you aren't getting any oil on the clutch?

Are you REALLY hard on it or pre-loading for a long time?

MindLess311 · 05-12-2008, 10:26 PM

I really dont think id be getting oil on the clutch in any way but ill deff look into it. How would oil be getting on the clutch like tranny fluid or actual motor oil i dont really see where it would be coming from... any way to check/ fix with out removing the tranny? Its still in the car but planning on pulling wednesday on my day off.

And as far as preloading or being hard on it i usually do a small 1st gear burn out and then stage and only start to slip the clutch once the lights start dropping. Like i havent even tried getting off the tree fast just do it at my own pace. Pretty much once i start slipping it i launch.

Modified by MindLess311 at 10:58 PM 5/12/2008

MindLess311 · 05-14-2008, 02:14 PM

Welp got it all apart and the whole shibang is smoked. Pressure plate, clutch disk and flywheels all burnt glazed chewed every thing lol.

So guys that run weekly or at least normally what clutch and what specs do you run for above 400whp.

DJsilkyjr · 05-14-2008, 04:02 PM

Competion Clutch Twin Disc FTW! Their pretty cheap compared to like a Clutchmaster or Exedy and a lot of people sell them, i bought mine last year and beat the shit out of the car everyweek and till this day never had any problems.

MindLess311 · 05-14-2008, 04:44 PM

Well i really dont want to spend the cash on a twin disk right now i have better things to spend an extra $700 on then a clutch.

And as far as competion clutch not trying to bad mouth but i dont see me running them any more due to the clutch lasting under 4000 miles and only a hand full of passes at the track.

P-Lucas · 05-14-2008, 05:34 PM

well you can buy it once and be done, or keep messing with it. I would get tired of pulling tranny's out by now if i were you. Whats your time worth

MindLess311 · 05-14-2008, 07:31 PM

Yea i know what you're saying but im not sure if im going to be doing much with this car after this year trying to start up a new project/ buy a house so the extra money would be very nice. Also its only a couple of hours work so ehh i dont mind too much.

P-Lucas · 05-14-2008, 08:44 PM

ok i can understand what your saying if you don't have much planned for the car next year., good luck.

P-Lucas · 05-20-2008, 05:37 PM

ok i can understand what your saying if you don't have much planned for the car next year., good luck.

BlownHatch · 05-20-2008, 07:25 PM

well you can spend the money once on an exedy twin, or keep replacing the clutch every time you go to the track .

i deff. feel ya on the money part but trust me if you think your gonna do this sport without spending money you dont have you are in for a rude awakening

Garcia-Racing · 05-20-2008, 08:06 PM

Don't slip the clutch. Just drop it and let it do its thing.

MindLess311 · 05-21-2008, 01:55 AM

Is daily driving an iron clutch bad because of all the slipping or no??

turbotypeR@SPEC · 05-21-2008, 05:29 AM

i used my SPEC stage 5 for 2 seasons and drove it on the street a good bit in my integra when i was making 600whp and about 450lbft.

BoostedJeff · 05-21-2008, 08:09 AM

Exedy Twin

Joe had the same Exedy twin in his car for 2-3 seasons, 2 of them over 800whp.

I wouldn't consider another clutch

MindLess311 · 05-21-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by turbotypeR@SPEC

i used my SPEC stage 5 for 2 seasons and drove it on the street a good bit in my integra when i was making 600whp and about 450lbft.

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotypeR@SPEC

i used my SPEC stage 5 for 2 seasons and drove it on the street a good bit in my integra when i was making 600whp and about 450lbft.

I pmed you back but you never got back to me

turbotypeR@SPEC · 05-21-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MindLess311

I pmed you back but you never got back to me

sorry. i have been really busy. you have pm

05-11-2008, 08:29 PM	#1
MindLess311 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West Seneca, New York, U.S. Posts: 264	Clutch problems and want to know what do you run?? Hey guys ever since i started to make good power with my car i have had clutch problems. When i was stock block turbo i went threw a stocker, XTD sprung 6 puck, and a ACT unsprung 6 puck. I was going to the track once or twise a week that year soo i didnt really think too much of it since the first two were a giving to let go. Now last year i went with a Competition Clutches unsprung iron 6 puck with the upgraded pressure plate 2300lbs clamping force if i remember correctly. Absolutely loved this clutch i hate the feel of sprung clutches this one had a real good feel to it. I only made it to the track a few time like less the 10 times equaling under 25 passes on slicks. Now a few times last year id get a feel like something slipping wasn't sure if it was tire spin clutch or tires spinning on the wheels. I marked the wheels tires weren't moving an inch so some what thought i was just spinning the tires but always felt smooth. But this was intermittent some time would grab 100% other times i get this spinning feel. Now this year first time out at the track i made 3 passes all of which i had the slipping problem. Now i know i do not make enough power to spin 25 inch slicks in 4th going 80 sooo looks like clutch. Is there something else i might be missing, i run a stock lsd and wasnt sure if this was something that might let go and cause this to happen. And if not what the heck am i doing thats giving me such bad luck with clutches. I always machine the flywheels torque things to spec im just at a loss. __________________ 92 White Peakboost Hatch built bottom end Turbo lots of track time. Pump gas t3/t4 417whp 319torque Best time and mph 10.6 @131 Best 60ft 1.59

05-12-2008, 05:50 PM	#2
MindLess311 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West Seneca, New York, U.S. Posts: 264	No one runs a clutch in there car??? __________________ 92 White Peakboost Hatch built bottom end Turbo lots of track time. Pump gas t3/t4 417whp 319torque Best time and mph 10.6 @131 Best 60ft 1.59

05-12-2008, 05:59 PM	#3
slow96coupe Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: J Action Ville, nc, USA Posts: 395	dont ride your clutch so much. I have had a 6 puck on 24.5 slicks and never had a problem when i was making over 500WHP and over 300WTQ __________________ GT42 Powered EF Hatch Majestic Motorsports 910-219-4176

05-12-2008, 06:40 PM	#5
MindLess311 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West Seneca, New York, U.S. Posts: 264	I have a jdm gsr tranny with stock lsd not an open diff. I wasnt sure if that could some how slip instead of the clutch slipping. Im kind of boggled on how this clutch is slipping i thought i went over kill to fix my having problems. __________________ 92 White Peakboost Hatch built bottom end Turbo lots of track time. Pump gas t3/t4 417whp 319torque Best time and mph 10.6 @131 Best 60ft 1.59

05-12-2008, 06:48 PM	#6
P-Lucas Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: portland, or, usa Posts: 28	Re: (MindLess311) i run a tilton twin disc, and have not had a problem with it in three seasons of use. Lots of passes at the track, 2 seasons at 550 ish whp, and 1 at 680 ish whp.

05-12-2008, 06:51 PM	#7
turbotypeR@SPEC Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Alabaster, Al, USA Posts: 2,827	Re: (MindLess311) are you going to turn it up any more? what is your long term power goals. if you are going to keep urning it up, you may want to consider a twin. __________________ best et:9.76 best mph:155mph big thanks to my sponsors: SPEC Clutch, MFactory, Avid Racing, Bullseye Power

05-12-2008, 07:00 PM	#8
MindLess311 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West Seneca, New York, U.S. Posts: 264	The most i would do with the car would be a bigger turbo and race gas so i assume around 550 maybe 600 at the most im still on stock sleeves so i wouldnt even want to push it that much. And as far as twin disk to be honest i really dont want to fork out the $1200+ on a clutch set up right now. I was thinking of just running a new disk using my old pressure plate maybe playing around with different materials instead of the iron disk. Any input on what material disk to run to hold the power better. My dad keeps saying ceramic from his racing days but i dont know if those hold up on the hondas. __________________ 92 White Peakboost Hatch built bottom end Turbo lots of track time. Pump gas t3/t4 417whp 319torque Best time and mph 10.6 @131 Best 60ft 1.59

05-12-2008, 07:53 PM	#9
2point2 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA Posts: 5,475	are you sure you aren't getting any oil on the clutch? Are you REALLY hard on it or pre-loading for a long time? __________________ Turbocharged CRX w/Stock H22 10.73 @ 137mph Pics and Info

05-12-2008, 10:26 PM	#10
MindLess311 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West Seneca, New York, U.S. Posts: 264	I really dont think id be getting oil on the clutch in any way but ill deff look into it. How would oil be getting on the clutch like tranny fluid or actual motor oil i dont really see where it would be coming from... any way to check/ fix with out removing the tranny? Its still in the car but planning on pulling wednesday on my day off. And as far as preloading or being hard on it i usually do a small 1st gear burn out and then stage and only start to slip the clutch once the lights start dropping. Like i havent even tried getting off the tree fast just do it at my own pace. Pretty much once i start slipping it i launch. Modified by MindLess311 at 10:58 PM 5/12/2008 __________________ 92 White Peakboost Hatch built bottom end Turbo lots of track time. Pump gas t3/t4 417whp 319torque Best time and mph 10.6 @131 Best 60ft 1.59

05-14-2008, 02:14 PM	#11
MindLess311 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West Seneca, New York, U.S. Posts: 264	Welp got it all apart and the whole shibang is smoked. Pressure plate, clutch disk and flywheels all burnt glazed chewed every thing lol. So guys that run weekly or at least normally what clutch and what specs do you run for above 400whp. __________________ 92 White Peakboost Hatch built bottom end Turbo lots of track time. Pump gas t3/t4 417whp 319torque Best time and mph 10.6 @131 Best 60ft 1.59

05-14-2008, 04:02 PM	#12
DJsilkyjr Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Posts: 354	Competion Clutch Twin Disc FTW! Their pretty cheap compared to like a Clutchmaster or Exedy and a lot of people sell them, i bought mine last year and beat the shit out of the car everyweek and till this day never had any problems. __________________ ~ Intense Motorsports ~ 92 eg hatch SFWD 2.0 LS Vtec s372r powered http://is.rely.net/1-92-30009-l-tEzP...BTGi0jOCgA.gif 95 eg w/h22a4 turbo daily 11.31 @ 128mph (STOLEN) --Nitrous is like a hot chick with STD"s, you would love to smash it but your afraid of the consequences--

05-14-2008, 04:44 PM	#13
MindLess311 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West Seneca, New York, U.S. Posts: 264	Well i really dont want to spend the cash on a twin disk right now i have better things to spend an extra $700 on then a clutch. And as far as competion clutch not trying to bad mouth but i dont see me running them any more due to the clutch lasting under 4000 miles and only a hand full of passes at the track. __________________ 92 White Peakboost Hatch built bottom end Turbo lots of track time. Pump gas t3/t4 417whp 319torque Best time and mph 10.6 @131 Best 60ft 1.59

05-14-2008, 05:34 PM	#14
P-Lucas Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: portland, or, usa Posts: 28	Re: (MindLess311) well you can buy it once and be done, or keep messing with it. I would get tired of pulling tranny's out by now if i were you. Whats your time worth

05-14-2008, 07:31 PM	#15
MindLess311 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West Seneca, New York, U.S. Posts: 264	Yea i know what you're saying but im not sure if im going to be doing much with this car after this year trying to start up a new project/ buy a house so the extra money would be very nice. Also its only a couple of hours work so ehh i dont mind too much. __________________ 92 White Peakboost Hatch built bottom end Turbo lots of track time. Pump gas t3/t4 417whp 319torque Best time and mph 10.6 @131 Best 60ft 1.59

05-14-2008, 08:44 PM	#16
P-Lucas Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: portland, or, usa Posts: 28	Re: (MindLess311) ok i can understand what your saying if you don't have much planned for the car next year., good luck.

05-20-2008, 05:37 PM	#17
P-Lucas Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: portland, or, usa Posts: 28	Re: (MindLess311) ok i can understand what your saying if you don't have much planned for the car next year., good luck.

05-20-2008, 07:25 PM	#18
BlownHatch Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: south of heaven Posts: 583	Re: (P-Lucas) well you can spend the money once on an exedy twin, or keep replacing the clutch every time you go to the track . i deff. feel ya on the money part but trust me if you think your gonna do this sport without spending money you dont have you are in for a rude awakening __________________ www.tempestracing.net 94 Civic - outlaw 08 http://is.rely.net/1-92-30009-l-tEzP...BTGi0jOCgA.gif

05-20-2008, 08:06 PM	#19
Garcia-Racing Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orange County, CA, USA Posts: 4,006	Re: (MindLess311) Don't slip the clutch. Just drop it and let it do its thing. __________________ Custom built motors available, PM me http://www.myspace.com/tgarciaracing

05-21-2008, 01:55 AM	#20
MindLess311 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West Seneca, New York, U.S. Posts: 264	Is daily driving an iron clutch bad because of all the slipping or no?? __________________ 92 White Peakboost Hatch built bottom end Turbo lots of track time. Pump gas t3/t4 417whp 319torque Best time and mph 10.6 @131 Best 60ft 1.59

05-21-2008, 05:29 AM	#21
turbotypeR@SPEC Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Alabaster, Al, USA Posts: 2,827	Re: (MindLess311) i used my SPEC stage 5 for 2 seasons and drove it on the street a good bit in my integra when i was making 600whp and about 450lbft. __________________ best et:9.76 best mph:155mph big thanks to my sponsors: SPEC Clutch, MFactory, Avid Racing, Bullseye Power

05-21-2008, 08:09 AM	#22
BoostedJeff H-T Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Charm City, MD, USA Posts: 14,074	Re: (turbotypeR@SPEC) Exedy Twin Joe had the same Exedy twin in his car for 2-3 seasons, 2 of them over 800whp. I wouldn't consider another clutch __________________ Absolute Pro-Formance Ph -410-526-DRAG (3724)