Mods:

Engine:
-KPRO (High Octane Custom Tune)
-AEM CAI
-ITR Header/Cat
-Buddy Club Spec II Exhaust
-O2 Extension Harness
-Koyo Radiator
-Samco Radiator Hoses
-Mugen Radiator Cap
-Mugen Oil Cap
-Mugen Fan Switch
-Mugen Reservoir Covers
-Buddy Club Race Spec Battery
-High Temp Black Painted Valve Cover

Trans:
-Exedy Stage 1 Clutch
-9.5lb Chromoly Flywheel
-OBX LSD
-Buddy Club Short Shifter

Suspension/Braking:
-Tein Superstreet Coilovers w/ Pillow Ball Mounts
-Skunk2 Rear Camber Kit
-CTR 22mm Rear Sway
-Comptech Front Strut Bar
-Mugen Rear Upper Tie Bar
-Wilwood Big Brake Kit
-Wilwood Front Flexline Kit
-Wilwood Front Pads
-Wilwood Comp A Pads *RACE ONLY*
-Corsport Rear Stainless Brake Lines
-Hawk HP+ Rear Pads
-OEM Rear Rotors

Interior:
-Buddy Club P1 Limited Wide Seats
-Buddy Club Super Low Down Seat Rails
-Takata 6 Point Harness
-Corsport Harness Bar and Camera Mount
-JDM Shift Boot
-UKDM Type R Cluster
-Mugen Sport Pedals
-JDM Accord Euro R Shift Knob
-JDM Coin Holder
-CTR Red Vinyl Steering Wheel Badge
-DIY Painted Dash and Trim
-JDM Dual Din Cover

Exterior:
-VIS OEM Carbon Hood *Not on for Racing*
-17" Enkei RSV's
-225/45/17 Bridgestone RE01R Shaved 5/32"
-JDM Sidemarkers
-JDM CTR Badges

Alignment Specs:
-Camber F -1.8 / R -1.9
-Toe- F .06 Out / R .04 In
-50/50 Cross-weight

2002 Honda Civic Si (EP3) LSD Equipped!

Tad bit illegal, BTW.

How is the -1.8 negative camber working out in the Front? I'm probably going to wind up cranking mine up to around 2.5+.

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Quote, originally posted by SkankyEJ7 »

Nice, if you like bending the rules on the Clutch.

Bending? More like completely shattering. lol.

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How is the -1.8 negative camber working out in the Front? I'm probably going to wind up cranking mine up to around 2.5+.

More camber in the front is always better on these cars, period. And any in the rear is too much. OP is running 1.9 degrees negative in the rear, which is about 1.9 too much.

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Now about the camber. I understand that more camber up front is necessary, however my camber plates are currently maxed, and i need more adjustable steering arms so i can get proper toe adjustments. As for the rear camber being so high, it is necessary for my 225/45/17 RE01R's to clear the rear quarters. Before every little dip in the road would cause it to rub on the outer quarters.

It doesn't make sense, but the car really likes the adjustments i have. I'm sure more front camber will help, however i am pulling times equal to DSP cars on R Compounds! And 1 second slower than the WRX that takes STX each event!

2002 Honda Civic Si (EP3) LSD Equipped!

Yes i know the clutch/flywheel is illegal in my class.

2002 Honda Civic Si (EP3) LSD Equipped!

The stage 1 and flywheel i have currently were done to the car before i started autocrossing the car.

2002 Honda Civic Si (EP3) LSD Equipped!

Also, I can put a whoopin on Street Mod cars in my STS car in my local region, but this means very little and is hardly a good gauge for my car.

We all know that autox is 90% driver and 10% car, anyways.

And you may not like it, but you're going to have to roll those rear fenders to get rid of camber. The Spoon N1 car wasn't running almost 6 degrees front camber and zero rear because they felt like it. As for more front camber, remember that in STS, S, U, etc. you must keep the original steering geometry. So any changes to the strut arm angle/tie rod ends, etc. is technically illegal. FWIW, your Teins are illegal for STX.

Why do you think people don't really run the EP3/RSX for national level autox? Because everything that you need to do to them to get them to handle bumps them into a class that's way over their heads.

I have the old version of Tein Superstreets. They didn't relocate the stock steering arms on the coils, that is why i am stuck with sh*tloads of bump steer.... I'll post up the last event's results to proove a point.

I understand that according to the 2008 National Rule Book and years following that my car is illegal. I already made mention to this. However don't underestimate my driving abilities please!

A ton of people out of Milwaukee are National Champions.

Modified by 20CiviC02Si at 8:07 PM 4/28/2008

Modified by 20CiviC02Si at 8:28 PM 4/28/2008

2002 Honda Civic Si (EP3) LSD Equipped!

http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/...x.htm

Class Results

http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/...o.htm

2002 Honda Civic Si (EP3) LSD Equipped!

The car feels more planted with the added grip and also gives me plenty of rotation in the corners. It's perfectly balanced to my liking. Maybe some little tweaks here and there to the alignment, but all around i love how my car handles. As well as many of the National competitors who have driven it.

Now if we could stop arguing about auto-x i would appreciate it! Not in my member's ride thread that is!

2002 Honda Civic Si (EP3) LSD Equipped!

If this is not meant to be a tech thread, then it needs to go into the picture only thread.

But...just because it is tuned to your liking doesn't mean it is the fastest it can be. No one runs rear camber in these cars if they want one that rotates like a good handling FF car. The Spoon example is just one of the many I can think of. The HART team's RSX-S that runs in STX...zero rear camber and as much legal front camber as they can get.

In my own personal testing when I was trying to get my car setup for national level competition...as much legal front camber as I could get and zero rear.

You don't want a 'planted' car. You want a car that's loose as hell because that'll make it fast. Some can't control it, but the good drivers can and that's how the winning cars are setup.

Don't get me wrong--I'd like to see more people try to run this chassis (EP3/RSX), but there are a ton of tweaks and compromises that you need to make in order to get a car that's somewhat competitive. A stud driver in your car could probably win a few locals, but put that same driver in a properly setup 89-91 hatch and it'll be game over.

Not trying to critisize but moreover I am trying to help. You also introduced the fact that you autox, so people who have been there/done that will chime in with what works and what doesn't work with what you are trying to do.

Seriously, listen to some of the advice here if you want a faster car.

Only performance mods that I see are
-AEM CAI
-ITR Header/Cat
-Buddy Club Spec II Exhaust

While it is techinaclly illegal to have the steering arms of the struts lowered, I highly doubt anyone is ever going to protest that.

Quote, originally posted by blueshark123 »

Just curious what do you mean by (High Octane Custom Tune)? What is the high octane that you are using? Only performance mods that I see are -AEM CAI -ITR Header/Cat -Buddy Club Spec II Exhaust

Yeah, I think it says in the rule book you have to pump gas.

Quote, originally posted by 20CiviC02Si »

I am comparing myself to are National Champions! Have you ever heard of Chris Fenter? Took the championship last year in his STX prepped WRX. Or Jeff Cashmore..... There are many more that i can't name off the top of my head. So don't say im not comparing my car to people worth driving against. Although Chris has switched classes, i am still comparing my times with his. He is probably one of the best autocorssers in the nation! I have the old version of Tein Superstreets. They didn't relocate the stock steering arms on the coils, that is why i am stuck with sh*tloads of bump steer.... I'll post up the last event's results to proove a point. I understand that according to the 2008 National Rule Book and years following that my car is illegal. I already made mention to this. However don't underestimate my driving abilities please! A ton of people out of Milwaukee are National Champions. Modified by 20CiviC02Si at 8:07 PM 4/28/2008 Modified by 20CiviC02Si at 8:28 PM 4/28/2008

When did you compare yourself to Chris fenter? The driver i saw you compare yourself to is Mike Vanderstappen.

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I would also like to catch up to Cashmore's times since he switched to street tires this year!

The car is running on 93 Pump (High Octane).

I appreciate all the advise, i wasn't in that great of a mood. So it's easy to get carried away sometimes and take what people say in a different context. Anyway the car will be completely legal next year.

Modified by 20CiviC02Si at 1:07 PM 4/29/2008

2002 Honda Civic Si (EP3) LSD Equipped!

If for some odd reason someone could figure out how to make the EP3/RSX into a national contender--don't bet against people checking this out. The only legal front strut option that I know of is Koni inserts and ground controls on the stock strut. I'm about 95% sure all Teins modify the location. I think you can get a couple of the ultra-high end solutions to work (Motons) as you can adjust where the arm goes.

Even the Acura A-Spec suspension is technically illegal because it modifys the steering arm angle.

Not that anyone is really gonna care at a local/regional, though. Only time this might be an issue is at the national championship if you trophy pretty high.

I can show one the President of my local SCCA the BC N+ on my car and see what he says about steering arms as pertaining to the rules, and the problems I'm having with the tie rod angles

I'll probably see him Thursday night for 's

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Trust me...I'm on the SCCA STAC (street touring advisory committee). We discussed this in detail 2 years ago.

If we allowed it, then we'd be allowing alternate ackerman angles and such, and that opens up a huge can of worms that we didn't want to deal with (think about it...you could put the strut arm anywhere). And only Hondas and a few early 80's FWD cars actually has the arm attached to the strut. So, no one was really going to complain too much as no one saw the Ep3/RSX (or early 80's FWD cars) being competitive.

Awesome!, yeah I don't really see my car as being competitive at anything past the local level, so I'm not really worried about the legality of my my N+'s.
I understand about the Opening everything up though, as it must be a challenge to determine whats allowed for such a great number of cars.

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I don't want to spend much more money on the car, so i don't think i'll be changing classes anytime soon.

2002 Honda Civic Si (EP3) LSD Equipped!

The problem was and still remains: How do you write a rule allowing alternate arm angles without having unintended consequences? I had a decent idea, but a competitor could still abuse if they wanted to. Not that I think it would do any good, but who knows.

Here is the vid. There is a lot of wind noise so bare with me. I need a better camera!

2002 Honda Civic Si (EP3) LSD Equipped!