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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (EG8) | « » 11:02 AM 1/13/2008 |
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I've often heard that a 3" exhaust was a good choice for the H22, it's the 1.8L's that most people fint it to be too big.Nice to see another graph that shows people that a CAI will out perform SRI's in both the bottom and top end of the graph and no reall loss in the midrange either.
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (EG8) | « » 11:04 AM 1/13/2008 |
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you gained 19 ft. lbs. of torque off an exhaust?
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (boots) | « » 11:43 AM 1/13/2008 |
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i have a 3 inch exhaust kit from kteller and cant wait to install it.
| Quote, originally posted by boots » | | you gained 19 ft. lbs. of torque off an exhaust? |
i dont doubt it at all
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (boots) | « » 11:44 AM 1/13/2008 |
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If your refering to the 125lb-ft in the first picture thats at 7363rpms with the red dotted line. I gained MAX 4.5lb-ft of torque at my peak. But as you can tell it gained completely across the board in HP and TQ
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Great results, this is exactly what i've been looking for
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (hybrid2007) | « » 4:57 PM 1/13/2008 |
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"Who says 3" Exhaust is to much for N/A?"Great comparison My tuner told me the samething when I went up to get it tuned with mandrel bent 2.5" exhaust system. I was worried about loosing torque but darn you didn't loose anything. I think I'll go for 3" next season H-deuce's like large exhausts...
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (ESP.net) | « » 5:27 PM 1/13/2008 |
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i appreciate it, i wonder if mandrel bent would have done better, but all i could get was crushed bent.Nobody local does 3" but overall i am very very happy with it. VIbrant makes an awesome product with their muffler. I just need to ditch this broke ass DC Sports header.
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (EG8) | « » 5:47 PM 1/13/2008 |
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You would probably pick up a bit with a mandrel bent system.What numbers did you make after you tuned?
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (hybrid2007) | « » 12:08 AM 1/14/2008 |
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I havnt tuned yet, I need to sit down and check the Air Fuels and just make some pulls, But the fuel table has changed to what it was tuned from before.
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Nice work
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that coming from big tuna means alot!!!!
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Despite what I've heard, I have never once seen any sort of proof that you can lose power by changing to a larger exhaust. From reading SAE papers and textbooks, the general consensus is everything after the last merge collector is a restriction.
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (92TypeR) | « » 7:02 AM 1/14/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by 92TypeR » | | Despite what I've heard, I have never once seen any sort of proof that you can lose power by changing to a larger exhaust. From reading SAE papers and textbooks, the general consensus is everything after the last merge collector is a restriction. |
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (92TypeR) | « » 12:05 PM 1/14/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by 92TypeR » | | Despite what I've heard, I have never once seen any sort of proof that you can lose power by changing to a larger exhaust. From reading SAE papers and textbooks, the general consensus is everything after the last merge collector is a restriction. |
My first impression was going from a larger exhaust possible your peak hp will change will be gained, your curve will look a tiny bit different little torque would be loss downlow... but this isn't the case... collector size I think is crucial...
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (ESP.net) | « » 12:13 PM 1/14/2008 |
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at this point i have stock collector on my DC sports!!!! I really need to update that and get a light weight flywheel
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (EG8) | « » 2:41 PM 1/14/2008 |
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I'd predict with a better header larger runners and true 2.5" collector you should be able to hit 190+ whp on a good tune... you should also see an increase of atleast 3-5 ft lbs of torque...
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Just had a thought, how crushed are the bends in your system?I'm not sure but could the crushed part cancel out the increase in size?
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (EG8) | « » 3:03 PM 1/14/2008 |
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ha looks like u answer my question on my other thread
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| Quote, originally posted by hybrid2007 » | | Just had a thought, how crushed are the bends in your system? I'm not sure but could the crushed part cancel out the increase in size? |
This is true, which may give you the gains without any losses... replace the bends with mandrel if possible. Crush bend bents can have as much as 1/2" loss in the bends.
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (ESP.net) | « » 3:10 PM 1/14/2008 |
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I have an RMF header with a 3" collecter and i was going towards a 2.5 but since i saw this thread in going 3" now
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It would be interesting to see what size your system is at the bends. You should stop by your muffler shop and get them to put a 90 degree bend in a bit of scrap and then cut it in half.Cheers for posting this up, you've helped me make my mind up on exhaust size aswell
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I wonder what would be most optimal for a stock bottom-end H22 then?2.5" collector to 2.5" cat (or test pipe) to 3" mandrel bent catback or 2.5" collector to 3" cat (or test pipe) to 3" mandrel bent catback I will need to figure out to do with my build coming up soon, which will use Type-S pistons (11:1 c/r) and some goodies for the head. One thing that the dyno doesn't measure is part-throttle power and acceleration. So I want that to be acceptable as well.
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I'll be running an SMSP header with 2.5" collector, 3" outlet to a 3" high flow cat to a 3" mandrel bent catback
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| « Re: 3" Catback Exhaust on Stock JDM H22A (Mike95lude) | « » 5:39 PM 1/14/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Mike95lude » | | I wonder what would be most optimal for a stock bottom-end H22 then? 2.5" collector to 2.5" cat (or test pipe) to 3" mandrel bent catback or 2.5" collector to 3" cat (or test pipe) to 3" mandrel bent catback I will need to figure out to do with my build coming up soon, which will use Type-S pistons (11:1 c/r) and some goodies for the head. One thing that the dyno doesn't measure is part-throttle power and acceleration. So I want that to be acceptable as well. |
I would probably say go with 2.5" collector... take a 2.5" piece of pipe with the correct flange on it for the header 2.5" come out from it 4-5" flare the 2.5" out to 3" run a 3" high flow cat and 3" exhaust system... Or if you have a cheesy flange depending on the header and are knit pickin to the tenth degree, if the header has a flex pipe id think id cut the flange use a clamp flare the exahust side to overlap the header outlet and clamp away...
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