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Page 4 - Piston and Ring install
Page 6 - Balance shaft kit completed
Page 10 - Toasted cams and head
Page 12 - Oil squirter discussion + H22a bearing inspection
Page 13 - Rosko's RDX injector fuel rail comes in
Page 16 - Engine is in, problems begin
Page 17 - New daily driver
Page 18 - Fixed timing belt walking issue
Page 20 - No spark issue fixed
Page 27 - Engine runs on all 4 finally!!
Page 30 - First Drive, but still issues needing to be fixed
Page 36 - How to OBDII to OBDI distributor Conversion
Page 37 - Up and running with no Errors!!
Page 39 - Pictures of Custom 3" exhaust, Mykizism FAB
Page 41/42 - "soft" rocker pad and oiling discussion
Page 44 - Paint Teasers
Page 46 - PICTURES and VIDEOS
Page 47 - DYNO GRAPHS and DYNO VIDEOS

Ok before i get into this, i'm going to be adding tech to this thread as i go so be forewarned that you will likely need to read the whole thread in order to retain everything that is done.

I purchased this setup with the machine work already done. I do not have a bore gauge to determine how well everything was done but after talking to a wiseco rep, the piston to wall and the ring gap are dead on for what i am trying to achieve. I'm assembling this motor in hopes that everything was done correctly prior to me buying it.

Here is what the motor is going to consist of:



f22 crank = 50mm mains

BS kit plugs for the oil pump

Pistons installed:

sidenote......the autozone ring compressor sucks donkey balls!!!

Block:
h23 block with 89mm darton liners
89mm Wiseco pistons
Crower h23 rods
F22 crank (micropolished)
-- crank, rods and pistons have been balanced
ACL bearings
-- align honed mains
kaizenspeed balancer shaft delete
h23 tensioner

Head:
stock unported, stock cams
EuroR Intake manifold - prepared by Rosko
s2000 throttle body
RMF narrow

misc:
12lbs fidanza flywheel
Action 2ks clutch
no ac, ps, cc, evap, egr
New OEM oil pump
New OEM water pump
Converting to OBDI distributor

Fueling:
RDX 410cc injector setup prepared by Rosko
P28 / Crome Pro

Here is the output of the motor with all the same mods minus the block:

I have since fixed my fueling issues which was in turn killing my power considering these cams did not make much more power in general with the tune i had on there.
188whp = stock cams and EuroR manifold
193whp = crower cams and EuroR

The 176whp pass is what put me to 14.0 at 96.6 mph in the quarter mile. I have yet to track the car at its current power level, but its pretty safe to say that im well into the 13 sec barrier.

This build is scheduled to be completed and tuned the week after i get out of school for christmas break. The day after completion, the car is going to the body shop to get its exterior makeover after being hit by a drunk driver...

The car is getting repainted to a darker metallic red. Roof is getting painted a color to match CF and im hoping to have money left over to get a CF trunk.


My goals for this setup is low 13's and eventually break into the 12's when i run a stock thickness headgasket to bump the compression to 13.2:1, running pump and methanol and throw a hefty cam to it.

We'll see what happens



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nice build i wanna see ur dyno so as the track time with new set up



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Uhh where is the turbo? This thing is going to be slow unless you add some N20




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Uhh where is the turbo? This thing is going to be slow unless you add some N20

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hell yeah bout time!



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Nice... get er done



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hell yeah bout time!

when are you going e85?



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allready did a few weeks ago.. gonna get the thinner gasket on this weekend though.



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Impressive

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smartass

Just trying to help




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Impressive, I dont know what half that sh*t means

what do you not understand?



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why ACL bearings? the vast majority of talk on here is OEM bearings. most of it, anyway.



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Nothing wrong with ACL, Blake's done his homework. Its the people who just throw them in and don't check any clearances that have the problems.



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ahh, ok. i just remember quite a few threads here and in other forums, basically trashing ACL. then on the other hand, i see high comp and/or hp builds using ACL. just a little confusing, but if they're good as long as you get your clearances right,



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why ACL bearings? the vast majority of talk on here is OEM bearings. most of it, anyway.

I persoanlly use OEM. At the same time there are plenty of 700 whp plus motors with acl's it's all preference. IMO as long as everything is checked out and comes in spec you should be fine




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why ACL bearings? the vast majority of talk on here is OEM bearings. most of it, anyway.

whats wrong with them if they meet bearing clearance specifications?

OEM bearings are roughly 200 dollars for main, rod and thrust washers

i picked up these ACL's for 50 shipped. ACL bearings are made to meet the "green" clearance of Honda spec which is in the middle.

I plastigaged the mains after getting them aligned honed and each main was near the middle of honda spec.



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cool

i need a new set of main and rod bearings and washers soon, i was just mentioning that i've seen threads here trashing ACL, "OEM all the way!!!" kinda crap.





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there is a lot of personal preference in bearing choice. I would imagine that some of the stories with ACL are due to people not measuring the mains because they bought them as "one size fits all" kind of deal.

one thing i have read about ACL's is one side of the bearing being thicker than the other and thus creating a wear problem.



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that rang a bell, sounds familiar. that should be something you can check with a micrometer though.

i'll be getting bearings soon for my F22/H23 build, and if i can get ACL's for a decent price over OEM, i'll go that route.



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check ebay for seller "CNSautoparts"



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wow $45 shipped for mains, rods, and thrusts. sounds like a great deal, and that seller is 100% positive with 11k+ sales. nice



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that rang a bell, sounds familiar. that should be something you can check with a micrometer though.

actually doesnt hurt to check them with both. I checked all mine with an mic and a bore guage, and then plastiguaged everything assembled to be sure. just because you can mic the clearance on a bearing doesnt mean it will still be the same when the crank is installed. plastiguage is kind of a way to double check the align hone and straightness of the crankshaft too. you can't be too careful when building a motor.



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I thought you sold a bunch of it due to some financial issues... Anyway. Any particular power goal in mind? Looks pretty nice. What do those pistons weigh? What's the compression height?



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i sold the cams (JUN) unfortunately and the money i got from them supported me in my time of need without a job.

compression height is 1.218 IIRC with a 6cc dome

the weights of the pistons are written on the bottom of them and i want to say they were at 354g



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