My personal divided T3 manifold "build thread"...
09-10-2007, 03:44 PM
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My personal divided T3 manifold "build thread"...
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I'm building this manifold for my B16 CRX, which will now have a divided GT3082R. The entire manifold will be polished like this!
Well, it shouldn't have taken 10 hours to build this collector, but I was trying out some different process to get a nice polished finish on the 304 sch pipe. I finally came up with a method that shouldn't take all that long, and gets a really nice finish that's close to a "mirror." I think a little more buffing time would produce a perfect mirror finish. Unfortunetly my first attempt had left some fairly deep gouges in the material which took forever to get out (you can still kinda see them). If I avoid that mistake, the finish should look much better. As for the entire process...I think I'll hold onto it and keep it as a trade secret.
I'm cutting the WG ports, and porting the outlets tommarow. I'll keep this thread updated.
Enjoi,
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Modified by Boostwerks.com at 8:17 PM 9/24/2007
I'm building this manifold for my B16 CRX, which will now have a divided GT3082R. The entire manifold will be polished like this!
Well, it shouldn't have taken 10 hours to build this collector, but I was trying out some different process to get a nice polished finish on the 304 sch pipe. I finally came up with a method that shouldn't take all that long, and gets a really nice finish that's close to a "mirror." I think a little more buffing time would produce a perfect mirror finish. Unfortunetly my first attempt had left some fairly deep gouges in the material which took forever to get out (you can still kinda see them). If I avoid that mistake, the finish should look much better. As for the entire process...I think I'll hold onto it and keep it as a trade secret.
I'm cutting the WG ports, and porting the outlets tommarow. I'll keep this thread updated.
Enjoi,
Bryson
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09-10-2007, 03:58 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostwerks.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol. I did after all say that I'm doing that tommarow in my post. </TD></TR></TABLE>
reading ownz me and the P Shop voice was calling me....
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09-10-2007, 05:02 PM
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Re: (AbitAvenger)
c'mon bryson..you ever heard of a 5lb hammer? beat those ******* into submission. You can get your collector and flange to mate better if you really spend some time with an anvil and a hammer.
09-10-2007, 07:38 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RTErnie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">c'mon bryson..you ever heard of a 5lb hammer? beat those ******* into submission. You can get your collector and flange to mate better if you really spend some time with an anvil and a hammer.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Haha...what the hell is that? j/k. I just used a vise to squish the ends of the collectors. The pic is actually kind of deceiving. They fit the flange almost perfectly. I simply welded in around the seam so it'll come out nice and smooth when I port the inside.
I'll get a before and after pic tommarow.
Haha...what the hell is that? j/k. I just used a vise to squish the ends of the collectors. The pic is actually kind of deceiving. They fit the flange almost perfectly. I simply welded in around the seam so it'll come out nice and smooth when I port the inside.
I'll get a before and after pic tommarow.
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Re: My personal divided T3 manifold "build thread"... (Boostwerks.com)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostwerks.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think a little more buffing time would produce a perfect mirror finish. Unfortunetly my first attempt had left some fairly deep gouges in the material which took forever to get out (you can still kinda see them). If I avoid that mistake, the finish should look much better. As for the entire process...I think I'll hold onto it and keep it as a trade secret.
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6in wire wheel on a bench grinder gives a remarkably similar finish. What layout are you using on the tubes?
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6in wire wheel on a bench grinder gives a remarkably similar finish. What layout are you using on the tubes?
09-10-2007, 07:46 PM
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6in wire wheel on a bench grinder gives a remarkably similar finish. What layout are you using on the tubes?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, I normally use just a wire wheel to give the pipes a shinny finish. However, it's not enough to remove the casting pot marks. With that casting removed it's pretty easy to get it to a mirror finish. The runner's will look better since I don't have to ruin them in the process of finding out what works best.
6in wire wheel on a bench grinder gives a remarkably similar finish. What layout are you using on the tubes?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, I normally use just a wire wheel to give the pipes a shinny finish. However, it's not enough to remove the casting pot marks. With that casting removed it's pretty easy to get it to a mirror finish. The runner's will look better since I don't have to ruin them in the process of finding out what works best.
09-10-2007, 08:56 PM
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looks good, i really wanted to do a divided t3 topmount for my holset, but trying to fit the two gates, w/a topmount and a holset in the ef chassis wasnt something i was up for at the time. i'm curious as to how your going to make it all fit.
09-10-2007, 11:12 PM
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Whew...your gonna have some fun welding at the top of that collector depending how your runners are designed....lol. Have fun with that...I hate that part.
I've been splaying my collectors a little more lately to avoid that and have been HIGHLY relieved. Especially since I still weld mani's with a 17 and an obese gas lense.
Looks good so far man...keep it goin.
I've been splaying my collectors a little more lately to avoid that and have been HIGHLY relieved. Especially since I still weld mani's with a 17 and an obese gas lense.
Looks good so far man...keep it goin.
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They have wheels that will take out the casting marks and pretty much polish the elbow Not cheap like wire wheels though 
Im guessing the collector pulled in on you after it was welded? 2 ways to solve that. Tack quite a few times around the outside (towards edge of flange) and weld only the outside first. Then do another pass around the whole collector. Do not weld in between the two separate collectors untill the manifold is assembled. Another way is to essentially build 2 separate manifolds with the 1&4 and 2&3 runners. Weld each manifold in a separate fixture, once everything is welded and assembled weld each manifold to the divided flange...this way allows for a very compact manifold, easy assembly and you don't have to worry about boxing your self in when you build the manifold
They have wheels that will take out the casting marks and pretty much polish the elbow
Not cheap like wire wheels though Im guessing the collector pulled in on you after it was welded? 2 ways to solve that. Tack quite a few times around the outside (towards edge of flange) and weld only the outside first. Then do another pass around the whole collector. Do not weld in between the two separate collectors untill the manifold is assembled. Another way is to essentially build 2 separate manifolds with the 1&4 and 2&3 runners. Weld each manifold in a separate fixture, once everything is welded and assembled weld each manifold to the divided flange...this way allows for a very compact manifold, easy assembly and you don't have to worry about boxing your self in when you build the manifold
09-11-2007, 11:47 AM
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Do you really need to weld them completely around the backside? I figured you could just weld them together where they meet the flange. Then weld the divided collector to the flange on the interior.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RC000E »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whew...your gonna have some fun welding at the top of that collector depending how your runners are designed....lol. Have fun with that...I hate that part.
I've been splaying my collectors a little more lately to avoid that and have been HIGHLY relieved. Especially since I still weld mani's with a 17 and an obese gas lense.
Looks good so far man...keep it goin.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Justin
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RC000E »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whew...your gonna have some fun welding at the top of that collector depending how your runners are designed....lol. Have fun with that...I hate that part.
I've been splaying my collectors a little more lately to avoid that and have been HIGHLY relieved. Especially since I still weld mani's with a 17 and an obese gas lense.
Looks good so far man...keep it goin.</TD></TR></TABLE>
09-11-2007, 03:18 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Justin Olson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you really need to weld them completely around the backside?
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Definetly not. Those pics are of the completed collector. (no more welds besides the WG tubes). The way I welded it will work just fine, and I know that for a fact. The outside weld around the collectors will hold the weight of the turbo just fine. The inner welds are just required to seal it up. The two collectors don't even really need to be welded together, but I chose to weld up about 2"s on the back side simply to give them more strength. The WG tubes (single WG, but Y'd from both collectors) is obviously going to tie in the front part of the two collectors, so it would have been pointless to weld the front.
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Definetly not. Those pics are of the completed collector. (no more welds besides the WG tubes). The way I welded it will work just fine, and I know that for a fact. The outside weld around the collectors will hold the weight of the turbo just fine. The inner welds are just required to seal it up. The two collectors don't even really need to be welded together, but I chose to weld up about 2"s on the back side simply to give them more strength. The WG tubes (single WG, but Y'd from both collectors) is obviously going to tie in the front part of the two collectors, so it would have been pointless to weld the front.
09-12-2007, 10:11 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RTErnie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">go finish that **** and stop posting :-P lol looks good bryson.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol. I forgot to take it too work with me (I don't really want to make all the noise cutting the collector holes at home).
I'll get the collector finished up tommarow, and hopefully start the runners this weekend.
lol. I forgot to take it too work with me (I don't really want to make all the noise cutting the collector holes at home
). I'll get the collector finished up tommarow, and hopefully start the runners this weekend.
09-13-2007, 07:04 PM
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Re: My personal divided T3 manifold "build thread"... (Boostwerks.com)
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The WG els are definetly going to be tricky. A divided T4 would be much easier to do for sure. I don't think I'll have any problems though.
Porting came out pretty nice too. About 5 minutes with a die grinder does wonders.
The WG els are definetly going to be tricky. A divided T4 would be much easier to do for sure. I don't think I'll have any problems though.
Porting came out pretty nice too. About 5 minutes with a die grinder does wonders.
09-13-2007, 07:39 PM
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^^^ get some good porting tools.
^^^ get some good porting tools.
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Re: My personal divided T3 manifold "build thread"... (Boostwerks.com)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostwerks.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm building this manifold for my B16 CRX, which will now have a divided GT3082R.
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Keep me updated on how the divided setup turns out...
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Keep me updated on how the divided setup turns out...
09-14-2007, 07:31 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Vince64 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are you gonna divide the wg tubes all the way to the flange?
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Not really. I will have somewhat of a collector that will pair both sides of the collector. It'll look kinda like the full-race SR20 divided setup.
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Keep me updated on how the divided setup turns out... </TD></TR></TABLE>
For sure man. I'm going to go with the ATP .78ar divided housing, unless I can find someone else who makes a larger housing.
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Not really. I will have somewhat of a collector that will pair both sides of the collector. It'll look kinda like the full-race SR20 divided setup.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tony the Tiger »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Keep me updated on how the divided setup turns out... </TD></TR></TABLE>
For sure man. I'm going to go with the ATP .78ar divided housing, unless I can find someone else who makes a larger housing.
