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Ok, i have found out there are more than a few threads dealing with this topic. There are tons of older topics, but there are many people new that have this conversion, and some new light shed on this topic will be helpful for discussion.

Quote, originally posted by KOALA YUMMIES »
Ok. It seems only a select few people know what they're talking about here when it comes to the 96 ITR brake swap and what parts will work for replacement. Referring to this thread:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=504424
It has had the most useful information.

For the brake conversion what I know works and doesnt work:
Integra 94-97 Pads work front and back. Tried it.
The Prelude NON-VTEC rotors 91+ (which someone told me work) work as long as you space the caliper on the braket and use Grade-8 bolts.

From what I have heard:
The new Civic Hybrid Electric car the Hubs 4X114.3 will fit into the Integra GSR Hub Bearings.

SO PADS, HUBS AND BEARINGS ARE ALL REPLACEABLE. WHAT ABOUT THE ROTORS!?!?!?!?!?!

My front rotors are dying and was wondering what all the guys with the 96 ITR brake conversion have done, because your rotors will give up eventually.

as for a parts list, i do not have anything composed yet, but i did find out that you can use the new honda hybrid civic.

Quote, originally posted by hondatwincam »
Another update. Talked to Jeff (Kiwi) who got in touch w/ his crew chief who gave him the part number which made it to me.

hub is 44610-S10-000 without studs
or 44600-S10-000 with studs

bearing is 44300-S04-A02


Ordered the part w/ studs, it arrived today and...

Bingo! Much better than:

Thanks go to Jeff and his crew chief Rich!!!

I'm going to press the old bearing out, new bearing in, and hub in - all tomorrow. Will post one more time to let everyone know the results.

I will compose a list of detailed brake replacement and upgrade info for the board thanx to old postings from Koala Yummies and others on the topic, who have worked months on methods to getting better brakes and such to work with this setup.

Here goes...

here is the origional documented thread by Yummies http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=514109

another thread, where his methods http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=504424

in these threads, these facts came:

Quote, originally posted by VX »
~Conclusion To Brake Upgrade For The 96 Spec. ITR 4-lug Conversion~
- 11.1" Front Brakes Upgrade -

Rotors (All Bolt Up Fine):
- 93-96 Prelude VTEC
- 94-97 Accord Wagon/V6

Calipers (Shaving, Shims/Longer Mounting Bolts Required To All):
- 97-01 ITR (U.S.) (1 Piston Caliper)
- 93-96 Prelude VTEC (1 Piston Caliper)
- 91-96 NSX (2 Piston Caliper)
- 93-95 Legend (2 Piston Caliper)
- 94-97 Accord Wagon/V6 (1 Piston Caliper)


- 10.3" Front Brakes Upgrade -

Rotors (Modifications Required, See Below For Details):
- 94-01 Integra GSR (Re-drilled for 4X114.3mm Lug Pattern, Bore Out Center To Accommodate The 96 Spec. ITR hubs).
- 92-96 Prelude Non-VTEC (Bolts Up Fine).

Calipers (Modifications Required, See Below For Details):
- 95.5-97 ITR (JDM) (1 Piston Caliper)
- 94-01 Integra GSR (1 Piston Caliper)
(If Using the Prelude Non-VTEC rotors, Shaving, Shims/Longer Mounting Bolts Required To Either Caliper Mentioned Above).
(If Using the Re-drilled, And Bored Out GSR Rotors, Either Caliper Mentioned Above Will Bolt Up Fine).

If I've made any errors, feel free to correct me, and i will edit this post.

and the difference:
Quote, originally posted by Newman »
Here are some new pics I took a couple of weeks ago. Basically put on 11" Prelude rotors and Accord wagon calipers.... noticable difference in both braking and in looks. Here are some pics for yah.....

Stock 10.3" GSR/ITR rotor size (ITR - 4x114)

Prelude 11" rotor (4x114)

ITR 4x114 vs. Prelude 4x114

We're taking the car this Friday to the Hybrid Track Day 5 up in Buttonwillow so it should be more than enough stopping power for the H22 in there

Lets shed as much light as we can on both all of the parts youll need, brakes, and any specialty parts made.

we can make this a faq if the participation and information flow.



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Being a former 96R brake owner I am more than willing to help anyone looking to convert/upgrade parts as well.



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ok first question.

will dc2r agbs fit behind stock jdm 16s



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ok first question.

will dc2r agbs fit behind stock jdm 16s

Has nothing to do w/ 4X114 butt monger



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dammit. ben sent me the thread. i thought it was a brake ?s in general.

butt monger?



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I'll try and dig up as many of those photos, diagrams and whatnot that are no longer hosted from those threads. Any other information I come across I will post up and pass along. Its been several hard-drive formats since I had the 4x114.3 though

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i had the set up too.

for parts just look for anything from a 92-96 prelude.

the VTEC model had the bigest brakes, 11.1" rotor (same as the 5 lug ITR) the caliper is also the same from the VTEC model prelude to the ITR. I ran this setup, and to fit the OEM 4x114.3 ITR wheels you need to do some grinding, for the gabs i ran i also had to do some grinding

If you want to stick with the 10.2 inch brakes i would go for the prelude SI parts. this is the prelude that came with the h23a motor.

Of course, if you have an interga, or civic with the 10.2 inch brakes you can simple swap out the hub, caliper, and rotor. And you have your self the 96 ITR setup



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Very useful !



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great info in this thread. anyone else want to contribute?



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This thread has a lot of good OEM brake swap info. too.





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I am def subscribing to this thread. Ben, be looking for the 4x114 on the red car around x-mas time!



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Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch »

Of course, if you have an interga, or civic with the 10.2 inch brakes you can simple swap out the hub, caliper, and rotor. And you have your self the 96 ITR setup

Very good info everyone...I remember staying up late nights back in the day toggling back and forth from the different threads on this subject...

For clarification from what slammed_93_hatch said above...Could you simply use GSR front Knuckles w/ pressed in HYBRID Civic hubs to get 4x114.3 up front?

What rear 4x114.3 bearing set would you use to match the fronts?





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listening. . . .



Quote, originally posted by jozy22 »
no way in hell,do some searching b series only bolts up to b, h series bolts up to h and f, d to d

Quote, originally posted by LSVTEC 91 Civic »
WOW. Srsly...

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so the hubs are new from honda dealer usa?



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in the even that i need one, does it matter what bearings i use?




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Hi,

Could anyone confirm that the Honda Hybrid hub assemblies work for the 4x114 integras? My rear hubs are wearing out and I need them changed asap.

Thanks!


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okay... Ball Joints (Lower)... can i use any old Integra Ball Joint?



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Quote, originally posted by terrywhite »
Hi,

Could anyone confirm that the Honda Hybrid hub assemblies work for the 4x114 integras? My rear hubs are wearing out and I need them changed asap.

Thanks!

i need to know as well...my rear wheel bearing went out and im on the hunt for the right hub and bearing.



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I've had my 4x114 setup for a while now.

I have upgraded 11" front rotors and ITR calipers.

My buddy hooked me up with this setup and the rotors were STRAIGHT BOLT ON along with the caliper. no spacers, etc needed.

However, he never told me what rotors they were...

after doing some searching, i found ('93-'97) 1st generation Nissan altima rotors are 11.08". The rotor size is 280mmx22mm.

I think i'll be the guinea pig and buy a rotor or two from autozone unless someone has something else to say





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most of the time on 96 itr thread talks about front rotors only, how about rear rotors?

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Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch »
Of course, if you have an interga, or civic with the 10.2 inch brakes you can simple swap out the hub, caliper, and rotor. And you have your self the 96 ITR setup

so since i have an EG i just have to bolt everything up, front and rear, and it should work fine right? sorry if this is a stupid question but i might be picking up a set tonight and i was just wondering.



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AMEN can anyone help with the rear rotors... I don't think I have heard ANYTHING about them yet.

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so what rear hubs could you use to convert the rear to 4x114?



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