All Motor B Series - Honda-Tech

Bignel00 · 09-05-2007, 05:26 PM

Is all motor b series really worth it ?Anyone ?Anyone? jw?

Schister66 · 09-05-2007, 05:29 PM

if you're looking for raw horsepower, then a turbo is your best bet dollar for dollar....i'm not 100% sure why people prefer NA, but i'm all for boost.

My own setup was about $4500 and i'm at 315whp on the stock block

posHonda · 09-05-2007, 05:36 PM

Schister66, ive heard you were at 275whp at one point for a while?? how many motors have you gone through??

a powerful n/a motor is nice, but if you want to keep up with anything worth racing, i think a turbo is the best way. dont get me wrong id love to have an h2b or a k20 swap, but for the price of those a boosted B series will be much more efficient. a turbo motor can be just as reliable as an n/a motor, but i really think an n/a motor is much easier to manage.

another thing for an n/a honda, id suggest you get something lighter than an integra.

shortycm17 · 09-05-2007, 05:39 PM

i think it depends what ur looking for .... i personally like my boost... but some people love there high reving all motor setups.....11 or 12 sec all motor is quite an accomplishment... yr also looking to spend 5-8k to get there ... when u can throw boost on for 2k and have one hell of a fast car

i love boost...

dc4pos · 09-05-2007, 05:40 PM

It all depends what your goals are and what your going to use the car for. The reason I like N/A 4 cyl. cars is this. 1.) Reliability. 2.) When I beat people with a v6, v8, turbo, whatever, its an awesome feeling. You smoke a 4cyl with a v8 its like so what dude has twice the cylinders and usually more displacement. I like being the underdog I guess.

Schister66 · 09-05-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by iVteC_PoWeR

Schister66, ive heard you were at 275whp at one point for a while?? how many motors have you gone through??

Motors? Just 1...

I've had about 4 different setups though....

I'm happy with my current setup though....that wont last for long...trust me!

Jtuned DC2 · 09-05-2007, 05:49 PM

NA = lost potential

Nowadays turbos are the way to go but, there are still some cats rolling around with all motor hatches

Schister66 · 09-05-2007, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevLo

NA = lost potential

Nowadays turbos are the way to go but, there are still some cats rolling around with all motor hatches

i'd have to agree...i can't see myself spending $10k for a setup that makes 250whp on a B when i can spend half that for a 300+whp B series.

Byaaah! · 09-05-2007, 05:51 PM

Boost boost boost

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posHonda · 09-05-2007, 05:53 PM

all motor is like having infinite turbo lag. Boost FTMFW!

Bignel00 · 09-05-2007, 05:57 PM

tru i agree with what you all have said. I respect everyones opinion. Man i dunno theres something about all motor b series. like when you win a race and it was all motor , i feel like it shows who was most definitly the better driver, but these days turbos dominate the world . keep this goin !!!

Schister66 · 09-05-2007, 06:07 PM

if you want to spend twice the amount of money for an all motor B series just for the "wow factor" then go ahead...i'll stick to my turbo GSR and keep my moneys

Lscivic1999 · 09-05-2007, 06:09 PM

N/A 220whp EG or EK is damn fast..!!

Schister66 · 09-05-2007, 06:11 PM

350whp turbo **insert chassis** is still faster (unless the powerband is complete junk)

redlinexd · 09-05-2007, 08:37 PM

if u want your car to last long, all motor, if u want it to last for a year or two, then turbo. my best advice is to stick a vtec sticker on your car, gives 1 trillion horsepower xD

Mfoehrkolb · 09-05-2007, 08:49 PM

its all preference ... i like the turbo feel and how it sounds, but all motor is just a totally different feel. i love em both.

DOHCgarage919 · 09-05-2007, 08:51 PM

i dont no why but all of my friends rides and other people ive seen with all motor setups and turbo setups the people with boost always either blow the motor, or have some issue or last for a while but then goes, ive had my hatch all motor for a year then i boosted it and blew and then built it again and lasted but i sold it. but i no it wont last forever not becuz i didnt build it right its just everyone i no or everytime ive herd on H-T boost isnt good for the long run cuz all of the abuse and wear,dont get me wrong i loveee boost but everyone noes it wont last forever, ya but you might say if you put lots of money into it and build it right it will last not too true my friend built a sweet ls turbo fully built motor and blew it due to steping on it to much but it was built for that and why build it if your gonna baby it all im saying na= reliable and lasts long time Boost=doesnt last forever can be reliable if built

Schister66 · 09-05-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by redlinexd

if u want your car to last long, all motor, if u want it to last for a year or two, then turbo.

If you're a retard then that statement applies, but seeing as you obviously have no experience with this, you should keep your opinion to your ignorant self....thanks

I'm pushing past 2 years without ANY problems and i beat on my car daily.

DOHCgarage919 · 09-05-2007, 09:07 PM

there is truth to that cuz i have experience and i see it alllllll theeee dammmmm timeeeeee N/A always last longer no matter what turbo set up you have even tough i love boost

Schister66 · 09-05-2007, 09:11 PM

Your turbo setup will last IF you:

1. Build an efficient setup
2. Dont cut corners...buy good parts
3. Dont expect impossible things from the stock block
4. Get a good tune
5. Boost on an engine capable of handling the stress you're putting on it (leakdown and compression to be sure its healthy)

If you do those things, you shouldn't have any problems...the people who do have problems have failed to do one or more of the afore mentioned things and therefore make ALL turbo setups look like a ticking time bomb

DOHCgarage919 · 09-05-2007, 09:15 PM

dude i no but one guy i knew, knew his shit and built it right not cutting any corenrs it went for a while but with all that abuse and wear and tear and the pressue your putting on the pistons and your rings get fried up faster with boost sooner or later your gonna have to rebuild or it ends up going bad on you i love boost but not for too long run it have fun then sell the kit

Schister66 · 09-05-2007, 09:18 PM

Well the guy you knew either did something wrong and didn't want to admit it, pushed it too hard or was simply an unlucky guy...i can't say that shit doesn't happen.

With a turbo setup you ARE putting a lot more stress on an engine and will therefore be causing more wear. I'm not saying that my engine is going to make 200,000 miles without a problem, but its not going to break tomorrow. Also, once it does go, i'm building it...not selling the setup like the other quitters

Bignel00 · 09-06-2007, 08:47 PM

you got a point, nothing last forever anways, keep this goin !!!

DB777 · 09-06-2007, 09:31 PM

how do you boosted guys feel about going up into the hills. Do you ever find it hard to manage the car because of the spool, as in power surging when you don't want it because it starts to spool and pull too quick. I guess what I am saying is all motor sounds like a more usable powerband to play with as far as the track and cornering goes. I'm the noob so I am not saying I'm right, just more want to hear what you have to say.

09-05-2007, 05:26 PM	#1
Bignel00 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 236	All Motor B Series Is all motor b series really worth it ?Anyone ?Anyone? jw? __________________ so jdm that even my tooth brush is wrinkle red http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif

09-05-2007, 05:29 PM	#2
Schister66 Man U FTW Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 8,236	if you're looking for raw horsepower, then a turbo is your best bet dollar for dollar....i'm not 100% sure why people prefer NA, but i'm all for boost. My own setup was about $4500 and i'm at 315whp on the stock block __________________ Bullseye Powered 1999 GSR S256 + 9.8:1 built LS/VTEC + E85 = 450whp DD

09-05-2007, 05:39 PM	#4
shortycm17 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Highlands Ranch, CO, USA Posts: 240	Re: All Motor B Series (Bignel00) i think it depends what ur looking for .... i personally like my boost... but some people love there high reving all motor setups.....11 or 12 sec all motor is quite an accomplishment... yr also looking to spend 5-8k to get there ... when u can throw boost on for 2k and have one hell of a fast car i love boost... __________________ DB SquaD member #234

09-05-2007, 05:40 PM	#5
dc4pos Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: wi, 53081 Posts: 108	Re: (Schister66) It all depends what your goals are and what your going to use the car for. The reason I like N/A 4 cyl. cars is this. 1.) Reliability. 2.) When I beat people with a v6, v8, turbo, whatever, its an awesome feeling. You smoke a 4cyl with a v8 its like so what dude has twice the cylinders and usually more displacement. I like being the underdog I guess.

09-05-2007, 05:57 PM	#11
Bignel00 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 236	Re: (Schister66) tru i agree with what you all have said. I respect everyones opinion. Man i dunno theres something about all motor b series. like when you win a race and it was all motor , i feel like it shows who was most definitly the better driver, but these days turbos dominate the world . keep this goin !!! __________________ so jdm that even my tooth brush is wrinkle red http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif

09-05-2007, 05:36 PM	#3
posHonda Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: DFW, TX, USA Posts: 1,964	Schister66, ive heard you were at 275whp at one point for a while?? how many motors have you gone through?? a powerful n/a motor is nice, but if you want to keep up with anything worth racing, i think a turbo is the best way. dont get me wrong id love to have an h2b or a k20 swap, but for the price of those a boosted B series will be much more efficient. a turbo motor can be just as reliable as an n/a motor, but i really think an n/a motor is much easier to manage. another thing for an n/a honda, id suggest you get something lighter than an integra.

09-05-2007, 05:49 PM	#7
Jtuned DC2 * B A N N E D * Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nine two five, USA Posts: 322	NA = lost potential Nowadays turbos are the way to go but, there are still some cats rolling around with all motor hatches

09-05-2007, 05:53 PM	#10
posHonda Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: DFW, TX, USA Posts: 1,964	all motor is like having infinite turbo lag. Boost FTMFW!

09-05-2007, 06:07 PM	#12
Schister66 Man U FTW Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 8,236	if you want to spend twice the amount of money for an all motor B series just for the "wow factor" then go ahead...i'll stick to my turbo GSR and keep my moneys __________________ Bullseye Powered 1999 GSR S256 + 9.8:1 built LS/VTEC + E85 = 450whp DD

09-05-2007, 06:09 PM	#13
Lscivic1999 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: BoStoN,MA, 021XX, USA Posts: 1,992	Re: (Bignel00) N/A 220whp EG or EK is damn fast..!! __________________ Swapped EJ8 <U>Sold</U>.... 03 G35 Sedan <U>Current..</U> i've sold to: RhdRicheeee , no2psi

09-05-2007, 06:11 PM	#14
Schister66 Man U FTW Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 8,236	Re: (Lscivic1999) 350whp turbo insert chassis is still faster (unless the powerband is complete junk) __________________ Bullseye Powered 1999 GSR S256 + 9.8:1 built LS/VTEC + E85 = 450whp DD

09-05-2007, 08:37 PM	#15
redlinexd Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA, USA Posts: 226	if u want your car to last long, all motor, if u want it to last for a year or two, then turbo. my best advice is to stick a vtec sticker on your car, gives 1 trillion horsepower xD __________________ My Vtec Honda can speed up to 120 and my Vtech Phone can dial up to 999-999-9999

09-05-2007, 08:49 PM	#16
Mfoehrkolb Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bethlehem, PA, United States Posts: 2,625	its all preference ... i like the turbo feel and how it sounds, but all motor is just a totally different feel. i love em both. __________________ <FONT SIZE="3">FS: Retrofitting Service:CLICK HERE</FONT> <FONT SIZE="3">FS: Headlight Restoration Service:CLICK HERE</FONT>

09-05-2007, 08:51 PM	#17
DOHCgarage919 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Why To Steal My Car, NC, United States Of America Posts: 1,485	Re: (redlinexd) i dont no why but all of my friends rides and other people ive seen with all motor setups and turbo setups the people with boost always either blow the motor, or have some issue or last for a while but then goes, ive had my hatch all motor for a year then i boosted it and blew and then built it again and lasted but i sold it. but i no it wont last forever not becuz i didnt build it right its just everyone i no or everytime ive herd on H-T boost isnt good for the long run cuz all of the abuse and wear,dont get me wrong i loveee boost but everyone noes it wont last forever, ya but you might say if you put lots of money into it and build it right it will last not too true my friend built a sweet ls turbo fully built motor and blew it due to steping on it to much but it was built for that and why build it if your gonna baby it all im saying na= reliable and lasts long time Boost=doesnt last forever can be reliable if built __________________ **My Build Thread 94 Integra Gsr** http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2078174 1994 NHBP Acura Integra Gsr Turbo 300whp 210tq 1993 sunset orange pearl Honda Civic Si Turbo- sold

09-05-2007, 09:07 PM	#19
DOHCgarage919 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Why To Steal My Car, NC, United States Of America Posts: 1,485	Re: (Schister66) there is truth to that cuz i have experience and i see it alllllll theeee dammmmm timeeeeee N/A always last longer no matter what turbo set up you have even tough i love boost __________________ **My Build Thread 94 Integra Gsr** http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2078174 1994 NHBP Acura Integra Gsr Turbo 300whp 210tq 1993 sunset orange pearl Honda Civic Si Turbo- sold

09-05-2007, 09:11 PM	#20
Schister66 Man U FTW Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 8,236	Your turbo setup will last IF you: 1. Build an efficient setup 2. Dont cut corners...buy good parts 3. Dont expect impossible things from the stock block 4. Get a good tune 5. Boost on an engine capable of handling the stress you're putting on it (leakdown and compression to be sure its healthy) If you do those things, you shouldn't have any problems...the people who do have problems have failed to do one or more of the afore mentioned things and therefore make ALL turbo setups look like a ticking time bomb __________________ Bullseye Powered 1999 GSR S256 + 9.8:1 built LS/VTEC + E85 = 450whp DD

09-05-2007, 09:15 PM	#21
DOHCgarage919 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Why To Steal My Car, NC, United States Of America Posts: 1,485	Re: (Schister66) dude i no but one guy i knew, knew his shit and built it right not cutting any corenrs it went for a while but with all that abuse and wear and tear and the pressue your putting on the pistons and your rings get fried up faster with boost sooner or later your gonna have to rebuild or it ends up going bad on you i love boost but not for too long run it have fun then sell the kit __________________ **My Build Thread 94 Integra Gsr** http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2078174 1994 NHBP Acura Integra Gsr Turbo 300whp 210tq 1993 sunset orange pearl Honda Civic Si Turbo- sold

09-05-2007, 09:18 PM	#22
Schister66 Man U FTW Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 8,236	Well the guy you knew either did something wrong and didn't want to admit it, pushed it too hard or was simply an unlucky guy...i can't say that shit doesn't happen. With a turbo setup you ARE putting a lot more stress on an engine and will therefore be causing more wear. I'm not saying that my engine is going to make 200,000 miles without a problem, but its not going to break tomorrow. Also, once it does go, i'm building it...not selling the setup like the other quitters __________________ Bullseye Powered 1999 GSR S256 + 9.8:1 built LS/VTEC + E85 = 450whp DD

09-06-2007, 08:47 PM	#23
Bignel00 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 236	Re: (Schister66) you got a point, nothing last forever anways, keep this goin !!! __________________ so jdm that even my tooth brush is wrinkle red http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif

09-06-2007, 09:31 PM	#24
DB777 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon, United States of America Posts: 6	Re: (Bignel00) how do you boosted guys feel about going up into the hills. Do you ever find it hard to manage the car because of the spool, as in power surging when you don't want it because it starts to spool and pull too quick. I guess what I am saying is all motor sounds like a more usable powerband to play with as far as the track and cornering goes. I'm the noob so I am not saying I'm right, just more want to hear what you have to say.