x_tc-Dae

Hey does anybody have HID's on their cars yet? I checked the bulb and ours is only 9003 and no kits I have found used 9003. So does any one know where I could get some HID's for the FIt?

ekferio

if i remember correctly, the fit uses H4 bulbs. check out fitfreak.net

007FIT

yes the fit does use an H4 buld i got this kit 12K but havnt had time to put it in aswell as the megan header

TunerN00b

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Wow, a 12K HID kit in a reflector? I seriously hope this is a show car, because it has no business on the street after you swap the lights.

Please see the Automotive Lighting, Color, and You thread in the Tech/Misc forum, if you need more information.

Seriously, please do NOT install those lights if you drive your car on the street.

743power

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Wow, a 12K HID kit in a reflector? I seriously hope this is a show car, because it has no business on the street after you swap the lights.

Please see the Automotive Lighting, Color, and You thread in the Tech/Misc forum, if you need more information.

Seriously, please do NOT install those lights if you drive your car on the street.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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007FIT

they goin on hahah the reflector is coming off to ill post pics will install saturday morning

Nighthawk R18

HT member "koolkevin1107" is selling some i think. he has some on his car right now i believe

x_tc-Dae

Thanks, I did not know the 9003 were same as H4. I'm hoping to get some 5000k or 6000K HID lights for the car. When I do get it i'll post up some picture.

Groovinator

6000K and no issues with cutoff.

1dumbscreenname

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cool. wouldnt mind seeing a pic at night.

Groovinator

get it up this weekend for yah.

TunerN00b

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I'll call that outright lie. Park the car 20 feet from a wall, and take a picture of the beam pattern. You show us a picture of blue headlights that are even glaring in the camera from that angle, without showing the light dispersion pattern, and tell us you have no issues with cutoff?

Can you not see the physical difference between a proper HID projector and a reflector based halogen headlamp?

That is not a good cutoff. That is glare for oncomming traffic. Throwing a rebased HID capsule in a halogen reflector is illegal, should be illegal, and I hope you get the ticket you deserve for rudely placing others in danger from your useless appearance mod.

I'm done with this thread. You can't educate those who don't care about what they do to others who share the road with them.

Groovinator

did i ever say its as good as an s2000 hid?

and thats a neon, not a fit.

I never said it was perfect, just that i don't have any issues with extra glare (did the headlight adjustment)

and who said that factory hid's don't blind? they may be better than non-factory but man they are still bright as hell... Sorry that i've pissed you off

SuzukaBlueAP2

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and thats a neon, not a fit.
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So prove the difference.

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and who said that factory hid's don't blind? they may be better than non-factory but man they are still bright as hell </TD></TR></TABLE>

Bright does not institute blinding. I have a 1 million candlepower spotlight that is only blinding if I were to look right at it. I can look at it from any angle and I'm fine. The same idea can apply to headlamps.

Servo

I'm so sick of this same comparison being reposted whenever anyone buys an HID kit. You do realize you are comparing a projector to a reflector, right? Have you ever seen a halogen projector (Integra)? It has nearly as sharp of a cutoff as an HID projector. Did you know that there are also factory HID reflector lamps? Those must have terrible glare, too. No reflector cutoff will EVER be as sharp as a projector; HID or halogen. That doesn't mean you are throwing mAd gLaREZ yO! Each HID kit combined with each reflector housing will create a slightly different beam pattern. There is no possible way to lump all reflector HID setups into "glare-inducing garbage". Please, at least give someone the benefit of the doubt until you see their beam pattern.

-Darren-

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this person has a point

accordselux

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Servo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm so sick of this same comparison being reposted whenever anyone buys an HID kit. You do realize you are comparing a projector to a reflector, right? Have you ever seen a halogen projector (Integra)? It has nearly as sharp of a cutoff as an HID projector. Did you know that there are also factory HID reflector lamps? Those must have terrible glare, too. No reflector cutoff will EVER be as sharp as a projector; HID or halogen. That doesn't mean you are throwing mAd gLaREZ yO! Each HID kit combined with each reflector housing will create a slightly different beam pattern. There is no possible way to lump all reflector HID setups into "glare-inducing garbage". Please, at least give someone the benefit of the doubt until you see their beam pattern.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well if you look at a reflector based OEM HID setup, you'll see the cutoff is fuzzy but DOES NOT GLARE, and that the reflector was specially designed for that task. I've seen a few HID kit pictures from fitfreak.net and it's not as bad as some i've seen, but it's still god awful.

In my Accord i've gone through

Stock halogen
Sylvania +10s
Sylvania cool blue
Sylvania Silverstar
5300k HID 'kit'
HIR bulbs
Philips Night Hawks.

I can honestly say my HID kit's glare was pretty bad, and the light output on the ground was pretty much matched by the HiR bulbs, which are still halogen. Most HID kits provide a LOT more light, but not really useful light. I have better success with brighter halogen bulbs on my housings, and there's glare even on THOSE.

Believe me i've spent 400+ bucks on different stopgap lighting solutions for my car and NOTHING will do as well as a retrofit, so I went back to halogen bulbs.

corey415

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I have a hid kit with my DC4 Integra. The color and sharpness of the beam is not close to an OEM HID projector in my opinion.

People who put hid kits into halogen reflectors need to understand that there are potential glare issues. I hate it when people post head on pictures of halogen reflector hid kits and say no glare yet they dont post a freakin wall cutoff shot.

entityzero

Some info I would like to add of which some of you already may or may not know:

D2R hid bulb = OE non-projector reflector base headlamp
D2S hid bulb = OE projector base headleamp


You simply cannot assume the type of glare or light output on an individual car's headlamp as all headlamps are engineered differently. Some have better reflective than others etc. Just looking at it and looking at pictures is not enough. You would have to do actual research & development testing. Newer vehicles on the market do have better designed headlamps and will have better cut offs and aims. This makes picture comparisons inccorect in some cases & not an effective comparison.

For example: the Mitsubishi Evo utilizes a headlamp that uses a projector does both hologen & hid bulbs and it does it correctly. The 94-01 Integra's are not a good example as their projectors are engineered for hologen. There are many more vehicles on the market that can also do this and is non-projector base.

There are also tricks you can do like customizing the headlamp with different reflective parts or painting areas that cause glare black or gunmetal so it doesn't reflect.

Servo

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Well if you look at a reflector based OEM HID setup, you'll see the cutoff is fuzzy but DOES NOT GLARE, and that the reflector was specially designed for that task. I've seen a few HID kit pictures from fitfreak.net and it's not as bad as some i've seen, but it's still god awful.

In my Accord i've gone through

Stock halogen
Sylvania +10s
Sylvania cool blue
Sylvania Silverstar
5300k HID 'kit'
HIR bulbs
Philips Night Hawks.

I can honestly say my HID kit's glare was pretty bad, and the light output on the ground was pretty much matched by the HiR bulbs, which are still halogen. Most HID kits provide a LOT more light, but not really useful light. I have better success with brighter halogen bulbs on my housings, and there's glare even on THOSE.

Believe me i've spent 400+ bucks on different stopgap lighting solutions for my car and NOTHING will do as well as a retrofit, so I went back to halogen bulbs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Every application is going to vary. Some housings will work well, some won't. Heck, even the brand of HID kit will affect the beam pattern/amount of glare in two identical housings. And in the end there is a spectrum of cost/benefit solutions. I think HiR bulbs would be a near perfect cost/benefit, but not everybody (including myself) can use them. Nor are $1000+ retrofits an option for everyone.

I'll also admit that some/slight glare is ok in my opinion. Here's my rationale for that... I live in Colorado, and there is hardly a road around here where you will not experience glare from OEM HIDs at least once every 30-45 seconds during average traffic volume. There are just too many dips/crests/curves/other irregrularities in the road surface to avoid your line of sight being below the cutoff of an HID beam. Auto-leveling does not compensate for all of these situations. If you consider the amount of time it takes for your pupil to readjust after experiencing a glare situation (minutes), you basically lose any benefit that a sharp, well-adjusted, auto-leveling cutoff will grant you. I am not endorsing that anyone drive around with HIDs beaming into the windows of all traffic on the road. But I do believe that an HID kit with slight glare will have the same or less adverse conditions on other traffic as an OEM HID system. (I also realize that "slight glare" is a subjective term.)

Servo

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I have a hid kit with my DC4 Integra. The color and sharpness of the beam is not close to an OEM HID projector in my opinion.
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But you're using a halogen projector. Anytime an HID bulb is used in a housing meant for halogen bulbs there is the potential for glare. That goes for reflectors and projectors. Granted the potential is less for projectors, but it is still there. Each housing is designed around a certain focal-point for the light source. Any time that point is shifted, there is a potential for glare. The amount of glare is going to depend on how far the focal-point is moved and how much tolerance the housing has to a shifted focal-point.

Servo

Does anyone have a pic of a beam pattern from a Fit?

Groovinator

sorry it took so long, hadn't had the fit out at night the past little while,

this was around 20-25 feet out. you can see a little glare heading up but I don't think that much is creating havoc.

but who am I to decide,

Servo

The two-toned wall makes it a little hard to tell, but it seems pretty good to me. And you could probably all but eliminate the glare with a little "precision painting".

mr poo

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but who am I to decide,

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look back at the neon with the hid projectors, notice how the top part of the cut off is too dark to be seen compared to the brightness of what is being projected to the ground?

now look at your picture, notice how the top half of your "cutoff" is illuminated just about as much as the ground? this, from the pov of oncoming traffic will be interpreted as glare

also notice your hot spot, most of your "light output brightness" is concentrated in that area which is far from ideal

no, hid lighting in halogen housing is not perfect, but it is far from good too