bjfisher

im doing a mild turbo build on my 163k mile b18c1, shooting for 400whp with my gt35r. im building the block only, with JE 9:1 pistons, Eagle H Beam Rods and ARP rod bolts and head studs.

my main concern is the sleeves, and i do not want to put out the money to have my block Benson sleeved like i would in a perfect world. ive heard negative things about block guards, and i also know that another option is block posting. what do you guys suggest i do. of course, i want it to be reliable, as this is a daily driven car.

also, what head gasket should i use, and what kinda bearings ACL or OEM hondas?

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

Wait for the money and sleeve. Since its daily driven, as you say..

0VisualAutoMotoring

400whp is on the threshold but many many people have done it before. Just make sure you check the block out and make sure everything is a-ok. But again many people have done that or more on stock sleeves.

A stock gasket is the way to go although we have had good success with Cometic gaskets also.

Most people would go with OEM bearings but we use ACL Standards in most of our builds and they do just fine. ACL Standards are oversized so most machine shops can machine it to the exact specs.

95BlkGSR

im in the same boat ...

Cp pistons, Manley Rods ACL bearings

its my Daily Driver and im worried about sleeves

will check back on opinions also

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Lonnieboosted

Sleeve it unless you want to end up like my old block. this wasn't a DD and it had DFI management on there with Race gas.

bjfisher

^^ did you have a good tune? how much power were you putting out?

Lonnieboosted

The tune was fine, this was in 2000, really dont know how much power, but I used to give single turbo Supras the break

quicksilver1689

let that be an example the stock sleeves can only take soo much pressure and stress until they distort or crack.

teamsoy1320

not to thread jack but why is every one scared of stock sleeves

Lonnieboosted

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Look above

BoostedEG6

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well you also have think that tunning and the tunning softwear has come a long way since 2000. I have seen alot of 500+whp cars on stock sleeves and they have lasted for a long time.

But it comes down to your tune and your build. If its built good and tunned good then you wont have a problem.

bjfisher

yeah, tunning has so much to do with it. i live in ohio and im considering driving to PA to have jeff evans tune it, im not sure yet though

turbotime

there are people making 600whp on stock sleeves, its all in the tune... 400whp on stock sleeves will be fine as long as the tune is spot on, and you dont overboost/mishshift you have nothing to worry about

bjfisher

^^ cool, thanks for the reassurance

Snafubmx234

It comes down to your piston-to-wall clearance and tune.

If you run what the piston manufacturer says, then you'll be fine (with a good tune).

KeyserSoze

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Dont forget to mention that this is 600whp on RACE gas! Pump gas is a totally different story......

OP: Are you going to run race gas or just pump gas? Unfortunately I live in cali and all we have @ the pump is shitty 91. I will be using a mix of 91 and 100 LL avgas.

bjfisher

what do you mean? im running stock size 81mm pistons

bjfisher

ill be running premium daily, here in ohio i can get 92+93

cuin9sec

i hit 395whp on stock gsr...dont see why 400 wouldnt be a prblem as long as its tuned properly.

bjfisher

how long have you been drivin it?

SovXietday

Drive around on a low boost setting as a DD and get a good tune.

ringgold

Im a believer in stock sleeves. Others are right, if the tune is good and done by a trustworthy tuner they will hold some power. Mine have been holding 300whp+ for a little while now, and Im not sure what my piston/wall clearance is, but I beat on my engine when I drive it and it holds just fine on 93 octane. Its not a daily car but could be.

My motor has about 5k on it now with a mild build like you are wanting to do. If it last till 10k or so Im going to rebuild it again and more than likely go up to a 81.5mm bore on the same stock sleeves. Maybe shoot for 400whp+ on that setup when the time comes.

bjfisher

good to hear. and yeah my low boost/dd will be set around 200whp

Soccerking3000

where in ohio are you from? if you dont mind me asking, as for keeping stock sleeves, you'll be fine its no problem

bjfisher

just east of columbus