Pay2play killa

I've been reading into E85 more the last few days, at first I was of the opinion that it was a waste of time but after doing a bit more research this stuff can REALLY have some potential on a turbo motor. I'm about to move to around Denver CO and they have E85 there, here in texas we dont. I'll be investing in some monster sized injectors to try this stuff out on my built LS buildup. Maybe even build a high compression D-series again to take advantage of ethenol's properties.

Since Ethenol isn't as evil as Methenol you can run it in your car without having to change so many parts out you'll just need the obvious bigger injectors. Cars built after 88 are supposed to be able to handle 10% Ethenol mixes.

Anyway i'm just curious if anyone else is playing with this stuff? I'm starting to hope it gains some sort of a hold in the market, maybe not mainstream to keep prices sane but popular enough to get performance oriented people intersted.

/edit: Here is a picture so more people click the thread

abnaasefmb

Agreed, hopefully it will take a foothold. My love for cars is first. It's good to see that performance is still strong in the minds of automakers they are even building high performance electric cars. We really need to become energy self-sufficient, it would be nice to give the middle east the figure!

onemanlan

http://www.turbomustangs.com/s...094.0

That topic has been on turbo mustangs for a while. It's a good read. The only thing I know about E85 is that it requires a frequent amount of oil change compared to regular gasoline.

MidShipCivic

Search helps I was in a thread like this telling what you should change in your car to run E85.

The requirement of this fuel are higher your mpg goes down.

The goverment also somehow pays ppl for using this fuel I dont know how.

Meat_Wagon

I just got my car tuned on it last week. Nothing beats paying $2.39 a gallon for 105 octane fuel.


Modified by Meat_Wagon at 1:09 AM 5/1/2006

95GSRTT

do you have to change anything out to run e85 on honda motors?

MidShipCivic

You must change anything in the fuel line thats not alcohol compatible.

ccivic

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Except that stoich for Ethanol is ~8.49:1 I believe.. compared to 14.7:1 for Gasoline. Meaning that you have to run quite a bit more E85 to run your engine-- your savings aren't really savings.

MidShipCivic

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You should be able to run leaner than gas for cruise conditions. Ethanol is great for that, it has great cooling abilities like methanol.

MidShipCivic

Did I forget to say that ethanol was 20% cheaper than 87 octane when hurricane katrina was doing damage it should be cheaper right now then reg gas.

99_GS-T

If you are running more fuel (about 65% more) but it's only marignally cheaper, it will cost more to run the car on it.

However, I do think it has some advantages over race fuel and I think the street classes may consider it to be legal considering it is a street legal fuel.

boosted92

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Except that stoich for Ethanol is ~8.49:1 I believe.. compared to 14.7:1 for Gasoline. Meaning that you have to run quite a bit more E85 to run your engine-- your savings aren't really savings. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Compare the price of E85 to the price of getting 104 unleaded from Sunoco at the pump and you see why you save a lot of money.

Pay2play killa

65% more; you're fuc'kin crazy.

Ethenol can run on a much WIDER afr band than gasoline, lean burning it won't melt parts like gas will. Stoich AFR for E85 is 9.7:1 max power is around 7:1 but again you can use a very wide band of AFRs here.

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Yes retrofieting cars you'll see losses but high compression and turbo motors will benefit in the performance aspect.
Ford... of all people found out that using E85 over gas in a lot of their motors they got VERY simliar MPG ratings and about 5% more power on E85, remember these are on low compression american built turd motors that go in escapes and fu'ckuses

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No you wont; again do some reasearch. Since 88 the governement has required all cars made to be ready for 10% ethenol mix; that means they replaced whatever parts may be incompatible. Even still Ethenol is not hardly as corrosive as methenol so even in pre 88 cars the only main concern is the alcohol drying out ruber parts (o-rings and fuel lines)

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yea i saw this thread; and as far as I knew ethenol could be ran just like gas; same oils; same addative packages; same change intervals

MidShipCivic

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No you wont; again do some reasearch. Since 88 the governement has required all cars made to be ready for 10% ethenol mix; that means they replaced whatever parts may be incompatible. Even still Ethenol is not hardly as corrosive as methenol so even in pre 88 cars the only main concern is the alcohol drying out ruber parts (o-rings and fuel lines)


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I've been there and done that, you do reasearch .

''hardly corrosive as methanol'' no its a step down from it it will still eat aluminum and fuel pump brushes.

10% mix that aint good for **** if your doing ethanol might as well quit playing with your dick and use E100.

Pay2play killa

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MidShipCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've been there and done that, you do reasearch .

''hardly corrosive as methanol'' no its a step down from it it will still eat aluminum and fuel pump brushes.

10% mix that aint good for **** if your doing ethanol might as well quit playing with your dick and use E100.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i have done reasearch; most people that have ran this **** just poured it in and ran with it. No holy fuel rails or gushing fuel lines.

MidShipCivic

Respectivley its something that happens over time.

teg racer 877

so what if your tuned for reg. gas and then you put this e-85 in, what will it do? run lean?

Pay2play killa

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yea; pretty much. E85 needs more timing and more fuel as there is less energy per gallon of E85 than gasoline

JalopySiR

Great E85 writeup on NASIOC:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forum...03341

lsintegra9

intresting. where i live in Mass. we dont sell e85 but all the gas stations have switched over to 10% ethenol mix. the gas station at my work(super stop and shop) just switched to 10% ethenol, i thought it would help the price but didnt do anything at all.

Meat_Wagon

If you read the turbo mustang write up, you see he is still running all stock lines for almost a year i believe. With e85 there is still 15% gas to lubricate things. Not like straight ethanol which could dry seals and lines out.

As far as gas mileage, i get about 22mpg on the highway which is less than gasonline. But it does take roughly 20-50% more ethanol to equal the same amount of gas.

I ran -8an braided line with a bosch external fuel pump for my setup. Not because of the ethanol but for the power levels i want. I would not hesitate to run it with stock lines.

And the best part is after beating on my car the intake manifold is not even warm because e85 burns cooler.

Bense

I'm glad to see that there's another one of these threads going. I did a lot of research a while back on getting this stuff to run in my civic that I am about to put a natural gas engine in. But concluded that there just weren't enough current people researching this on hondas for me to attempt this project just yet.

My main concerns would be that I'd have to replace the fuel lines that go underneat the car. Like from the fuel tank to the firewall.

Good thing my bone stock d16 comes with 12.5:1cr and stainless valves This will be an excellent engine to try this on.

Bense

If it's just the fuel hose that has the issue, I thought about doing this to overcome the issue (if it in fact even exists)
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1527379

Bense

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Instead of being a search ****, why not just provide a link to the other thread

MidShipCivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Instead of being a search ****, why not just provide a link to the other thread</TD></TR></TABLE>

Instead of making 3 post of bs, why dont you try running the fuel first.

Buzz off.