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There has been a lot of confusion i think in what welding is, and what the do's and dont's are to welding in general. A lot of people wanting to get started, make there own stuff ect.. and need a little guidance into welding. This is only my opinion, and stuff that i have learned thru out the past couple of years as i work towards my welding engineering degree. ok lets get started.

Mig welding: Also known as gmaw or gas metal arc welding. An arc created between a continiously fed filler metal and and the weld pool. either has an externally supplied shielding gas with or without pressure

*Uses heat of the continuosly fed electrode and the work piece
*Arc melts the base metal
*The melted filler material is deposited into the weld pool
*An external shielding gas must be supplied (usually a co2 argon mix)
*Gas can be active co2 or argon base wich is considered and inert gas
*inert gas: a gas that does not change no matter what the conditions in heat.

Types of transfer for the gmaw process:

*Short circuit: This is the most common type of transfer. Uses .023-.045 dia wire. Fast frrezing puddle with minimal distortion. Metal only transfers when contact is made between the base metal and the filler metal. Happens at the lowest welding current and volts 14-23 v and 100-270 amps. Sounds like crackling bacon when you are welding.

This is what it looks like.

Equiptment needed:

Power source- Constant voltage, variable amperage direct current.
Wire feeder-Deliver filler metal at a constant speed to the puddle. Controls gas flow.
Welding gun (torch)-Carries electrode from feeder to the weld pool. Also delivers gas and the electical power to the weld zone.
Gas supply-Inert or active shielding gas with a regulator or flow meter.
Wire supply-This is determined on the process that you are doing, and should be consulted with your local welding dude that know's what he is doin.

Globular transfer: This is the first transfer that came out. And is rarely to never used on here. It is exactly what it is. Glob's of shit on your metal.

*Higher voltages and wire feed speeds 22.5v-24v and 165-365 amps
*Metal starts to transfer thru the arc and forms into large droplets onto the metal.
*Produces heavy spatter and has a very unstable arc

Looks like this

Spray arc transfer: Highest voltage and amps 24 volts and above with 135-500 amps

*Uses 5% to 10% co2 mis with argon or oxyegen.
*Forms very small droplets of metal
*Very good stability
*Very little spatter
*Limited on positions of applications tho.
*needs better equiptment to run this process.


looks like this.

Pulsed mig: Newest type of transfer.

*Current switches between a high and a lower value
*Low value is below the transition point of the electrical cycle and there is no transfer fo metal in this stage.
*Higher value Is higher than spray arc transfer and this is where the transfer of metal happens.
*these cycles can happen between 60-3000 times per second.
*This also requires a special power source and is not really needed for the do it yourselfer, but if your on a production line, and you go from 50 lbs an hour with short circuit transfer, and you switch to a power source or transfer type that can produce you twice as much weld with better quality the investment is worth it.

The transfer looks like this.

Keep in mind this is all generalized, and people are coming out with such new stuff now days that the welding industry is almost changing as fast as computer technology. Such as millers new accupulse transfer that i just got to try out yesterday. It was amazing, and is a transfer between pulse spray and short circuit all in one. It is truely amazing.

Mig welding has also adopted some new types of filler metal into the welding family.

Metal cored wire: New filler metal family that combines the efficiency of solid gmaw wires and the productivity of flux cored wires.

Lower fume generation
95-98% efficiency rating
No slag
Reduced cold lapping
Improved sidewall fusion.

This is done in the spray transfer mode and provides litttle to no spatter whatsoever.

This wire is a tubular wire with metallic element filler in the inside of the wire to match different welding applications.

Concept of this: Nearly all electiral current travels thru the outter shell of the wire, while the metallic filler in the middle mixes in with the puddle so you can weld different alloyed metals. Gets better wider slightly shallower penetration profile.

Flux cored wires:An arc between an continuously fed filler metal and the weld pool. This process is used with a shielding contained in the tubular electrode and can be used with our without an externally supplied shielding gas depending on the wire you are using. A lot of the harbor freight cheepo welders use fluxcore.

You may see it like this. FCAW-SS=Self shielded
FCAW-GS=Gas shielded

The fluxing is contained on the inside of the wire, and the flux covers the metal after you weld it to protect the weld from the atmosphere causing porosity and such. Must be chipped off like a stick weld.

Filler metal reading. If you ever look at your filler metal you may see some different types of letters and numbers. Well these do mean something and here is what they mean.

For example.
E70t-10

Ok here is what goes down.
E=electrode
7=Tensile strength usually x's 10 or ksi
0= Flat or horizontal position filler metal if it was a 1 it is all positions
T=In this one it means it's a flux cored wire.
10=Indicates performance and usablility of the filler metal.

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Tig welding: Also known as GTAW or gas tungsten arc welding.

A welding process which joins metals by heating them with a non consumable tungsten electrode with a With a shielding gas that is externally supplied inert gas. Either argon or inert gas mixes.

*Welds more types of metal (for now)
*Can weld disimmilar metals
*Filler metals can be added seperatly'
*Temps of up to 35,000 deg's F

This provides a highly concentrated welding arc and a pin point haz or heat affected zone if done right. There is no flux or slag, no sparks or spatter, and creates little noise smoke, or fumes.

The downside is low deposition rate and requires the highest level of skill of any welding process.

This is the process that you see come out of welds like this.

I hope cody doesn't mind me stealing one of his pics. He is a very very very good welder. I have seen him in person, and all i can say quality!


To be honest with you, This is the the true craftsman type of welding. But From what i have been seeing going to miller demo's and lincoln demo's they are coming out with power source technology that is very very fast, and very very good getting as good or if not better weld quality from the pulsed mig process. With stainless, and aluminum. They even have programs on some of the new machines coming out that you can weld exotic metals with, and the best part about a lot of the machines is that they have upgradable software. So when they come out with a new metal that you want to weld on, they can program the welder to do so. It is pretty amazing and can all be done with a palm pilot and a media cord.

I don't see this process going anywhere ever, but i think it will change the quality standards of american manufacturing yet again.





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Ok as far as tig welding aluminum. I left this one for last for now. I don't feel like typing too much anymore, so i will therefore keep this brief. You just can't go out and weld with any ol filler metal on any ol aluminum you feel like.

Aluminum is great for many applications

It has Great ductility.
Light weight
resists corrosion
Non sparking
Non toxic
Good electrical conductivity
good thermal conductivity.

Designation of alloy groups
1xxx Pure copper 99% and greater Must be welded with a 1000 series filler metal. Not heat treatable.
2xxx copper (not weldable) Considered mostly not weldable. Heat treatable.
3xxx Manganese Used largely for castings, must match filler material exactly. Not heat treatable.
4xxx silicone Weldable. Not heat treatable.
5xxx magnesium Weldable. Not heat treatable.
6xxx Magnesium and silicone Weldable, But may need heat treating. Heat treatable.
7xxx Zinc Not weldable. Heat treatable.
8xxx other elements Weldable on alloy or heat treat.

1xxx,3xxx,4xxx,5xxx alloys gain strength from cold working, and can be welded with out without filler metal.

2xxx,6xxx,7xxx series aluminums use heat treating for strength, and if they are weldable they must have matched filler metal in order to prevent cracking when welding.


Anyone can feel free to add info on here. I am but one person learning as i go along. The best part about this is you can learn anything from anyone at anytime. I hope that someone can look at this and see what they need to do or how to fix there problem in the future.





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ANyone else have any input?





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bookmarked this page. thanks for the info!



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Yah my fingers got kinda sore, but i think that if it can help someone thru a problem, or begin to make something easier it was worth it. Great info, and if you have any questions i can try and answer them the best i can.





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Man nice write up im gonna read it in the am



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may i ask how the weld bead is SO wide on that manifold above? i have never been able to figure it out?



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muliple passes... you do a root pass then another pass to fill the gap and make everything look pretty



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^^^ what he said. Usually uses some kind of tungsten movement too, but everyone has there own way of doing it.





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on that manifold at least it looks like cody did a ))))) type of movement... some people go /\/\/\/\ etc... everyone has their own way they are comforible with, i personally like to do almost like tirangles when i'm filling gaps like that



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Yeah dude you don't even need my help

I'll write up the welding alphabet soup translations when I have some time if no one beats me to it.




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Great post! Good info that I didn't know.

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^^^ lol



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Thanks! I'm glad i could help out.

no drama in this one. Just helpful hints, and 4sillypwr's dictionary.





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Quote, originally posted by wade »
may i ask how the weld bead is SO wide on that manifold above? i have never been able to figure it out?

It appears that he used a technique called "walking the cup" which is rolling the cup back and forth on the workpiece in the ))))) motion.



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I am in the process of purchasing a mig for my house. This means I am limited to 115v unles I pay to turn it into 220v (not gonna happen). My main use for the mig will be body work (sheetmetal ie. filling body holes, new quarter panels), Mount fabrication (rad, gas tank) and other minor jobs like that. What should I look for on a Mig? What should I steer away from? I am also taking a welders course this summer.

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when it comes to something like that....you really should upgrade. But since it's not going to happen and you don't need very much penetration when it comes to sheetmetal work, i think you could be fine. My advice would be go to a welding supplier, (not home depot) and tell them your situation, and see if they have a welder that will suit your needs. I think you will be suprised to find what they have to say. Also ask them what shielding gas and wire they would reccomend. Different wires, and shielding gases can make it easier to shape and keep heat away from the metal in some cases. But yah ask the scuzzy dudes at the local welding shop and see what they have to say.





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i go to college for welding right now so i might be able to help out with any questions as well if you want a wider bead you can go slower or turn your heat up so if you have really skinny beads you should either slow down or use less wire or if your beads look like the <<<< you should slow down a little and they will look more like (((( but ya just tryin to help

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