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Excellent info
Only thing is about the B20.Low hp only in B20b.(B20z=146hp)
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Haha, yeah I figured you guys would like that. Hell, half of the people on here have taken their stockers off and painted them or bought the ITR/CTR covers, so that's a pro.
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HOWEVER - Note that the H22A mounts on a bit of a slant. This puts the weight of the drivetrain a little further forward on the car. Drag racers probably don't care, but it makes the car more nose-heavy for us autocrossers - i.e. more understeer.
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wow, so all of the what swap threads and I can't even make it off the first page on this one?
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hahah go figure.
so some of the jdm itr axles are 36mm instead of 32mm at the hub; but they're still the same as others on the tranny end. and likewise, any jdm itr tranny is like other B series ones. correct? just wanted to clear that up ... basically if you're getting a jdm itr swap complete with axles, you need to get other B series axles instead for an eg+ civic - unless you've got the front hubs off the itr also. |
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This (Might be a bit too extensive?)but oh well --------------------- HONDA ENGINE SWAP GUIDE-------------------------------- GEN. YR-MODEL-CNTRY-CHASSIS-ENGINE-DISP-COMP-HP/TORQUE-TRANNY 5G ’94-’97 Accord DX/LX USA CD F22B2 2156 8.8:1 130hp@5300/139lb-ft@4200 5G ’94-’97 Accord EX USA CD F22B1 2156 8.8:1 145hp@5500/147lb-ft@4500 5G ’94-’97 Accord SiR Japan CD H22 2157 10.6:1 190hp@6800/152lb-ft@5500 4G ’90-’91 Accord USA CB F22A4 2156 8.8:1 130hp@5200/142lb-ft@4000 4G ’90-’93 Accord USA CB F22A1 2156 8.8:1 125hp@5200/137lb-ft@4000 4G ’91-’93 Accord USA CB F22A6 2156 8.8:1 140hp@5600/142lb-ft@4500 4G ’90-’93 Accord 2.0Si Japan CB F20A (twincam) 1997 9.5:1 150hp@6100/137lb-ft@5000 3G ’88-’89 Accord USA CA A20A3 1955 9.3:1 122hp CIVIC 6G ’99-’00 Civic Si USA EM B16A 1595 10.2:1 160hp@7600/111lb-ft@7000 S4C 6G ’96-’00 Civic EX USA EJ D16Y8 1590 9.6:1 127hp@6600/107lb-ft@5500 6G ’97+ Civic Type R Japan EK B16B 1595 10.8:1 184hp@8200/118lb-ft@7500 6G ’96+ Civic SiR II Japan EK B16A 1595 10.4:1 168hp@7800/116lb-ft@7300 S4C 6G ’96+ Civic Vti Europe EK B16A 1595 10.4:1 168hp@7800/116lb-ft@7300 5G ’92-’95 Civic Si USA EG/EH D16Z6 1590 9.2:1 125hp@6600/106lb-ft@5200 5G ’92-’95 Civic SiR Japan EG B16A 1595 10.4:1 168hp@7800/116lb-ft@7300 Y21 and SiRII 4G ’89-’91 Civic Si USA ED D16A6 1590 9.1:1 108hp@6000/100lb-ft@5000 4G ’88-’91 Civic DX USA ED D15A 1493 92hp@6000 L3 4G ’90-’91 Civic EX USA ED D16A6 1595 113hp@6200 L3 4G ’89-’92 Civic 1.6i/VTi Europe EE/ED B16A1 1595 10.2:1 158hp@7600/111lb-ft@7000 Y1 (opt. LSD) 4G ’88-’91 Civic Si Japan EF ZC 1595 9.6:1 129hp@6800/106lb-ft@5700 L3 4G ’89-’92 Civic SiR Japan EF B16A 1595 10.2:1 158hp@7600/112lb-ft@7000 Y1 (opt. LSD) (hatch) 4G ’90-’91 Civic SiR Japan EF B16A1 1595 10.4:1 160hp@7600/111lb-ft@7000 3G ’86-’87 Civic Si USA AH EW4 1488 8.7:1 91hp@5500/93lb-ft@4500 GM 3G ’86-’87 Civic Si Japan AT ZC 1595 9.6:1 129hp@6800/106lb-ft@5700 CG CR-X/DEL SOL 5G ’94-’97 DelSol USA/Europe EG B16A3 1595 10.2:1 158ps@7600/112lb-ft@7000 Y21 VTEC/Vti-T 5G ’92-’95 CR-X/ USA EG D16Z6 1590 9.2:1 125hp@6600/106lb-ft@5200 del Sol Si 5G ’92-’96 del Sol Japan EG B16A 1595 10.4:1 168hp@7800 Y21 or S21 CR-X SiR 4G ’88-’91 CRX Si USA ED D16A6 1595 113hp@6200 4G ’88-’91 CRX DX USA ED D15A1 1493 92hp@6000 L3 4G ’89-’92 CR-X 1.6i/VTi Europe EE B16A1 1595 10.2:1 158hp@7600/111lb-ft@7000 Y1 (opt. LSD) 4G ’90-’91 CR-X SiR Japan EF B16A1 1595 10.4:1 160hp@7600/111lb-ft@7000 4G ’89-’92 CR-X Si16/1.6i Japan EF ZC 1595 9.6:1 129hp@6800/106lb-ft@5700 4G ’89-’92 CR-X SiR Japan EF B16A 1595 10.2:1 158hp@7600/112b-ft@7000 Y1 (opt. LSD) 3G ’84-’87 CR-X HF USA EF D15A2 (carbed) 1488 58hp 3G ’85-’87 CR-X Si USA AD EW4 1488 91hp@5500/93lb-ft@4500 GM 3G ’85-’87 CR-X Si Japan AS ZC 1595 9.6:1 129hp@6800/106lb-ft@5700 CG INTEGRA 3G ’94-’00 Integra GS-R USA DC B18C1 1797 10.0:1 170hp@7600/128lb-ft@6200 Y80 3G ’94-’00 Integra USA DC B18B1 1834 9.2:1 142hp@6300/127lb-ft@5200 S80, Y80 LS/RS/GS 3G ’97-’98, ’00 Integra Type R USA DC B18C5 1797 10.6:1 195hp@8000/130lb-ft@7500 S80 3G ’95-’97 Integra SiR Japan DC B18C 1797 10.6:1 178hp@7600/129lb-ft@6200 Y80,S80(opt. LSD) 3G ’95-’00 Integra Type R Japan DC/DB B18C 1797 11.0:1 197hp@8000/134lb-ft@7500 S80 LSD 2G ’90-’91 Integra GS USA DB B18A1 1834 9.2:1 130hp@6000/121lb-ft@5000 YS1 2G ’92-’93 Integra GS USA DB B18A1 1834 9.2:1 140hp@6300/121lb-ft@5200 YS1 2G ’92-’93 Integra GS-R USA DB B17A1 1678 10.0:1 160hp@7600/117lb-ft@7000 YS1 2G ’90-’93 Integra Japan DB ZC 1590 9.0:1 119hp@6300/105lb-ft@5500 S1, A1, J1 2G ’90-’91 Integra XSi/RSi Japan DA B16A 1595 10.2:1 158hp@7600/112lb-ft@7000 S1, A1, J1 2G ’92-’93 Integra XSi/RSi Japan DA B16A 1595 10.2:1 158hp@7600/112lb-ft@7000 YS1 (opt. LSD) 1G ’88-’89 Integra USA DA D16A3 1590 9.5:1 118hp@5500/103lb-ft@5500 CG 1G ’86-’87 Integra USA DA D16A1 1590 9.5:1 113hp@6250/99lb-ft@5500 CG 1G ’86-’89 Integra Japan AV ZC 1590 9.6:1 129hp@6800/106lb-ft@5700 CG PRELUDE 5G ’99+ Prelude USA BB6 H22A 2157 10.0:1 200hp@7000/156lb-ft@5250 5G ’97-’98 Prelude USA BB6 H22A1 2157 10.0:1 195hp@7000/156lb-ft@5250 5G ’97+ Prelude SiR Japan BB H22A 2157 10.6:1 200@6800rpm/161lb-ft@5500 5G ’97+ Prelude Type S Japan BB H22A 2157 11.0:1 220@7200rpm/163lb-ft@6500 4G ’92-’96 Prelude S USA BB F22A1 2156 8.8:1 135hp@5200/142lb-ft@4000 4G ’92-’96 Prelude Si/SE USA BB2 H23A1 2258 9.8:1 160hp@5800/156lb-ft@4500 4G ’94-’96 Prelude VTEC USA BB1 H22A1 2156 10.0:1 190hp@6800/158lb-ft@5500 4G ’92-’96 Prelude Si Japan BA F22 2156 160hp@6000/148lb-ft@5000 (DOHC, non VTEC) 4G ’92-’96 Prelude VTEC Japan BB H22 2157 10.6:1 200@6800/161lb-ft@5500 3G ’90-’91 Prelude 2.0S USA BA B20A3 1958 9.1:1 104hp@5800/111lb-ft@4000 3G ’90-’91 Prelude 2.0Si USA BA B20A5 1958 9.0:1 135hp@5800/111lb-ft@4000 3G ’90-’91 Prelude Si USA BA B21A1 2056 9.4:1 140hp@5800/135lb-ft@5000 3G ’88-’89 Prelude Si USA BA B20A5 1958 9.0:1 135hp K4 THE ODDBALLS ’99+ SMX Japan B20Z 1972 9.6:1 146hp@6200/133lb-ft@4500 ’97-’98 CR-V USA RD B20B 1972 8.8:1 126hp@5400/133lb-ft@4300 Modified by rexandfx at 6:11 PM 6/1/2004
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the d16y8 is the EX motor from 96-00
and its in the SI untill 99 then the SI got the b16a in 99. this engine can very easily be dropped into a 5th gen buy just changing some wireing around. Personaly i would swap in an obd2 engine into an obd1 before i would ever do and obd0 into an obd1. because u can always not use options off of the obd2. like the crank angle sensor located in the oil pump housing. u won't use that in a 5th gen. also something to consider. to eliminate even moe usless threads. would be to search for dyno resaults and give an idea of what hp level each motor with boltons would produce. this would eliminate what 1/4 mile times or hp levels will i reach with I/H/E. just a thought. also listing what average hp level can be reached boosting a stock block might be helpfull aswell.
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i was told the only engines worth swapping into a honda are the b18, or the h22 and that the h22 is a dificult swap into a 93 civiv ex. so is my best bet going with the b18?
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It really depends on how much work you want to do after the swap. If you are going to add a turbo or do extensive internal modifications, the B18 is the best choice. However, if you just want to do a swap and forget about it, the B16A is better than the non-VTEC B18. It's cheaper and it puts out more power. The additional torque from the B18 is nice, but in stock form it's only equivalent to about 15 hp and the B16A puts out 20 hp more than the non-VTEC B18. The GSR and Type R engines are better, but they are far more expensive than a B16A (and the GSR in stock form only puts out about 10 % more torque/hp than the B16A above 5000 rpm).
The H22A is far cheaper than the GSR ITR engines and puts out more power, but you have to put a lot more money into engine mounts, axles, etc. Also, while it doesn't weigh that much more than a b18 (about 40 # including trans), it's weight is a little further forward which negatively affects handling.
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Any 92+ B series axles will work, however.
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This is the same for a D series motor in an EG or EK with stock suspension, and throwing in a B series. Will negative handling be affected? Of course. Can suspension be modified to handle that? Hmm... Same rules apply.
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I currently have a B18A1 swap in my car. The conversion wasn't that bad at all.
Injectors - I ran civic injectors for a few weeks until I could get 94+ Teg injectors. No problem. Throttle cable - B-series. You have to do this no matter the OBD. Distributor - Had to source an OBD-1 LS distributor...probably the most pricey thing. Mounts - 94+ Teg rear mount, Del Sol VTEC driver mount & Bracket. I also went with the Del Sol VTEC AC bracket to retain AC on the car. Tranny - I bought the HA Sport conversion. I hate HA Sport now [assholes to me...customer no-service], so in a few weeks I'll be coming out with my own Cable to Hydro conversion, for about 1/4 the cost of the HA Sport kit. Mine won't have the bling bling billet mount though. ECU - really any OBD-1 ECU. I had a P75 for a while...I run a P28 now [CEL for no VTEC stuff, but runs great]. Axles - 94+ Teg. AutoZone special. o2 Sensor - I drive a VX...converting to 4 wire was kind of difficult, but I got it all worked out. |
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no matter what, i still love my B18C5 w/B16 head. I took that out my old 95 Civic, banged up the 98's engine bay to get it in there.
I did that cause the 95 was pissing me off. I reccomend b16's b18's and h22s all the time
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Good to see this has been stickied and is actually getting some use. Where's my 500% dustin
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I want to do an engine swap in my car but i don't know what parts would i need. if i'm putting an Engine from an 99 Civic Si to my 95 Civic EX [u]which part will i need to bring from the SI to my Civic EX to have it work Perfect and Fast.
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I was wondering what you guys would do, i have a 96 del sol, and am going to do an engine swap, should i buy a b18b right now (have the money) or should i save and get a b16a2?
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Hey guys, good info, but i have a question... The new civic(what are they on? 7th gen now?) the 02++ models.. i was wondering how easy it is for swaps on those, or if that new series of D' motors have good potential, I wan'ted to get an RSX-S, but being practical, it costs alil too much for me for the insurance, and the gas... so i was thinking about getting a 04 civic HX, two door, drive it around for awhile stock.. then eventually do a swap. Any knowlegde to be shared? thanks guy..
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Well i don't know wheter or not this is the right thread but, i have some questions for you swappers out there.
Car-92 honda civic si engine possibilities... b16a2 b16 (out of ctr) b18(out of gsr) b18c5 Now here are the questions... 1.When i swap the motor in, if it is a jdm motor, will i be able to use the jdm harness and ecu? or will i have to tote around on the factory d16z6 until i can get a computer upgrade? ( my love and joy before honda was Rx-7s and a jdm required a usdm harness or to extend the jdm harness) 2. Will it mate up to my current exhaust or will i have to have a custom cat pipe made? 3. What are any complications that i might run into... murphys law is always in effect when working on cars(I know i turn wrenches on Mercedes-Benz's for a living)? 4. How fast will my car?(i.e.-quarter mile times.. be a pessimist) 5. As far as upgrades go, the car will not get a turbo, as i will drive this car everyday as i do right now. What kinda gains would i get with cams and cam gears...I really dont want to pull apart the bottom end to make power? 6. I cant think of anything else. Peace thanks and kudo's to ricerton, Steve
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