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norcalcrx · 12-16-2003, 12:47 PM

Well i finally got my car tuned right. Jason(st00pid here on h-t) came to town on vacation and tuned a few cars in Livermore at Modacar. I was planning on tuning for 1bar on a stock internaled motor, but things didnt go as planned. Well here's my setup:

1994 dx hatch with 150k
1995 d16z6 with 60k
Greddy kit with 20k
small greddy ic
Hks ssbov
Hondata s200 with boost and 3 step
rc 440 cc injectors
walbro 255
Sard fuel pressure riser set at 55psi
AEM fuel rail w/gauge
Msd 6al with blaster coil
Msd plug wires
Ngk 9 series plugs gapped at .026
Unorthodox underdrive pulleys
Act 6 puck with xtream pp.
Greddy Profec A (also for this dyno tuning i ran a turbo xs hp mbc as i was having spikeing issus with the profec a)
Greddy turbo timer

The rest of the motor is stock. My best numbers of the day were 250whp and 251wtq . This was at 10 psi. For some reason i had a spiking issue with the mbc also. It would spike to 12 psi at 5k then settle to 10 psi at 55k (I have since resolved the issue whith the ebc so it holds within 0.5 psi with no spikeing.) So we had to pull a huge amount(7 degrees) of timing out right there in that row, because it would ping for those 500 rpms. It actually messed with the dyno graph as you can see. All in all i am very happy with this setup. As soon as jason comes back we can tune that section back in and will be able to boost a few more psi.

Sorry for the bad image of the dyno, the scanner we used was old and this is the best we could get out of it.

EDIT: Disregard the af on the bottom as we tuned with an FJO unit. The probe on the dynojet get popping out the exhaust and gave some funky readings.

Modified by norcalcrx at 8:59 PM 12/16/2003

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SiRkid · 12-16-2003, 12:50 PM

5thgencivic · 12-16-2003, 12:52 PM

Man those are some nice numbers on stock internals

The bar continues to be raised. It's amazing.

12-16-2003, 12:59 PM

some how i fail to believe how you made 150whp over stock with a very small turbo

I remember jason tuned another d16 vtec, that had a built block, 3" DP and exhaust and that car made 251@15psi, i just dont' understand how your making more hp with a small turbo @ 10psi than Every other dyno ive seen of d16's with t3/to4e @ the same boost...

Finest · 12-16-2003, 01:01 PM

18G perhaps?

TRE_ · 12-16-2003, 01:01 PM

damn that torque number is insane... congrats man!

norcalcrx · 12-16-2003, 01:02 PM

Jason was pretty amazed with it also and dont forget this is on 91 octane as well. When he was tuning the low cam profile it made 167whp at 5psi.

norcalcrx · 12-16-2003, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98CTRCoupe

18G perhaps?

Nope stock greddy sohc kit. 15g

Cyberdx16 · 12-16-2003, 01:03 PM

damn those are some nice ###'s. what are u expecting for a 1/4 time??

12-16-2003, 01:04 PM

just to let you know i wasn't dissing your numbers at all

i guess its just one of those miracle things

norcalcrx · 12-16-2003, 01:05 PM

I understand. We all believe its one of those freak motors.

lmblf8 · 12-16-2003, 01:05 PM

Wow for stock internals and that setup, am VERY impressed!

Now go out and kill some rice

norcalcrx · 12-16-2003, 01:06 PM

I am hoping for mid 12's if i can get some bigger slicks. Right now i run 20x6x14's.

gitwidit · 12-16-2003, 01:12 PM

holy torque... awseome numbers man

sohc

VTC_CiViC · 12-16-2003, 01:14 PM

I can't quite grasp how you could pull so much power from only 10psi on the same turbo that I only pulled 217whp from at the same psi.. tuned.

ELSpool · 12-16-2003, 01:18 PM

whoa! Those numbers are crazy for 10 psi..

norcalcrx · 12-16-2003, 01:19 PM

Well i dont know if this makes any difference but i made one run a few months back with the wastegate held open on a different tune at 0 psi we made 132 at the wheels. Here is a link to what my car made just running the blue box at 5 psi.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=411246

blackeg · 12-16-2003, 01:21 PM

sweet ass numbers. the torque is amazing

mrnicolas · 12-16-2003, 01:23 PM

I can vouch for Toby's numbers. I scanned the pic this morning for him and have it right here next to me. It is a freak motor for sure. Good numbers man, the torque is what makes me go WHOA!!

Here is a close up scan of his numbers.

ladysman · 12-16-2003, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTC_CiViC

I can't quite grasp how you could pull so much power from only 10psi on the same turbo that I only pulled 217whp from at the same psi.. tuned.

I can't either. Great Number nonetheless!!!!

I am also amazed you are using 9 series plugs. That is like having an Ice Cube trying to ignite the fuel! Why so cold?

TAG · 12-16-2003, 01:24 PM

Congrats again man. VERY nice #s!

...whenever I drive my car now, my motor says it's jealous of your motor

I'm getting my Profec B tomorrow. I'm looking forward to getting some more power out of my setup because Jason had to keep things a little tame during my tuning (since the little ball valve MBC we borrowed was still spiking a little)

maddog20 · 12-16-2003, 01:25 PM

Congrats!

Man I'd like to see what a BAR would have been!
SHIT!

norcalcrx · 12-16-2003, 01:27 PM

Well its was all i had at the moment. So i gave them a try. It seems to be a working combo.

12-16-2003, 01:29 PM

how much more could you get out of that turbo? i have heard its not very effiecent past 250whp...

VTC_CiViC · 12-16-2003, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mpir3

how much more could you get out of that turbo? i have heard its not very effiecent past 250whp...

If he can pull that much out of only 10psi, I'm sure the 15G will hang tough through 14-15psi, say 290ish whp which is frikin nuts

12-16-2003, 12:50 PM	#2
SiRkid Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Canada City Posts: 5,380	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (norcalcrx) __________________ 00 Si , 99 Dx, 92 DSM AWD-T http://www.di.fm RIP Earl Laskey

12-16-2003, 12:52 PM	#3
5thgencivic Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,175	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (norcalcrx) Man those are some nice numbers on stock internals The bar continues to be raised. It's amazing. __________________ My vouch thread

12-16-2003, 12:59 PM	#4
TurboJesse Guest Posts: n/a	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (5thgencivic) some how i fail to believe how you made 150whp over stock with a very small turbo I remember jason tuned another d16 vtec, that had a built block, 3" DP and exhaust and that car made 251@15psi, i just dont' understand how your making more hp with a small turbo @ 10psi than Every other dyno ive seen of d16's with t3/to4e @ the same boost...

12-16-2003, 01:01 PM	#5
Finest Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 4,876	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (Mpir3) 18G perhaps?

12-16-2003, 01:01 PM	#6
TRE_ Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chandler., Arizona Posts: 9,685	damn that torque number is insane... congrats man! __________________ <FONT SIZE="1">http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emcocktl.gif '06 Si. <FONT COLOR="gold">WORK</FONT><FONT COLOR="blue">emotion</FONT><FONT COLOR="red">.HFP</FONT></FONT>

12-16-2003, 01:02 PM	#7
norcalcrx Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albion, Ca, usa Posts: 1,025	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (Mpir3) Jason was pretty amazed with it also and dont forget this is on 91 octane as well. When he was tuning the low cam profile it made 167whp at 5psi. __________________ 07 Taffeta White Fit Sport 5mt (WeaponR SW intake) 94.2 whp 91.4 wtq 94 DX Hatch w/ D16z6 Stock motor Greddy turbo kit Hondata s200 250 whp and 251 wtq @ 10 psi (stOOpid tuned) 12.8 @108 on 10psi 13.1 @104.7 on 9psi 13.73 on street tires MY CAR* http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=707635

12-16-2003, 01:04 PM	#10
TurboJesse Guest Posts: n/a	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (norcalcrx) just to let you know i wasn't dissing your numbers at all i guess its just one of those miracle things

12-16-2003, 01:05 PM	#11
norcalcrx Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albion, Ca, usa Posts: 1,025	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (Mpir3) I understand. We all believe its one of those freak motors. __________________ 07 Taffeta White Fit Sport 5mt (WeaponR SW intake) 94.2 whp 91.4 wtq 94 DX Hatch w/ D16z6 Stock motor Greddy turbo kit Hondata s200 250 whp and 251 wtq @ 10 psi (stOOpid tuned) 12.8 @108 on 10psi 13.1 @104.7 on 9psi 13.73 on street tires MY CAR* http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=707635

12-16-2003, 01:05 PM	#12
lmblf8 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL YAY and Mystic/Groton, CT BOO, USA Posts: 142	Wow for stock internals and that setup, am VERY impressed! Now go out and kill some rice __________________ Looking for a 93-98 6-Spd Supra (Twin Turbo NO red exterior) or 92-00 SC300 (must be 5-spd, preferably black interior).

12-16-2003, 01:06 PM	#13
norcalcrx Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albion, Ca, usa Posts: 1,025	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (Cyberdx16) I am hoping for mid 12's if i can get some bigger slicks. Right now i run 20x6x14's. __________________ 07 Taffeta White Fit Sport 5mt (WeaponR SW intake) 94.2 whp 91.4 wtq 94 DX Hatch w/ D16z6 Stock motor Greddy turbo kit Hondata s200 250 whp and 251 wtq @ 10 psi (stOOpid tuned) 12.8 @108 on 10psi 13.1 @104.7 on 9psi 13.73 on street tires MY CAR* http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=707635

12-16-2003, 01:12 PM	#14
gitwidit Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Traverse City, MI Posts: 2,149	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (norcalcrx) holy torque... awseome numbers man sohc __________________ Another Retired Setup- 400whp, 304wtq D16 http://www.turbod16.com http://www.lovefab.com

12-16-2003, 01:14 PM	#15
VTC_CiViC Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Naples, Fl, USA Posts: 8,553	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (norcalcrx) I can't quite grasp how you could pull so much power from only 10psi on the same turbo that I only pulled 217whp from at the same psi.. tuned. __________________ Dave

12-16-2003, 01:18 PM	#16
ELSpool Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 1,359	whoa! Those numbers are crazy for 10 psi.. __________________ Acura 1.6EL - D16Y8 11.22@125mph - Sold

12-16-2003, 01:19 PM	#17
norcalcrx Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albion, Ca, usa Posts: 1,025	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (VTC_CiViC) Well i dont know if this makes any difference but i made one run a few months back with the wastegate held open on a different tune at 0 psi we made 132 at the wheels. Here is a link to what my car made just running the blue box at 5 psi. http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=411246 __________________ 07 Taffeta White Fit Sport 5mt (WeaponR SW intake) 94.2 whp 91.4 wtq 94 DX Hatch w/ D16z6 Stock motor Greddy turbo kit Hondata s200 250 whp and 251 wtq @ 10 psi (stOOpid tuned) 12.8 @108 on 10psi 13.1 @104.7 on 9psi 13.73 on street tires MY CAR* http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=707635

12-16-2003, 01:21 PM	#18
blackeg Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: schooling kids in ny, usa Posts: 6,790	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (VTC_CiViC) sweet ass numbers. the torque is amazing __________________ hx coupe 2652lbs - lsvtec--318whp/241wtq 12.54@115.57 on bfg's 92 hatch---415whp/300wtq in '07 425whp/286wtq in '08 2410lbs 12.1@125.5 1bar boost @etown fall nats

12-16-2003, 01:23 PM	#19
mrnicolas Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Fort Bragg, CA, USA Posts: 1,364	I can vouch for Toby's numbers. I scanned the pic this morning for him and have it right here next to me. It is a freak motor for sure. Good numbers man, the torque is what makes me go WHOA!! Here is a close up scan of his numbers. __________________ Vouch Thread http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=769009 DB Squad Member #304

12-16-2003, 01:24 PM	#21
TAG Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Nor Cal, ca Posts: 657	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (norcalcrx) Congrats again man. VERY nice #s! ...whenever I drive my car now, my motor says it's jealous of your motor I'm getting my Profec B tomorrow. I'm looking forward to getting some more power out of my setup because Jason had to keep things a little tame during my tuning (since the little ball valve MBC we borrowed was still spiking a little) __________________ NorCalCRX Club http://www.norcalcrx.org Black 90 CRX Si .....

12-16-2003, 01:25 PM	#22
maddog20 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mason, OH, USA Posts: 567	Re: (mrnicolas) Congrats! Man I'd like to see what a BAR would have been! SHIT!

12-16-2003, 01:27 PM	#23
norcalcrx Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albion, Ca, usa Posts: 1,025	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (ladysman) Well its was all i had at the moment. So i gave them a try. It seems to be a working combo. __________________ 07 Taffeta White Fit Sport 5mt (WeaponR SW intake) 94.2 whp 91.4 wtq 94 DX Hatch w/ D16z6 Stock motor Greddy turbo kit Hondata s200 250 whp and 251 wtq @ 10 psi (stOOpid tuned) 12.8 @108 on 10psi 13.1 @104.7 on 9psi 13.73 on street tires MY CAR* http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=707635

12-16-2003, 01:29 PM	#24
TurboJesse Guest Posts: n/a	Re: My D16z6 dyno numbers from 12/12/2003 at Modacar 250whp 251wtq (norcalcrx) how much more could you get out of that turbo? i have heard its not very effiecent past 250whp...

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