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MrProF3ssional · 11-04-2009, 03:57 PM

Okay, so i have decided to get into Road racing/Auto cross and i'm currently in the process of purchasing a new car, now i want to go with the one that would have the best setup for my new hobbie. so here it goes.

Car number 1: 2000 civic si, type r motor putting down 205whp.

Car number 2: 1996 civic, B20b built on boost putting down 280whp on 10psi, but was built to handle way more.

So if you guy's were in my shoes what would be the best ride to go with, Both cars priced the same.

And please if you have nothing good to say keep your comments to your self just trying to get into something new and looking for new people to meet along the way. Thanks.

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CanadianBacon52 · 11-04-2009, 03:59 PM

i like the 96 civic idea. and i feel it might be more relyable

MrProF3ssional · 11-04-2009, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanadianBacon52

i like the 96 civic idea. and i feel it might be more relyable

Thanks man, come people lets keep this on top help me out here.

MrProF3ssional · 11-04-2009, 04:26 PM

bump..

MrProF3ssional · 11-04-2009, 04:49 PM

......

STN_Pat · 11-04-2009, 04:53 PM

buy the b20 one and sell the turbo

TunerN00b · 11-04-2009, 06:21 PM

Neither.

Either of those would put the car into a class that they'll need a ton of prep work to be competitive.

If you're just getting into auto-x and/or roadracing, you want a nice stock car to learn with.

At one point in time, I was in your shoes, trying to pick a somewhat powerful car to have fun with. I ended up doing the right thing, and learned to auto-x in a stock GSR. Over time, as my skill improved, the car was updated to go along with it.

MrProF3ssional · 11-05-2009, 06:30 AM

Thanks guys.. lets keep it coming.

1genCL · 11-05-2009, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TunerN00b

Neither.

Either of those would put the car into a class that they'll need a ton of prep work to be competitive.

If you're just getting into auto-x and/or roadracing, you want a nice stock car to learn with.

At one point in time, I was in your shoes, trying to pick a somewhat powerful car to have fun with. I ended up doing the right thing, and learned to auto-x in a stock GSR. Over time, as my skill improved, the car was updated to go along with it.

I agree!

If you're a novice, you're much better off starting with a stock vehicle, not modded at all. It will be infinately easier to learn on, and give you time to focus on refining your driving skills.

Motor swaps are going to put you into a insanely cometitive class, and you're going to wind up spending more time trying to modify the car to be competitive instead of the driver.

MrProF3ssional · 11-05-2009, 07:55 AM

K sounds good, so i just found a 00 si untouch.

Driven · 11-05-2009, 07:59 AM

Geo Metro with a 'busa motor in it.

that's what I would do.

patinum · 11-05-2009, 08:17 AM

Depends on what your goals are. Eventually looking to do Honda challenge? Time attack? SCCA autox? Or just looking to have fun?

If you're just looking to have fun, I'd go with a stock civic si. Fun and fast enough stock.
Otherwise, consider a miata.

MrProF3ssional · 11-05-2009, 09:07 AM

For now just looking to get some seat time and really see if it's something i can put more time and money into.

Davidss · 11-05-2009, 09:54 AM

Does the type r swap have the lsd?

MrProF3ssional · 11-05-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Davidss

Does the type r swap have the lsd?

Yes sir..

dirty19 · 11-05-2009, 10:40 AM

Maybe some good old fashioned research would help?
Read the forum and see what the majoirty of the members are driving.

Dont bump this to the top because number one you arent the only member to post asking us for an opinion on what to buy. That question has been asked hundreds of times.
Two ,Stinky will lock your thread. Read the FAQ first there is plenty of information there that you can start off with.
Read, research!
The best advice i can give you, has already been given.
Your a novice with no track experience.. so buy something stock run it.
Get seat time, when you learn how to control a stock vehicle then you start making slow improvements to the car.
You dont need to buy a car with a swapped motor and get in way over your head.
Start slow and educate yourself.
Horespower does you no good if you cant control it!

TunerN00b · 11-05-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MrProF3ssional

K sounds good, so i just found a 00 si untouch.

If the price is right, that is a perfect starter car to get into motorsports with.

Stock Honda reliability, good handling, cheap maintenance, reasonable power.

And once you can push the car to its limits stock, there are a plethora of performance parts available for it.

MrProF3ssional · 11-05-2009, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirty19

Maybe some good old fashioned research would help?
Read the forum and see what the majoirty of the members are driving.

Dont bump this to the top because number one you arent the only member to post asking us for an opinion on what to buy. That question has been asked hundreds of times.
Two ,Stinky will lock your thread. Read the FAQ first there is plenty of information there that you can start off with.
Read, research!
The best advice i can give you, has already been given.
Your a novice with no track experience.. so buy something stock run it.
Get seat time, when you learn how to control a stock vehicle then you start making slow improvements to the car.
You dont need to buy a car with a swapped motor and get in way over your head.
Start slow and educate yourself.
Horespower does you no good if you cant control it!

Totally understand, Research would most likely answer all my question but then again my main question was out of the two cars which would be best i understand that a stock car is what most would go with. Once again thanks for all your answers. I'm going to pick up the stock Si tomorrow.

MrProF3ssional · 11-05-2009, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TunerN00b

If the price is right, that is a perfect starter car to get into motorsports with.

Stock Honda reliability, good handling, cheap maintenance, reasonable power.

And once you can push the car to its limits stock, there are a plethora of performance parts available for it.

That's what i was thinking, thanks man.

Stinkycheezmonky · 11-05-2009, 12:52 PM

Looks like you got your answer

Good luck with it.

For the record, this guy:

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanadianBacon52

i like the 96 civic idea. and i feel it might be more relyable

Doesn't know what he's talking about. No way will a turbo B20 be more reliable than a mildly built ITR motor.

MrProF3ssional · 11-05-2009, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stinkycheezmonky

Looks like you got your answer

Good luck with it.

For the record, this guy:

Doesn't know what he's talking about. No way will a turbo B20 be more reliable than a mildly built ITR motor.

Lol.. yeah i can tell.

dirty19 · 11-05-2009, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrProF3ssional

Totally understand, Research would most likely answer all my question but then again my main question was out of the two cars which would be best i understand that a stock car is what most would go with. Once again thanks for all your answers. I'm going to pick up the stock Si tomorrow.

Good call keep it stock and go have fun with it and learn..

rice_classic · 11-05-2009, 01:34 PM

What class do you want to run in? Both in Auto-X and Road racing?
What conferences? NASA? SCCA? Local Conference?
How many cars are competitive in that class(s) that you want to run in?
What is the average annual cost to race in that class/series?

dirty19 · 11-05-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rice_classic

What class do you want to run in? Both in Auto-X and Road racing?
What conferences? NASA? SCCA? Local Conference?
How many cars are competitive in that class(s) that you want to run in?
What is the average annual cost to race in that class/series?

Looks like you need to do some reading of the FAQ too??
many questions are answered in the FAQ

Davidss · 11-05-2009, 09:57 PM

Buy the car with the LSD.

Do a compression test first.

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TunerN00b Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Culver City, CA, United States Posts: 4,563	Re: Question..... Neither. Either of those would put the car into a class that they'll need a ton of prep work to be competitive. If you're just getting into auto-x and/or roadracing, you want a nice stock car to learn with. At one point in time, I was in your shoes, trying to pick a somewhat powerful car to have fun with. I ended up doing the right thing, and learned to auto-x in a stock GSR. Over time, as my skill improved, the car was updated to go along with it.

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MrProF3ssional Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: ...., NY, USA Posts: 20	Re: Question..... Thanks guys.. lets keep it coming.

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MrProF3ssional Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: ...., NY, USA Posts: 20	Re: Question - which car to get for track and autocross K sounds good, so i just found a 00 si untouch.

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Driven Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 3,689	Re: Question - which car to get for track and autocross Geo Metro with a 'busa motor in it. that's what I would do. __________________ "Straights are for fast cars. Turns are for fast drivers." RIP Homer... My '90 Honda CRX HF Uh Oh...

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patinum Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Gotham City Posts: 185	Re: Question - which car to get for track and autocross Depends on what your goals are. Eventually looking to do Honda challenge? Time attack? SCCA autox? Or just looking to have fun? If you're just looking to have fun, I'd go with a stock civic si. Fun and fast enough stock. Otherwise, consider a miata. __________________ My Videos 2008 Honda S2000 CR

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MrProF3ssional Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: ...., NY, USA Posts: 20	Re: Question - which car to get for track and autocross For now just looking to get some seat time and really see if it's something i can put more time and money into.

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Davidss Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 199	Re: Question - which car to get for track and autocross Does the type r swap have the lsd?

11-05-2009, 10:40 AM	#16
dirty19 Ridin Dirty in Cali 1993 Honda Civic Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tracy, Ca Posts: 885	Re: Question - which car to get for track and autocross Maybe some good old fashioned research would help? Read the forum and see what the majoirty of the members are driving. Dont bump this to the top because number one you arent the only member to post asking us for an opinion on what to buy. That question has been asked hundreds of times. Two ,Stinky will lock your thread. Read the FAQ first there is plenty of information there that you can start off with. Read, research! The best advice i can give you, has already been given. Your a novice with no track experience.. so buy something stock run it. Get seat time, when you learn how to control a stock vehicle then you start making slow improvements to the car. You dont need to buy a car with a swapped motor and get in way over your head. Start slow and educate yourself. Horespower does you no good if you cant control it! Last edited by dirty19; 11-05-2009 at 10:55 AM.

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rice_classic Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 2,742	Re: Question - which car to get for track and autocross What class do you want to run in? Both in Auto-X and Road racing? What conferences? NASA? SCCA? Local Conference? How many cars are competitive in that class(s) that you want to run in? What is the average annual cost to race in that class/series?

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Davidss Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 199	Re: Question - which car to get for track and autocross Buy the car with the LSD. Do a compression test first.

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