paypal issues

[laziebun]

what would you guys do and who do you think will win the case? this was my discription: "RLD-FAB Equal Length manifold. No isuse at all T3/T4 flange and 38mm external WG. Selling AS IS. Email for more info and pictures. Laziebun@hotmail.com" And someone emailed me a question asking if there were any cracks or leaks and i said no to both. Which is true there wasnt any cracks or leaks at all. The buyer did not do his reasearch before buying the manifold. He thought that "T3/T4 ment that either a T3 or a T4 turbo will fit. Which is incorrect. T3/T4 is a type of hybrid turbo they make, which gives them a class of their own. T3 and T4 are two completely DIFFERENT turbos. The buyer has a T4 turbo and that does not work with this manifold. He should have email me before bidding to DOUBLE check and make sure that it would fit. As you see above in my ad "email me for more pictures and info" So now that his turbo doesnt fit, how do i know he didnt purposely put the crack in the manifold himself? I asked him twice through email to see pictures of the crack and he has sent no pictures at all. First he said the shop will charge him $200.00 to fix it right then it was $250.00 to fix it right. so his creditbilty is a little sketchy. At the begining of the bid he also used two names to bid on the item on ebay then he didnt pay right away. So that i would be force to offer it to the second highest bidder at a lower cost, which was still him. So as you can see its hard to trust someone credibility when everything been "fishy" I have 100% positive feedback on ebay and im not here to rip anyone off. The item was also SOLD AS IS I have emails and text showing all of this.

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[ricodemus]

1) it's "issues"
2) You should only have said T3 flange since its the T3 side that bolts up
3) Buyer sounds shady to bid on 2 names, you're probably gonna get ripped off somehow, but perhaps you deserved it. Who knows if there was a crack

[Dogginator]

Paypal will most likely screw you. We will see.

[951parts]

Originally Posted by laziebun

what would you guys do and who do you think will win the case?

this was my discription:
"RLD-FAB Equal Length manifold. No isuse at all T3/T4 flange and 38mm external WG. Selling AS IS. Email for more info and pictures. Laziebun@hotmail.com"
And someone emailed me a question asking if there were any cracks or leaks and i said no to both. Which is true there wasnt any cracks or leaks at all.
The buyer did not do his reasearch before buying the manifold. He thought that "T3/T4 ment that either a T3 or a T4 turbo will fit. Which is incorrect. T3/T4 is a type of hybrid turbo they make, which gives them a class of their own. T3 and T4 are two completely DIFFERENT turbos.
The buyer has a T4 turbo and that does not work with this manifold. He should have email me before bidding to DOUBLE check and make sure that it would fit. As you see above in my ad "email me for more pictures and info"

So now that his turbo doesnt fit, how do i know he didnt purposely put the crack in the manifold himself? I asked him twice through email to see pictures of the crack and he has sent no pictures at all.
First he said the shop will charge him $200.00 to fix it right then it was $250.00 to fix it right. so his creditbilty is a little sketchy. At the begining of the bid he also used two names to bid on the item on ebay then he didnt pay right away. So that i would be force to offer it to the second highest bidder at a lower cost, which was still him.
So as you can see its hard to trust someone credibility when everything been "fishy"
I have 100% positive feedback on ebay and im not here to rip anyone off.
The item was also SOLD AS IS
I have emails and text showing all of this.

t3/t4 = t3 flanged, take the manifold back.

relist it.

[oneludesol]

during the paypal resolution process offer for him to send it back to you to have it repaired, and take it to a welding shop to have the crack tigged, shouldn't cost more than $25. also, suggest to him to buy an adapter flange. Moral of the post is to show paypal that you are working diligently to come to a resolution with your buyer, otherwise they will screw you.

[laziebun]

Originally Posted by ricodemus

1) it's "issues"
2) You should only have said T3 flange since its the T3 side that bolts up
3) Buyer sounds shady to bid on 2 names, you're probably gonna get ripped off somehow, but perhaps you deserved it. Who knows if there was a crack

Perhaps I deserved it? Seriously? have we meet before?

the item was sold AS IS. He should have asked for more pictures. I left my email in the description area i had nothing to hide.

So maybe there's a crack in there now from the buyer because that the only way he think he would get a full refund.

[turboteg2nv]

I voted for "buyer wins" simply because of VtecKidds thread about his lawsuit pending against GayPal.

Good luck.

[951parts]

Originally Posted by laziebun

Perhaps I deserved it? Seriously? have we meet before?

the item was sold AS IS. He should have asked for more pictures. I left my email in the description area i had nothing to hide.

So maybe there's a crack in there now from the buyer because that the only way he think he would get a full refund.

buy a budget GTAW machine, tungsten (red stripe) is like $3 a rod and lasts for a good while and some 316L(or if you know the grade of the manifold buy that) filler (i use 1/16")

and just weld it yourself.

hit the leading edge of theweld pool, don't do something stupid like pump the pedal, you probably want to be in the 75-100 amp range depending on how heavy you are with the pedal.
and the thickness of the stainless steel of the manifold

pedal about half way when starting your arc then when you see the pool starting to get flat start letting off until you see a "water puddle" looking pool of hot metal.


i know the welder is more expensive than just paying to get it done, but when you have it, you can save so much money fixing stupid little shit around the house

[laziebun]

the item was sold AS IS....i just offered him $100 refund

[ricodemus]

Originally Posted by laziebun

Perhaps I deserved it? Seriously? have we meet before?

the item was sold AS IS. He should have asked for more pictures. I left my email in the description area i had nothing to hide.

So maybe there's a crack in there now from the buyer because that the only way he think he would get a full refund.

Or maybe you lied and there was a crack, who knows? You are saying he should have asked for more pictures, but what does that prove? He asked you if there were cracks and you said that there were not. Why would he need pictures? If it arrived cracked then it is not his fault. See how this is difficult with only one side of the story?

[austinkli]

Originally Posted by oneludesol

during the paypal resolution process offer for him to send it back to you to have it repaired, and take it to a welding shop to have the crack tigged, shouldn't cost more than $25. also, suggest to him to buy an adapter flange. Moral of the post is to show paypal that you are working diligently to come to a resolution with your buyer, otherwise they will screw you.

I can'r stop watching your avatar, I know it will never happen, but I want him to pounce

[B16Drag]

If it arrives and weighs LESS than what you sent it, dont accept it. If you do get it, open it before you sign for it.

[mrdeadman]

You will most likely be screwed unless you play your cards right.

[0554]

well you had an error in your listing. You listed it was a t3/4 manifold. Yes i know the hybrid turbo blah blah. You should have only listed it as a t3 flanged manifold. Just offer him a refund. You listed it wrong. Reweld it and list it right as a t3 flanged manifold.

[SDT Project EF]

Originally Posted by oneludesol

during the paypal resolution process offer for him to send it back to you to have it repaired, and take it to a welding shop to have the crack tigged, shouldn't cost more than $25. also, suggest to him to buy an adapter flange. Moral of the post is to show paypal that you are working diligently to come to a resolution with your buyer, otherwise they will screw you.

lol where do you get your estimates? You can't just ballpark a number without seeing the cracks. I mean I have seen manifolds that only need $25 in repairs , I have seen some that need $80. I have seen some that need to be replaced altogether.

Clearly the buyer doesn't know too much about turbos. T3/T4 I think most educated people would assume a T3/T4 turbo. If you wrote T3 or T4 flanged then it would be different. However, a lot of buyers don't really know much. This could have been easily avoided if you asked what kinda turbo he wanted to use. I think you should have taken the manifold back if it was just that, but now there are cracks that were not there before. I'd say it's his now.

[SDT Project EF]

Originally Posted by 951parts

buy a budget GTAW machine, tungsten (red stripe) is like $3 a rod and lasts for a good while and some 316L(or if you know the grade of the manifold buy that) filler (i use 1/16")

and just weld it yourself.

hit the leading edge of theweld pool, don't do something stupid like pump the pedal, you probably want to be in the 75-100 amp range depending on how heavy you are with the pedal.
and the thickness of the stainless steel of the manifold

pedal about half way when starting your arc then when you see the pool starting to get flat start letting off until you see a "water puddle" looking pool of hot metal.


i know the welder is more expensive than just paying to get it done, but when you have it, you can save so much money fixing stupid little shit around the house

ARE you seriously trying to coach someone tig welding over the internet? Seriously? GTFO

[mrdeadman]

Originally Posted by SDT Project EF

lol where do you get your estimates? You can't just ballpark a number without seeing the cracks. I mean I have seen manifolds that only need $25 in repairs , I have seen some that need $80. I have seen some that need to be replaced altogether.

Clearly the buyer doesn't know too much about turbos. T3/T4 I think most educated people would assume a T3/T4 turbo. If you wrote T3 or T4 flanged then it would be different. However, a lot of buyers don't really know much. This could have been easily avoided if you asked what kinda turbo he wanted to use. I think you should have taken the manifold back if it was just that, but now there are cracks that were not there before. I'd say it's his now.

It isn't his responsibility to make sure the parts fit on the buyer's car though.
It is the buyer's responsibility to make sure they fit. If the buyer asked him if it would fit and the op said yes it would, then it would be the OP's fault though and thus the op should offer a refund in return for the part back.

[0554]

Originally Posted by SDT Project EF

lol
This could have been easily avoided if you asked what kinda turbo he wanted to use. .

Could have easily been avoided if he would have listed it as a t3 flanged manifold and not a t3/t4 flanged manifold. Plain and simple paypal will side with the buyer on this one.

Also OP where is he saying the manifold is cracked at?

[SDT Project EF]

Originally Posted by 0554

Could have easily been avoided if he would have listed it as a t3 flanged manifold and not a t3/t4 flanged manifold. Plain and simple paypal will side with the buyer on this one.

Also OP where is he saying the manifold is cracked at?

Ok so maybe the OP didn't really know what he had either. However I don't see t3/t4 as being an error in the listing. Sure if he listed it as t3 there wouldn't be an issue, however a t3/t4 turbo does bolt right up to it.

I think the buyer is at fault because he didn't know what he needed to buy in the beginning.

Also now the product is damaged and no longer in the same condition it was sold in. I wouldn't take back a damaged product. If the product was in the same condition i might consider taking it back.

However the bidder was in the wrong to double bid on the item. So with that I say f*ck him.

A simple google search would have solved all the issues the buyer had. The seller wasn't claiming to be an expert. If it was a business I'd expect them to take it back. But this is the internet and used parts

[951parts]

Originally Posted by SDT Project EF

ARE you seriously trying to coach someone tig welding over the internet? Seriously? GTFO

ilearned it at a 6 week course enough to get a sheet cert in it.

you can learn how to weld a simple bead in flat on SS (one of the easier metals IMHO) over the "internet"

it's not as complex as you people seem to make it.

only thing easier to weld is aluminum,its so big and so little required to do.

once you get alum down pat, move onto mag its bright, and lookslike a bad alum weld whn you're doing it (contaminated tungsten) but you'll get it.

[laziebun]

Originally Posted by 0554

Could have easily been avoided if he would have listed it as a t3 flanged manifold and not a t3/t4 flanged manifold. Plain and simple paypal will side with the buyer on this one.

Also OP where is he saying the manifold is cracked at?

He claimed its crack in the center where all the pieces meet together.....But he still hasnt sent me ANY pictures. I asked for it 4 times now.

[951parts]

Originally Posted by laziebun

He claimed its crack in the center where all the pieces meet together.....But he still hasnt sent me ANY pictures. I asked for it 4 times now.

tell him to buy a new collector

http://www.burnsstainless.com/MergeC...ollectors.html

then send him the the weld-fab section here and have one of the very skilled guys do an install for him (most people in that section own their own fab shop and typically do repair work)

is it this kids my first turbo build or something?

buying a used turbo manifold, not checking flange types, kid sounds like one of the ricers on zilvia

[Ass$nyper]

Originally Posted by Dogginator

Paypal will most likely screw you. We will see.

My vote also lies with paypal as the winner.

[laziebun]

Well paypal emailed me and said buyer wins. So paypal sucks! and the damn kid still hasnt sent any pictures at all. So will ebay refund me the fee they cahrge me for selling the item?

[nbcivic]

first report his 2 screen names.