sayyoooon

for 30k i'll buy a beamer or something.

rileyrat

No, there is however a Mugen RR:



Ohh, and can't forget the Mugen RR Advance, Mugen's next monster Civic.


Honda is selling about as many Si as they expected, most Americans still have the "It's just a Honda" mentality. Then they see things like the Cobalt SS and think the cars are in the same class, or that the Cobalt will be worth more than 6-8 grand in 5 years. (Not hating on the Cobalt SS, it's an amazing demonstration of a well built driveline but lets be serious, the only GM car worth anything after about 5 years is the Corvette and a few random cars here and there)

You also have to realize that Honda is the best selling automaker in the world that doesn't do fleet sales. Companies can't order 200 Honda Civics in lower than base trim like you can with Toyotas and many other automakers. I lean to the idea that Honda is doing great, better than most.

vladd

i agree 100%; i will be amazed if ANY type r model ever comes to the u.s. again. from what i've heard/read, honda lost money on every itr that was sold here, and i'm sure they won't do that again. the rumors of a ctr coming to the u.s. have been circulating for the past 10+ years, and we've yet to see anything. the civic is seen as an economy car here, nothing else.

Kidnkorner

The closest Honda ever came to bringing a CTR to US soil was the EP3 and even then it was the Euro CTR.

kartman5

I live in Southern Calif. and own an Si and rarely see other Si's. I use mine as a daily driver and put around 23,000 miles a year. There really arent that many out here.

07SIcpe

lol it took over a year for the dealership i bought my si from to sell their mugen si..that's not 'quick' to me..

K5^

Back at uci I'd see 3-4 Si's in any given parking structure.

vladd

when i was at the honda dealership about a month back they STILL had a mugen on their lot.

FijiBlueFG2

Depends on what part of SoCal. I bet you see more M3s than SIs.

sayyoooon

I see si's all over the place in san diego :X

rjHella

as a SD native i cosign to that.
hell, there's 2 SIs on my street, which is btw lower middle/middle class.
both the owners seem to be in their early 50s..

sayyoooon

Yeah, to be honest, i'm more surprised the newer civic ISN'T an si rather than it being one.

FijiBlueFG2

???
Maybe I'm just up too late...but I cannot figure out what you're saying.

What does that mean?

sayyoooon

Meaning when I see one of the newer civics, it's more of a surprise that it isn't an si than it actually is being one. How common they are around San diego :/.

kaiba

I see Si all the time here in Sacramento.

kaiba

Mugen Si rims.... LOL
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/pts/1330430500.html

camelflage

seems like it would be best served to get rid of the Si and have just the base civic and a type-r. honda parts are cheap enough anyone getting a base model could easily get the Si power out of it, and the die-hards would have a real type-r to buy..

Kidnkorner

Honda could have an SiR fairly easy by equipping the Si with all the HFP components and bumping HP by 10.

DAtIntegra35

really? sure about that? there were 1000 made. at one time, in 2007, we had 3 on our lot at my work which is a honda dealership. we dealer traded 2 and it took them 6 months to sell them. then, it took us til the end of 2008 to sell ours. people were not very interested in those cars. out of the 1000, 200 people might have put down payments in advance but no not everyone did.

Si87

I don't think that would make a huge difference, people don't want to spend 30k on a civic. The civic is the car you see that is "priced at 15,999 with 0% APR!!!", its in the same category as the corolla and mazda 3. People will spend the money on an accord because it is higher in the food chain than the civic, it pairs up with the mazda 6 and camry.

The Si appeals to a unique market and I would be surprised if Honda really does sell them left right and center (from my perspective in the North). I see a regular civic in every parking lot up here, but where I live, I have only seen a red, white and black (1 of each!) Si. No blues and I am the only ROP I have seen period.

The Type-R would fail in our market. For 30k USD, I am over at Acura.

Si87

LOL why is that a waste? In the end its still a 4-door sedan and not a rare collectors item, you can tell that by all the quotes of "it took them x months to get rid of it!" or "theres still one in the dealership that i go to!".

Its just a decorated Honda Civic, not a Ferrari.

Kidnkorner

It may not be a collectors car now but whether you want to face it or not it is a rare car and in 25 to 30 years now It will be a collectors car. I just don't see how you can say it isn't rare with you admitting it was limited to 1000 production units. Because it didn't sell well doesn't mean it isn't rare.

If I had the means to buy one it would be sitting on jack stands in my garage. But I don't have that kind of money to park a car.

Si87

You are right, it was a mistake of me to use the word rare. It is rare and had a low production number. But I still stand by the fact that I just do not believe it to be a collectors car, and that can be proven by looking at how it was saught after when it was released. In 25 years, no one is going to give a crap about an 08Si with a different body kit and wing, just like no one gave a crap when it was released in 2008.

Now if Honda redesigned the look completely (like the Type R), threw in some FI and made it a car that can compete with the Evo's/STI's, yes i'd say its something special. But its not. Its a glorified Honda Civic Si Sedan.

FijiBlueFG2

Where are you exactly?

I probably see a 3:1 ratio of Civics to SIs, but then again, I probably see at least 21 Civics a day, so...

I probably see less Civic Hybrids than SIs, come to think of it.

Si87

Ontario, a few hours east of Toronto (Kingston area).