I Thought I Knew EVERYTHING ITR RELATED...DIDNT KNOW THIS

[YellowKahuna]

Originally Posted by EG6-DC2 Please tell me where you got your information that these were an option? I have looked at the part books, the accessory books and all. These seats are not listed anywhere. I think someone wrapped them up and made up a story lol I never heard of these either untill a few days ago.

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[EG6-DC2]

Originally Posted by YellowKahuna

I think someone wrapped them up and made up a story lol
I never heard of these either untill a few days ago.

Yeah, I'm pretty positive too. Having owned a DB8 ITR, I researched everything I could. Infact, I was just looking at the Honda Access and dealer brochures for DB8's tonight.

[bluebomber]

You guys think whatever you want about these seats. The person I bought them from gave me the story behind them, so until someone can definitively tell me that these weren't offered by Honda in E-DB8 Integras, I will continue to believe my source. I didn't make up anything.

Also, a lack of these in brochures is NOT proof.

[hushypushy]

Originally Posted by Scotty2H

I guess the 4doors didn't have the plastic tray in the center?

The JDM coupes don't have the tray either.


back on topic, I was looking at the ITRx catalog, and it lists the different seat choices...



Unfortunately the scan is cut off, but the top left of the chart says "Seat color, front/rear". The top swath is obviously the body color, and it lists the possible seat combinations. It lists red/black and black/black for each one, except yellow gets yellow/black. The second and fourth sections are wheel color, but the third section is again for seat color. I'm guessing this is the 4door section as opposed to the 2door section, since there's no red or yellow. The only choices here are "black".

So, IF this red seat is indeed real, it was probably made as some sort of dealer special "secret" option, since it's not officially listed.

[EG6-DC2]

Originally Posted by bluebomber

You guys think whatever you want about these seats. The person I bought them from gave me the story behind them, so until someone can definitively tell me that these weren't offered by Honda in E-DB8 Integras, I will continue to believe my source. I didn't make up anything.

Also, a lack of these in brochures is NOT proof.

Well, if they are not in the brochures, not in the Honda Access booklets, and not in any of the Factory Honda dealer part books for any year DB8, then how would someone go about ordering this from Honda? They wouldn't b/c it wasn't available.....

[EG6-DC2]

I would have also asked to see the picture of the sticker in the door jamb of this so-called "rare" DB8 stating the red interior....

[DiRT!]

Originally Posted by EG6-DC2

Well, if they are not in the brochures, not in the Honda Access booklets, and not in any of the Factory Honda dealer part books for any year DB8, then how would someone go about ordering this from Honda?

Thats exactly what im thinking.Who knows

[rhd94teg]

nice but i highly doubt they are oem red db8 seats and not just very good rewrapped rears

[Lucky-R]

this is great conversation....i can understand the naysayers questioning the seats because i too have read EVERY single tidbit of info having to do with ANYTHING DC/DB ITR related over the past 10 years. i was obsessed....and still am in a way. so, to see this pop up just blew me away.

but on the other hand, that has to be THE BEST replicas ive ever seen done of any ITR version seat, *IF* they are replicas. they look DAMN GOOD, having owned 2 sets of red rear canadian ITR seats myself already....if these were made in a shop, the guy who made them should work for honda as a professional. friggin amazing.

BUT! let me throw this out to you my fellow ITR brethren and Type-R geeks. consider the anomaly that HONDA JAPAN has in fact in the past put out JDM Factory ITR seats that look exactly like the USDM versions in a JDM market dc2. we all know the ITRS in japan came in either Red, Black, Blue and Yellow RECAROS, but ive seen actual pics in the past from jdm imported integras sporting "USDM" itr seats that were black w/ red stitching, like the way my car came in the US. if they could do that, why not the possiblity of red rear DBs also? if there really was 2 ever made, the second set if found would be fairly convincing.

this should go into the ITR X-Files...

[EG6-DC2]

The reasoning behind seeing USDM ITR seats in some integras imported from Japan, is because there are a number of guys over there that convert their car to USDM specs. In fact I know of at least one guy there that is like the ICB of Japan, except he imports USDM parts. See it's easy to explain those seats when they actually existed in a Honda and have a part number.

[Mr.OB*GYN_Rhett]

Nolan, when you talk like this, it gets me all hot and bothered.

[bluebomber]

I don't see why it's so hard to fathom that someone could have asked the dealer in Japan for this as an option. A customized car that needs to be made especially to a certain spec anyway... why not make a set of rear seats to match the red fronts if the customer requests it? Especially if he's willing to put up the money for them.

I'll ask the person I bought them from if they can give me any more information about them.

[Lucky-R]

Originally Posted by EG6-DC2

The reasoning behind seeing USDM ITR seats in some integras imported from Japan, is because there are a number of guys over there that convert their car to USDM specs. In fact I know of at least one guy there that is like the ICB of Japan, except he imports USDM parts. See it's easy to explain those seats when they actually existed in a Honda and have a part number.

hehehe...i was waiting for someone to mention this which is actually quite obvious a reasoning and deduction. i am aware of the "usdm" conversions in japan, going as far converting to the 98+ spec US nose along with the Acura badging. however, a few years back there were some seats imported and photographed and actually discussed here on HT which were argued as originating from a true jdm-spec DC2. everything was the same as the usdm seats EXCEPT there was a unique feature about them that made them different from US seats that werent so obvious. i cant remember exactly, but any veteran here on the itr forum will be able to recall that thread and discussion with the seats in question. im gonna try and dig it up somewhere, i hope i saved the pics.

[Ramirez428]

Originally Posted by Lucky-R

hehehe...i was waiting for someone to mention this which is actually quite obvious a reasoning and deduction. i am aware of the "usdm" conversions in japan, going as far converting to the 98+ spec US nose along with the Acura badging. however, a few years back there were some seats imported and photographed and actually discussed here on HT which were argued as originating from a true jdm-spec DC2. everything was the same as the usdm seats EXCEPT there was a unique feature about them that made them different from US seats that werent so obvious. i cant remember exactly, but any veteran here on the itr forum will be able to recall that thread and discussion with the seats in question. im gonna try and dig it up somewhere, i hope i saved the pics.

the only thing i could think of that would be different would be the lumbar support on our usdm ITR's would be different on their jdm seats. so if we swapped their seats in to our car it would be on the inner passenger side, If that makes sense.

Other than that i would assume the seat belt reminder if they came with any over their would be on the opposite seat also, but im sure they can easily be swapped.

[turbo97coupe]

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...s/f9744004.jpg

these are the same seats as the ones up top , just from the guy who sold them to the current owner asking 3000 just posting it to show there not fading near as bad as the first pics make it look and u paid 850 for them i watched that auction so i know what the winning bid price was lol and what the guy who is sellng them for 3k forgot to mention is the guy he bought them from bought them in japan from local ITR owner in japan that came with red front and rears , so yes these seats are legit . just like the option to order yellow rears as long as you have the yellow fronts . neither of those options are in the manuals as they are a special order type of deal sort of like convertable CRX's . that was a dealer option too .
they are not a "factory" option there custom order "dealer" option's (the yellow and red rears are)

[bluebomber]

Originally Posted by turbo97coupe

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...s/f9744004.jpg

these are the same seats as the ones up top , just from the guy who sold them to the current owner asking 3000 just posting it to show there not fading near as bad as the first pics make it look and u paid 850 for them i watched that auction so i know what the winning bid price was lol and what the guy who is sellng them for 3k forgot to mention is the guy he bought them from bought them in japan from local ITR owner in japan that came with red front and rears , so yes these seats are legit . just like the option to order yellow rears as long as you have the yellow fronts . neither of those options are in the manuals as they are a special order type of deal sort of like convertable CRX's . that was a dealer option too .

Yes, those are the person I got them from. I did pay over 1,000 BTW with shipping.

Also, THANK YOU! I've been trying to tell everyone that these are OEM. I did forget to mention the person I got them from got them from an ITR guy in Japan, but I have mentioned that fact on NWP, OhioHondas, Team-Integra, and also here but in another thread.

I think this is about the 10th thread on these seats, not that I mind

[turbo97coupe]

well i mean i think most people are looking at it like its somthing honda planned on making as a option for these cars . that is false but... you can special order them as a "dealer option" but the red and yellow rears are still made by honda so that does make them a OEM seat

[IanBlake]

nice .. they are rare but is not the first time i see does seats on ebay

[NOFX]

Originally Posted by EG6-DC2

Well, if they are not in the brochures, not in the Honda Access booklets, and not in any of the Factory Honda dealer part books for any year DB8, then how would someone go about ordering this from Honda? They wouldn't b/c it wasn't available.....

I have to wonder if the part is not listed in Honda's literature, but the seller says this is no proof they're not OEM... then what would be proof that they're not OEM?

Originally Posted by turbo97coupe

just like the option to order yellow rears as long as you have the yellow fronts . neither of those options are in the manuals as they are a special order type of deal sort of like convertable CRX's . that was a dealer option too .
they are not a "factory" option there custom order "dealer" option's (the yellow and red rears are)

So then, if they're a dealer option, are they truly OEM then?

For example, here in the US there were leather seats available in '96-'00 Civics as a dealer option. That only meant Honda had the seats upholstered locally though. This is one reason why the leather seats don't show up in the catalogs, just like moonroofs don't show up for any trims besides the EX and Si and pinstripes and tint aren't listed either.

I don't call those parts OEM. They're often installed by Honda and were purchased through Honda, but they weren't in the catalogs and weren't made by Honda or for Honda on anything more than a one-on-one basis.

Or was there something else going on?

I don't claim to know a lot about ITRs. I just like to learn about OEM equipment.

[bluebomber]

Well NOFX, as Ive said before, you and the other skeptics are welcome to believe what you wish.

I've done as much homework on the seats as I possibly can, and have come to the conclusion that based on the story behind them, the fact that the materials exactly match my red JDM Recaro fronts, the quality behind them, and the lack of any evident tampering with the foam from the hog-nose clips, that these are OEM seats and came directly from Honda.

[NOFX]

Originally Posted by bluebomber

Well NOFX, as Ive said before, you and the other skeptics are welcome to believe what you wish.

I've done as much homework on the seats as I possibly can, and have come to the conclusion that based on the story behind them, the fact that the materials exactly match my red JDM Recaro fronts, the quality behind them, and the lack of any evident tampering with the foam from the hog-nose clips, that these are OEM seats and came directly from Honda.

What I've read in this thread basically says that the guy who sold you the seats told you that the seats were OEM. You examined the seats and found them to show evidence of having not been reupholstered and the fabrics, etc. all appear to be the same as OEM.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any other information that might prove it.

I don't care so much about these seats in particular. I just want to know the information. I like to learn about parts like this.

[bluebomber]

I'm also interested in any more information about them as well. I'd love to find a dealer brochure or what might be even more interesting: finding the other set the original seller told me is out there.

[EG6-DC2]

Originally Posted by turbo97coupe

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...s/f9744004.jpg

these are the same seats as the ones up top , just from the guy who sold them to the current owner asking 3000 just posting it to show there not fading near as bad as the first pics make it look and u paid 850 for them i watched that auction so i know what the winning bid price was lol and what the guy who is sellng them for 3k forgot to mention is the guy he bought them from bought them in japan from local ITR owner in japan that came with red front and rears , so yes these seats are legit . just like the option to order yellow rears as long as you have the yellow fronts . neither of those options are in the manuals as they are a special order type of deal sort of like convertable CRX's . that was a dealer option too .
they are not a "factory" option there custom order "dealer" option's (the yellow and red rears are)

Originally Posted by bluebomber

Yes, those are the person I got them from. I did pay over 1,000 BTW with shipping.

Also, THANK YOU! I've been trying to tell everyone that these are OEM. I did forget to mention the person I got them from got them from an ITR guy in Japan, but I have mentioned that fact on NWP, OhioHondas, Team-Integra, and also here but in another thread.

I think this is about the 10th thread on these seats, not that I mind

You are basically proving my point!
OEM = seats that HONDA made, which means it has a part #.
"Non OEM Dealer Option" = Dealer contracted out to an outside source to make the seats. Just like the Convertible CRX the top guy was mentioning. Honda never made, they were sent out to a coachworks shop for their customization.

A dealer may have done this as an option for the car, but it was contracted out to another place and was never made or authorized by HONDA themselves.

Here is an anology which would be comparable to your claim.... Calling a set of Regamaster EVO's "Spoon SW388's" b/c they are the same wheel, but different colors.

[turbo97coupe]

^^^^^^ what part of SPECIAL ORDER PART MADE BY HONDA dont you understand lol its not in the catalog because it wasnt a readily available option u had to request it ,but the seats were not made by a outside company they were made by honda .

yes its a dealer option but the seats are made by honda so that makes them oem ,since there a honda made seat. same thing goes for the jdm yellow rear seats there a dealer option too but made by honda there basically special order but you have to have the front's to match . ive only seen 1 set of the rear yellows when i was visiting japan about a year ago and the guy explained to me how he got the rear yellow seats and thats what i just explained, from what i was told while there only the 4 door 97 spec ITR's had this special option. this thread topic also made me think of the carnival yellow eg6's in japan that came with the option of yellow front and rear seats . not many people know about that option either as there rare too .

[EG6-DC2]

Dude, if the dealer ordered them from Honda, there would be a part #. It is an inventory control #, I have seen parts that "don't exist" and they STILL have a part #! I owned a '97 DB8 ITR, so naturally I looked at all of the stuff for that specific car.

These dealer option seats were made by an outside source. It's like the leather seats in a 99-00 Civic Si, the dealers had an outside source recover the seats to look OEM. I'm not doubting that a specific dealer wouldn't offer the choice of getting these done, as dealers sell upgraded cars. It's like going a buying a brand new Civic with some custom chrome wheels, the dealer had those wheels put on there, but that doesn't mean that they ordered them from Honda.