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Bozwell · 05-16-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Skunk.Werks

Thank god for an original restoration! I'm getting a bit tired of these yahoos trying to cram motorswaps into these beautiful cars

i think it is great too but i take offence to you calling me a Yahoo. you don't know me.

plus i have loads of spares which are going to others which will help them to restore or keep running standard cars. do you have a problem with that!

anyway back on topic. that is the first picture of the rear chain drive i have seen . do you intend to strip them down fully BMS250FORD (sorry, don't know your name). i'll be interested to see what they look like inside

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BMS250FORD · 05-18-2009, 06:08 AM

I have spent days scanning a very poor copy of a workshop manual. I have cropped the edges and enhanced the images, reordered pages and eventualy, reprinted a half decent copy now.

I have decided to remove the body from the chassis following the manual step by step. So far the manual seems quite good and things are coming apart surprisingly well considering the age of the bits.

Once the body is off I will start work on the running gear. I will be stripping the chain drives and replacing bearings and chains if required and will post pics.

I am missing a couple of pages from my manual. If someone has a complete copy and could email me images I would be very greatful.
You may recognise the manual edition from the page image I have attached. I have no covers or other method of identifing the manual.
It only referes to the roadster not the coupe. I'll let you know what pages I need.

DOHCIVIC · 05-19-2009, 03:41 PM

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BMS250FORD · 05-20-2009, 05:31 AM

We lifted the body off the frame today. The half ton mobile hoist easily lifted the body which seemed only about 250kg. The chassis was just rolled away on the skate. The running gear complete with exhaust system looks good on the frame. Will look better cleaned up. There isn't too many cars you can do that to.

Top Speed · 05-20-2009, 07:07 AM

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smithenhiven · 05-20-2009, 09:42 AM

Hey there. Sorry I was never able to get you a copy of the shop and parts manuals on CD. I knew I had a copy, but it somehow managed to misplace it. However, I do have original manuals, that I could scan certain pages from. If you want to let me know which pages you need, I'd be happy to scan them for you.

BMS250FORD · 05-20-2009, 07:05 PM

First of all, can you check that your page 191 is the same as above. No point talking page numbers if we don't have the same book. Then I don't have a cover image or any pages before the Contents page. Thats why I don't know what I have got. Missing pages 42 and 43 (transmission),page 237(susspension system). I think thats all.
So if you can scan and email me those 3 pages and a cover image, that would be great.

Cheers,

John

BMS250FORD · 05-21-2009, 03:43 AM

Removed the water pump today to check if it is leaking or seized. It had a build up of crap in it but it turned OK and the seals seemed OK. I will clean it up more later when I dismantle the engine but for now it is good to go for a basic engine test.

DJTowguy · 05-21-2009, 07:44 AM

Sorry I have just found a S600 Coupe that I was about to shove a 4.3 V6 Chevy Blower Motor into. I have not purchased the car yet I talked to the guy yesterday and found out what it was. I thought it was a Fiat or something ( NO DISRESPECT MENT ) I have just never seen one. So here I am doing research and see it is a very rare car.What is it worth and what should I do. It already has a Datsun 4cyl/manual trans/Regular rearend, it is left hand drive,there is alot of rust in the rocker sills,the hood scoop has been modified, everything else appears factory and in good condition , he claims it will run ,but couldn't get it started ( Datsun Motor Doesn't Matter ) , VIN AS285C-1001394 , HELP ME MAKE A DECISION! Hopefully before I chop it up into a Rat Rod.

smithenhiven · 05-21-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DJTowguy

Sorry I have just found a S600 Coupe that I was about to shove a 4.3 V6 Chevy Blower Motor into. I have not purchased the car yet I talked to the guy yesterday and found out what it was. I thought it was a Fiat or something ( NO DISRESPECT MENT ) I have just never seen one. So here I am doing research and see it is a very rare car.What is it worth and what should I do. It already has a Datsun 4cyl/manual trans/Regular rearend, it is left hand drive,there is alot of rust in the rocker sills,the hood scoop has been modified, everything else appears factory and in good condition , he claims it will run ,but couldn't get it started ( Datsun Motor Doesn't Matter ) , VIN AS285C-1001394 , HELP ME MAKE A DECISION! Hopefully before I chop it up into a Rat Rod.

By the sounds of it, the car is already too far gone to make an original restoration worth while, so why not hot-rod it? VIN AS285C-1001394 makes it a 1965, of which 1519 coupes were made in 65 (still rare, but not as rare as a 66 Coupe, of which only 281 were made in 66).

talbot · 05-21-2009, 01:46 PM

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BMS250FORD · 05-21-2009, 04:39 PM

DJtiwguy, Can you get some photos? Are you in USA? Left hand drive cars were less common. Not sold in USA. Even Jay Leno's car is a right hand drive version. Maybe worth bringing back to original. Check out the S600 registry website there are original engines around.

smithenhiven · 05-21-2009, 06:16 PM

John, my page 191 is the same as the one you have, so we must have the same book. Just let me know what pages you need, and I'll be happy to scan them for you.

DJTowguy · 05-22-2009, 07:53 AM

Smithenhiven and Bms250ford thankyou you for getting back to me and for giving me advise. I do have photos already and just can't make up my mind to cut it or not.Someone asked me were I was from I am in Oregon .Sorry to use this thread ,but I am a newby and it won't let me start a new one.

BMS250FORD · 05-23-2009, 01:47 AM

Had a go at the carbys today.

apekd · 05-23-2009, 09:59 AM

omg! i have only seen a small amount of these before, but NEVER in person. I hope that this one comes out GREAT as it looks like it will.....droool....wish i had one too.. :'(

Bobs600 · 05-26-2009, 06:46 PM

Let's hope most of the rest of the task is as easy for you as getting the body off. Don't be shy about posting here when you run into a problem, as I'm sure you will.

BMS250FORD · 05-28-2009, 08:41 PM

I needed to repair the treads in the carbys with "helicoils". Some previous genius had used 1/4" witworth screws in M6 threaded holes and stripped them out. All good now. Cleaned them up enough for a test run and got them back on the engine.

BMS250FORD · 05-29-2009, 12:21 AM

Got the starter motor turning the engine over and pumping the oil up to the cylinder head.

Got the distributor cap on, a coil connected to the battery, and the spark plugs lined up on a coat hanger wire.

Next is a fuel supply!

Bobs600 · 05-29-2009, 03:52 PM

The threads in the carbs are a bit of an issue with these cars. For those following this thread who don't have an S-car, the gas line from the fuel pump goes into a fuel distribution block which is removed in the top pictures above and then appears in the ones below as a kind of extension to the carb throats. The fuel block is held on by the eight long bolts that can be clearly seen end-on in the fourth picture down of the last post.

These eight bolts have to hold the fuel block tight to the carbs in order to prevent raw fuel from leaking into the carb throats. The car will run at revs with small leaks but won't idle properly. The problem is that the carb bodies are quite soft, so there's a fine line between getting them tight and stripping the threads out. I'm guessing most carb sets out there have at least a couple of helicoils.

BMS250FORD · 05-29-2009, 07:17 PM

We got fuel to the carbys via a gravity feed line and a small funnel attached the a length of rod to hold it up. The engine fired immediately and ran for about 10 seconds before I filmed this clip. Some of the smoke will be from the WD40 I sprayed in the bores to help lube the rings.

The engine idled for another 5 mins. filling the shed with smoke until I shut it down. The transmission is not in gear but still rotates the prop shaft due to a little bit of friction.

Thanks Bob for your input, your knowledge will be invaluable.

Hawkze_2.3 · 05-31-2009, 01:59 PM

Wow, awesome project and best of luck to you

I can't wait to see the rest of the build!

Bobs600 · 05-31-2009, 03:03 PM

Congrats on getting it started; it sounds pretty good. Stuck rings, do you think?

StylEmon · 06-01-2009, 03:59 PM

wow, that thing is sweet. kinda reminds me of the Datsun 2000.

rotten · 06-01-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 4DRmafia

Nice, where would I be able to find one of these? Looked on ebay and didn't find anything.

They never imported them into the US, although a few got in. Go to Australia, they seem to have most of 'em. Japan has a few too. Scattered through Europe.

05-18-2009, 06:08 AM	#27
BMS250FORD Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Adelaide South Australia Posts: 34	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration I have spent days scanning a very poor copy of a workshop manual. I have cropped the edges and enhanced the images, reordered pages and eventualy, reprinted a half decent copy now. I have decided to remove the body from the chassis following the manual step by step. So far the manual seems quite good and things are coming apart surprisingly well considering the age of the bits. Once the body is off I will start work on the running gear. I will be stripping the chain drives and replacing bearings and chains if required and will post pics. I am missing a couple of pages from my manual. If someone has a complete copy and could email me images I would be very greatful. You may recognise the manual edition from the page image I have attached. I have no covers or other method of identifing the manual. It only referes to the roadster not the coupe. I'll let you know what pages I need. Attached Images

05-19-2009, 03:41 PM	#28
DOHCIVIC Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Wake Forest, NC, USA Posts: 144	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration subscribed __________________ Friend don't let Friends eat Friends I hope this to be my next car http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...pemannismo.jpg

05-20-2009, 05:31 AM	#29
BMS250FORD Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Adelaide South Australia Posts: 34	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration We lifted the body off the frame today. The half ton mobile hoist easily lifted the body which seemed only about 250kg. The chassis was just rolled away on the skate. The running gear complete with exhaust system looks good on the frame. Will look better cleaned up. There isn't too many cars you can do that to. Attached Images

05-20-2009, 07:07 AM	#30
Top Speed Banne*d 1997 Acura Integra Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 245	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration subscribed

05-20-2009, 09:42 AM	#31
smithenhiven 11:11 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hopewell, PA, USA Posts: 3,765	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration Hey there. Sorry I was never able to get you a copy of the shop and parts manuals on CD. I knew I had a copy, but it somehow managed to misplace it. However, I do have original manuals, that I could scan certain pages from. If you want to let me know which pages you need, I'd be happy to scan them for you.

05-20-2009, 07:05 PM	#32
BMS250FORD Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Adelaide South Australia Posts: 34	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration First of all, can you check that your page 191 is the same as above. No point talking page numbers if we don't have the same book. Then I don't have a cover image or any pages before the Contents page. Thats why I don't know what I have got. Missing pages 42 and 43 (transmission),page 237(susspension system). I think thats all. So if you can scan and email me those 3 pages and a cover image, that would be great. Cheers, John Last edited by BMS250FORD; 05-20-2009 at 07:09 PM. Reason: tone

05-21-2009, 03:43 AM	#33
BMS250FORD Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Adelaide South Australia Posts: 34	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration Removed the water pump today to check if it is leaking or seized. It had a build up of crap in it but it turned OK and the seals seemed OK. I will clean it up more later when I dismantle the engine but for now it is good to go for a basic engine test. Attached Images

05-21-2009, 07:44 AM	#34
DJTowguy New User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 5	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration Sorry I have just found a S600 Coupe that I was about to shove a 4.3 V6 Chevy Blower Motor into. I have not purchased the car yet I talked to the guy yesterday and found out what it was. I thought it was a Fiat or something ( NO DISRESPECT MENT ) I have just never seen one. So here I am doing research and see it is a very rare car.What is it worth and what should I do. It already has a Datsun 4cyl/manual trans/Regular rearend, it is left hand drive,there is alot of rust in the rocker sills,the hood scoop has been modified, everything else appears factory and in good condition , he claims it will run ,but couldn't get it started ( Datsun Motor Doesn't Matter ) , VIN AS285C-1001394 , HELP ME MAKE A DECISION! Hopefully before I chop it up into a Rat Rod.

05-21-2009, 01:46 PM	#36
talbot New User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 1	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration subscribed

05-21-2009, 04:39 PM	#37
BMS250FORD Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Adelaide South Australia Posts: 34	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration DJtiwguy, Can you get some photos? Are you in USA? Left hand drive cars were less common. Not sold in USA. Even Jay Leno's car is a right hand drive version. Maybe worth bringing back to original. Check out the S600 registry website there are original engines around.

05-21-2009, 06:16 PM	#38
smithenhiven 11:11 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hopewell, PA, USA Posts: 3,765	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration John, my page 191 is the same as the one you have, so we must have the same book. Just let me know what pages you need, and I'll be happy to scan them for you.

05-22-2009, 07:53 AM	#39
DJTowguy New User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 5	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration Smithenhiven and Bms250ford thankyou you for getting back to me and for giving me advise. I do have photos already and just can't make up my mind to cut it or not.Someone asked me were I was from I am in Oregon .Sorry to use this thread ,but I am a newby and it won't let me start a new one.

05-23-2009, 01:47 AM	#40
BMS250FORD Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Adelaide South Australia Posts: 34	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration Had a go at the carbys today. Attached Images

05-26-2009, 06:46 PM	#42
Bobs600 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Posts: 38	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration Let's hope most of the rest of the task is as easy for you as getting the body off. Don't be shy about posting here when you run into a problem, as I'm sure you will.

05-28-2009, 08:41 PM	#43
BMS250FORD Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Adelaide South Australia Posts: 34	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration I needed to repair the treads in the carbys with "helicoils". Some previous genius had used 1/4" witworth screws in M6 threaded holes and stripped them out. All good now. Cleaned them up enough for a test run and got them back on the engine. Attached Images

05-29-2009, 12:21 AM	#44
BMS250FORD Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Adelaide South Australia Posts: 34	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration Got the starter motor turning the engine over and pumping the oil up to the cylinder head. Got the distributor cap on, a coil connected to the battery, and the spark plugs lined up on a coat hanger wire. Next is a fuel supply! Attached Images

05-29-2009, 03:52 PM	#45
Bobs600 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Posts: 38	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration The threads in the carbs are a bit of an issue with these cars. For those following this thread who don't have an S-car, the gas line from the fuel pump goes into a fuel distribution block which is removed in the top pictures above and then appears in the ones below as a kind of extension to the carb throats. The fuel block is held on by the eight long bolts that can be clearly seen end-on in the fourth picture down of the last post. These eight bolts have to hold the fuel block tight to the carbs in order to prevent raw fuel from leaking into the carb throats. The car will run at revs with small leaks but won't idle properly. The problem is that the carb bodies are quite soft, so there's a fine line between getting them tight and stripping the threads out. I'm guessing most carb sets out there have at least a couple of helicoils.

05-29-2009, 07:17 PM	#46
BMS250FORD Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Adelaide South Australia Posts: 34	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration We got fuel to the carbys via a gravity feed line and a small funnel attached the a length of rod to hold it up. The engine fired immediately and ran for about 10 seconds before I filmed this clip. Some of the smoke will be from the WD40 I sprayed in the bores to help lube the rings. The engine idled for another 5 mins. filling the shed with smoke until I shut it down. The transmission is not in gear but still rotates the prop shaft due to a little bit of friction. Thanks Bob for your input, your knowledge will be invaluable.

05-31-2009, 01:59 PM	#47
Hawkze_2.3 Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Further down the spiral, TX, usa Posts: 9,430	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration Wow, awesome project and best of luck to you I can't wait to see the rest of the build! __________________ 95 Prelude -intake, windshield washer lights, rear body kit, carbon fiber windows

05-31-2009, 03:03 PM	#48
Bobs600 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Posts: 38	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration Congrats on getting it started; it sounds pretty good. Stuck rings, do you think?

06-01-2009, 03:59 PM	#49
StylEmon Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 21	Re: S600 Coupe Off frame restoration wow, that thing is sweet. kinda reminds me of the Datsun 2000.

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