killowatt59

I am sure this has been talked about before, but in one of the posts someone made the comment that Mobil 1 oil filters are not that great. What oil filter would good to use in 2002 honda civic lx that is using mobil 1 oil.

Also, I recently purchased this used car from a honda dealer. Anyone know what they do to them when they get them before they sell them? I.E. do they change the transmission fluid, that tye of sutff.

Thanks, this is my first post and I am a new Honda owner and I love it.

katzenjammer84

How many miles are on it? If it's past due for a major service, they most likely will have done it. It's a good idea to ask what has been done and what has to be done in upcoming miles.

As for oil filters, I'm on my 6th Honda and have always used plain old OEM Honda filters without a problem.

LatinEM2

I have used Bosch and OEM oil filters.

kenbo21

I like the FRAM filters. They are great part # 7317. Walmart has them..if you get the ones with the grip they are only about $5..they also have a high miles one for around the same price...

toyomatt84

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Fram filters are some of the worst filters on the market, due to their shoddy build quality. The cardboard-based filtering elements they use are well-known to break down rapidly, and cause engine damage. I would advise anyone to stay away from that particular brand.

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More information:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2260090
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1759084

daddy

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ive always used the fram oil filters and never had a problem but i also never bothered to research properly.

what do you use matt?

toyomatt84

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Honda OEM on the Odyssey, and an S2000 Honda OEM filter on the EM2.

daddy

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whats the advantage of running the s2k filter on the em2 instead of one out of a TSX (i think thas where you got your motor from)

Harlowe

More oil pressure with s2000 filter, since its smaller?
Not sure though

I use FRAM on this motor, since its a POS lol. Not on the next motor though.


Modified by Harlowe at 6:53 PM 11/10/2008

FijiBlueHero

Currently using Purolator Oil Filter - it was 2 for 7 bucks on amazon. I am not too sure if that is the best but if not I am changing every 3000 miles. with Mobil 5000 clean. Anybody thinks my combination is bad because if it is then I guess I will have to change.

theineffable

the oem filters you use, i assume you check the part numbers to make sure they're not the rebranded fram ones that most honda dealers use?

killowatt59

I changed my oil for the first since owning this 2002 honda civic lx. It has 91000 miles and i used Mobil 1 and a Mobil 1 filter. I don't think my engine is as quiet as it was before.

But it could jsut be I am used to quieter engine because I did have a jeep. I don't know. I hope I did the right thing by switching to Mobil 1 oil and filter. It had a honda oil filter on, I assume from whent he dealership changed the oil when they first got it.

toyomatt84

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Actually, the S2000 filter has a thicker filtering element, and larger pores leading to it. So the flow is about the same, but you get slightly better filtering with a slightly longer lifespan for the filter.


I do check them, but it's really unnecessary considering the place I buy them from is one of the shops that works on these:
http://bp1.blogger.com/_elAhhh...8.jpg

Harlowe

Oo I see. good to know.

over_

Heres a post i had a while back....
https://honda-tech.com/zero...96410

sorry for the broken pix, im trying to locate some of them...


There is a bit more to a "honda" oil filter, this is a compilation of some things i wrote on another forum, hope its usefull info..

Ive always used honda filters because my dad was a mechanic at honda years back...he told me that the cheap fram filters are a waste of time.. well now i know why not to use a typcal fram filter, they are poorly constructed. Some belive they alow greater oil pressure, ok, that may be true - because instead of geting filtered, its going right throught the cardboard endcap and plastic bypass valve..... :shock:


there are some things to know about honda filters. One there are -to my knowledge 4 types...

1) pre '88 hondas - larger screw bore size

2) post '88 honda (civics, accords, preludes, NOT s2000) pt. NO. 15400-PLM-A01 (A02) - typical honda oil filter, built by fram with the construction specifications by honda

3) post '88 honda (civics, accords, preludes, etc.. AND s2000) pt NO. 15400 -PCX-004 - This filter is made by a reputable factory known as Toyo Roki of Japan. [NOW PCX-004 are manufactured by Filtech]

4) filter for the NSX

here is a comparison of the 2 oil filters one non s2000 with the one for the s2000, and another Denso filter

http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/...91911

id like to hear your opinions, and perhaps what you use in you cars

edit:
the 15400-PLM-A02 is the ceap version fram, same as the cheap fram! so perhaps there are 5 types of honda oil filters the A02 obviously fram-incogneto.... i will be purchasing the PLM-A01, and PCX tomorrow and see what the labeling on the housing says....

http://theoildrop.server101.co...50421

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http://effinmotorworks.com/Filters.htm

this is another article that compares the HAMP filter, mnufactured by toyo roki, AKA pcx-004...

OEM Honda Filters Observations (Nov 2001)
For anyone that hasn't been following along...Honda is using new oil filters in North America. These are made by Honeywell according to the case, which is noteably smaller. I'm curious on the "new" manufacturer. Honeywell is a division of Allied Signal that, among other things, owns Fram. Is it a rebadged Fram? Honda has been using their own spec Fram(made in Canada) and Filtech(made in the USA) for several years now. The merits of a smaller filter are still up for debate and finding the large filters is getting harder by the day

Honda also specifies a filter for the s2000 that is different from the rest of the Hondas (p/n 15400-PCX-004). It is manufactured by Toyo-Roki. Dimensionally, it is still the same size as the large standard OEM filter. This new filter still fits all the same models. Shopping around has turned these up for around $6.50.
Honda sells three levels of parts in Japan, if I recall correctly. From cheapest to most expensive, they have OEM original parts(HOP), aftermarket parts(HAMP) and racing parts(Hyper). The HAMP filters are available through several importers. They used to be reasonably priced but I can't find them for anything under $9 now (or in stock).The HAMP filters are also made by Toyo-Roki.

After reading several online filter studies, Mike and I decided cut a few filters open. We found a few interesting things.
HAMP and the OEM s2000 filter are identical down to the end cap on the filter media. The end caps are metal. The spring/valve is bonded to the end cap.
The Honda spec Fram uses cardboard end caps. The bypass valve isn't even fastened to the end cap, it falls right out once the housing is removed. The spring/valve is a little easier to push open. The filters metal housing is also marginally thinner.
For curiosity's sake, we split open an off the shelf Fram Double Guard. It was made even more poorly then the Honda/Fram. The Double Guard has teflon on the media...Mike joked this was to keep dirt from bonding to the filter. Same cardboard end caps, but less filter media and even softer spring/valve.

So my personal opinions/observations?
I'm not going to discuss Fram quality with anyone anymore...my mind is made up. They suck.
Fram users keep your testimonials to yourself. If you don't like my observations, cut your own open and tell me why they're great filters. Mike has still been using Fram but after we were done here, he threw the Fram filters he had in the trash.
Why does the s2000 need a different filter? Why don't the new standard filters measure up to the s2000? Will they measure up for us? Right now, they seem like a good alternative to the HAMP filters and a better choice then the standard large OEM Honda filters.





OEM Honda Filters Observations (July 2005)
Awhile back, we reviewed some of the differences in Hondas large oem filter. With the exception of the s2000 filter (p/n 15400-PCX-004) the large style filter is no longer available. But that's okay because if you want to run a large filter, that's the one you want. Check out our earlier article to see why. http://www.effinmotorworks.com/Filters.htm

Since roughly 2000, Honda started phasing in a smaller sized standard filter. I haven't found a consistent answer as to why, or what the benefits are, so I'll keep wild speculations and hearsay to myself. If you want to run the smaller filter, you have a couple options:
15400-PLM-A01 (FILTECH-TOYO ROKI)
15400-PLM-A02 (HONEYWELL)
15400-PLC-004 (TOYO ROKI)
current standard
current standard
No longer manufactured, might be in a local dealers stock

We decided it was time to put these smaller filters under the same examination as before. I got my hands on the oem Honeywell and Filtech filters. I couldn't find a Toyo Roki so as a substitute; I used a small style HAMP filter. In our last comparison, we found the large HAMP to be the exact same filter as the s2000 Toyo Roki. I was hoping this would be true again.
The Honeywell and Filtech came factory shrink-wrapped with Honda p/n stickers on them. The HAMP came in a cardboard box. I wasn't expecting to find a noticeable difference before I even started cutting but I did. The Filtech and HAMP were fine, but the Honeywell had this brown goo gunk around the inner lip of the filter. And the finish was not smooth around the edge of the lip. I can't say if this is consistent with all of their filters (because I only had this one) but I get the impression their quality control leaves something to be desired.


Once the filters were cut open, I found a few things that surprised me and a couple things I expected. Here's a layout of all three filters:



Bad news : first we've speculated that the Honeywell filter was, in fact, a Fram filter. Allied Signal owns Honeywell and they also own Fram. And after looking at the guts of the Honeywell, it is indeed a Fram filter. Cardboard end caps on the media and a cheap plastic bypass valve pressed onto the cardboard with an inexpensive wedge. The filtering media has improved a little but still falls short of the other two filters.

What I expected : the Toyo Roki HAMP had excellent construction. The bypass valve was a sturdy metal design that pressed on to the end of the media with a nice seal. Despite being even shorter then the two oem filters, I wouldn't hesitate to use it on my car.

What surprised me: the Filtech p/n is listed as "Filtech-Toyo Roki". The case just says "Filtech". Once inside, the construction is nearly identical to the HAMP. The length of filter media is a little longer and of a slightly fuzzier consistency, but everything else was the same. Even the bypass valve was the exact same piece. I'm guessing there was some collaboration between the two companies?

Now, does any of this really matter?
Its really up to you. The Honeywell filter is, in my "expert" opinion, crap. The Filtech filter is pretty decent.
Some will argue that a filter is just a filter. Even if that was true, they cost the same. Why not ask for what could be a better quality filter?

over_

The A01[discontinued] was made by Filtech, and was replaced with the A02 made by Honeywell-AKA FRAM




All the rest of the world Honda sells Hamp Syn. filters, manufatured by Toyo Roki, who used to make the S2000[PCX-004] filter

FijiBlueHero

So OVNI_CIVIC where can I get these Hamp Syn. filters. Are you recommending these filter for 7th gen civcs? Also I am not using synthetic motor oil, will this filter be a waste of my money?

ejLday

I rock Mobil 1 filters

tunerkid7

^^^^^x2

ejLday

chea! Mobil 1 is the ****

FijiBlueHero

What about K&N , those filter last 2 oil change as directed by the pepboy clerk. If only a 5 quart mobil 1 cost 11 dollars...

ejLday

I have used the k&n it's a good filter too. I change mine every 3k, but technically you can leave them in longer, i dont tho

Zebra

15400-PLC-004 Made in China

2k.civic.si

http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/...ilfilters.aspx

rdean

I use top of the line Fram filters from Wal-Mart. They are rated for 10K miles and that's what I run them, along with Mobile 1. I change oil/filter every 10K.