****New and improved OFFICIAL Firearms thread****

[DsevenEm2]

So here in Florida, its true that I can just walk into walmart and buy a shotgun? Without any papers or anything at all?

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[George Knighton]

[The GreenD16]

I know this was asked 132498 times in the previous thread, but since that is gone, I am going to ask again.

I am looking for a simple handgun mostly for home protection use. I would also like it to be easy for my fiance to use, as well as myself.

[Racermech]

Here is my 9mm.

I heard about a round that is a home invasion round. Has enough power to stop a person, but if you miss it only has enough power to go through a couple sheets of drywall, that way you are not killing your neighbors. Has anyone heard of this or was it some BS I heard?

[DsevenEm2]

I dont think a 9mm is ever enough to stop a person, I know people who've lived through several shots.

Unless its a *boom* head shot or in a good spot, but people survive 9mm shots all day.

[George Knighton]

Originally Posted by The GreenD16

I know this was asked 132498 times in the previous thread, but since that is gone, I am going to ask again.

I am looking for a simple handgun mostly for home protection use. I would also like it to be easy for my fiance to use, as well as myself.

What I am going to suggest is not going to be very popular, but I'm going to say it anyway.

From exactly what you have said, regardless of whether your premise is correct or not (somebody might change your mind as to the general premise), I would suggest a 3" barrel Smith & Wesson large frame revolver chambered for .357. Some of the newer ones are even available with 8 shot barrels.

This is not the cheapest thing available, but there are various reasons I'd suggest this, ideas born of experience.

In the first place, if somebody gets very close to you, it's going to be very hard for the bad guy to grab the gun in a way that will disable the gun. It's also going to be harder for a bad guy to wrestle the gun out of your hands, and this might be important to your friend.

In the second place, there will be a variety of loads available, based on how good you and your friend get with the gun. If it turns out you are both very good with stress fire, then you can buy the .357 125 gr Remington round that is the single best one-stop round ever produced.

But if you're not that good with stress fire, then you can put 110 gr Treasury Load in the gun and have something that shoots more comfortably, but will still have a very good one-shot stop capability and prove rather intimidating to look at.

This recommendation is based on the parameters you established.

Left up to my own devices, I would have to admit that there is nothing better for home defence than a 12-gauge brush gun.

[Archidictus]

I might be looking for a handgun in the nearish future. My requirements are reliable, jam-free operation, enough stopping power to get the point across without necessarily killing someone, ease of use and cost-effective ammunition. This would be a weapon that might be used by myself or my girlfriend, so recoil shouldn't be ridiculous.

This weapon would not be concealed and would be kept hidden in the home, unloaded, in case of emergencies. The price range is variable depending on what you guys suggest, although I don't want to be paying $800 for something that may never see use (hopefully) beyond the firing range.

Options? Opinions?

[George Knighton]

Originally Posted by Archidictus

... enough stopping power to get the point across without necessarily killing someone....

With all possible respect, I think you should reformulate your premise before you think about buying anything at all.

You must aim to kill, and your entire defence premise has to be built around the idea that deadly force is justified.

You, your gun, your ammo, your carry, it all has to be designed to kill.

I hate to say it, but in a typical civilian defence scenario, you have to aim centre of mass and hit centre of mass...and keep hitting until the target is down.

Any other idea of formulation could just as easily lead to your death.

It is a horrible, horrible idea, but I think it is the truth. You have to buy into the concept that the people feed you, namely that you and your life are more valuable to the people than the life of the perpetrator.

It's not a nice thing to be thinking about or talking about.

You're talking about the worst thing that could probably ever happen to anybody, and you must not be approaching it timidly or with any lack of resolve.

[Archidictus]

Originally Posted by George Knighton

With all possible respect, I think you should reformulate your premise before you think about buying anything at all.

You must aim to kill, and your entire defence premise has to be built around the idea that deadly force is justified.

You, your gun, your ammo, your carry, it all has to be designed to kill.

I hate to say it, but in a typical civilian defence scenario, you have to aim centre of mass and hit centre of mass...and keep hitting until the target is down.

Any other idea of formulation could just as easily lead to your death.

It is a horrible, horrible idea, but I think it is the truth. You have to buy into the concept that the people feed you, namely that you and your life are more valuable to the people than the life of the perpetrator.

It's not a nice thing to be thinking about or talking about.

You're talking about the worst thing that could probably ever happen to anybody, and you must not be approaching it timidly or with any lack of resolve.

Makes sense. Very well - enough stopping power to kill should the need arise. I'm open to suggestions

Thank you for the advice.

[racer_X_123]

Here are some pictures of mine.

Springfield Aurmory XD40 and Smith and wesson 9mm



And my Mossberg 500



Modified by racer_X_123 at 9:36 AM 10/15/2008

[George Knighton]

Originally Posted by Archidictus

Makes sense. Very well - enough stopping power to kill should the need arise. I'm open to suggestions

Thank you for the advice.

In that case, I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave a moment ago:

A 12 ga brush gun is the absolute best thing. Short barrel, easy to handle, very intimidating and conducive to submission.

If it has to be a hand gun, then I'll go back to recommending the newer big frame Smiths with 3" barrel and big grips.

[Splat]

I agree with George on revolvers for co-ed HD firearms. I've been trying for years for Mrs. Splat to accept a bedside .38, but she has resisted so far. I'm thinking that will be one thing that just "shows up" one day.

Until then, I guess the bayonet and Fox labs will have to do

[Johnny.]

Originally Posted by Splat

I agree with George on revolvers for co-ed HD firearms. I've been trying for years for Mrs. Splat to accept a bedside .38, but she has resisted so far. I'm thinking that will be one thing that just "shows up" one day.

Until then, I guess the bayonet and Fox labs will have to do

I have my trusty bat that I've had since I was a kid next to my bed. Val has already been instructed to lay on the floor and don't come out of the room until I give the "all clear" if an intruder comes into the house. That's when "Proud Mary" (Mossberg 500 loaded w/LE shells) comes out. hehe

[DsevenEm2]

Originally Posted by racer_X_123

Here are some pictures of mine.

Names and models please? Thanks dude. How much did that shot gun run you?

[George Knighton]

Originally Posted by Splat

I agree with George on revolvers for co-ed HD firearms. I've been trying for years for Mrs. Splat to accept a bedside .38, but she has resisted so far.

For whatever it's worth, 110 gr Treasury Load is manufactured in a .38-size by Peter Pi's organisation. It seems to be the best performer in little snubbies regardless of how much powder goes unburned in the short barrel.

Originally Posted by Johnny.

That's when "Proud Mary" (Mossberg 500 ...) comes out. hehe

Better than any hand gun could possibly be, if everybody can handle it. Not sure about the LE comment or what shells you could mean. Over the counter 00 magnum buck has about a 99% one shot stop record.

Are you running across meth addicts or people in vests?

[LSVTEC 91 Civic]

Sig Sauer P220 SAO w/ Night sights & Beavertail

[Johnny.]

Originally Posted by George Knighton

Better than any hand gun could possibly be, if everybody can handle it. Not sure about the LE comment or what shells you could mean. Over the counter 00 magnum buck has about a 99% one shot stop record.

Federal Tactical Shot shells: 00 buck , tactical load, 9 pellets.
Different wadding...more predictable pattern i.e. more precise (even though I'm using a shotgun...lol)

Originally Posted by George Knighton

Are you running across meth addicts or people in vests?

Angry Virginians.

[Twixle]

Can anyone recommend for or against a pistol grip on a shotgun for home defense? I know it definitely makes the gun more maneuverable, but I'm also a lot more comfortable shooting off my shoulder with a full stock.

[Johnny.]

Originally Posted by Twixle

Can anyone recommend for or against a pistol grip on a shotgun for home defense? I know it definitely makes the gun more maneuverable, but I'm also a lot more comfortable shooting off my shoulder with a full stock.

Not really...it's just a matter of personal preference. What do YOU like?

[hometheaterman]

Originally Posted by Archidictus

I might be looking for a handgun in the nearish future. My requirements are reliable, jam-free operation, enough stopping power to get the point across without necessarily killing someone, ease of use and cost-effective ammunition. This would be a weapon that might be used by myself or my girlfriend, so recoil shouldn't be ridiculous.

This weapon would not be concealed and would be kept hidden in the home, unloaded, in case of emergencies. The price range is variable depending on what you guys suggest, although I don't want to be paying $800 for something that may never see use (hopefully) beyond the firing range.

Options? Opinions?

Maybe check out the Ruger SR9.

I don't really get why people say a 9mm wont stop someone? I don't know of anyone or remember hearing of anyone whom has been shot with one so I can't comment from that aspect however, I have seen 2x4"s get shot with one and it went in as a hole about the size of the bullet and came out and took a huge chunk out the back with it. I don't get why that wouldn't easily take a person down as long as it's a well placed shot. I've also seen a .45 which I liked a whole lot. It was a Ruger P90 that my uncle has. I love that gun but I don't like the initial price nor the ammo prices for it. He also seems to prefer his 9mm's. He has a few and said that's what he recommends. He just does target shooting mostly though. Like me he thinks however, that they probably have enough power to stop someone or something as in a dog or animal like that. I'm not sure they would take down a bear or something like that but I can't see it having a problem with any normal sized animal.

[George Knighton]

Originally Posted by hometheaterman

I don't really get why people say a 9mm wont stop someone?

In order to get up around 90%, you have to get a pretty big 9mm gun, and you have to be using +P+ LE-only 115 gr rounds.

With civilian rounds you won't get close to that.

You also have to stop and consider, too, that even the best 9mm rounds are not going to penetrate the way that .45 Hydra Shok and Golden Sabre are going to penetrate, which means the 9mm round might shatter its bullet against somebody's rib cage, and an adrenaline-activated junkie isn't going to notice for a few seconds.

Those few seconds give him a time during which he can exact an amazing amount of damage against you and your companions before the bleeding slows him down.

Although my way of thinking might be a little old fashioned, I'd rather have 8 or 9 .45 ACP rounds, or 8 .357 rounds, instead of 15 or 20 9mm rounds.

The 9mm has a lot of good uses. There are many, many scenario where 9mm is the obvious choice. For example, if you can only hit with a normal pressure 9mm round, then that undoubtedly trumps any theoretical advantage of the .45 and .357.

For any gun to be of any use to you, you have to be able to hit with it.

[Tokyosmash!]

Originally Posted by Twixle

Can anyone recommend for or against a pistol grip on a shotgun for home defense? I know it definitely makes the gun more maneuverable, but I'm also a lot more comfortable shooting off my shoulder with a full stock.

I really dont think manuverability plays a role when it comes to shotguns and home defense, I used to keep a New England survivor single shot pistol grip loaded with a single slug for years until I realized that I was at the end of a hallway and would only have to go down in the event of a home invasion thus I upgraded to a Mossberg 500 Persuader.

You could get one of the Mossberg HS410 Home security's

A .410 has enouph power to stop an intruder and wont kick like a 12 gauge


Modified by Tokyosmash! at 9:07 AM 10/13/2008

[SIred91]

Originally Posted by Tactic$

Anybody ever try the grenade launcher on their Yugo's ?

Yep, for golf balls, colored flower bags and parade blanks....lots of fun!

[Ekasey]

Originally Posted by George Knighton

Although my way of thinking might be a little old fashioned, I'd rather have 8 or 9 .45 ACP rounds, or 8 .357 rounds, instead of 15 or 20 9mm rounds.

The 9mm has a lot of good uses. There are many, many scenario where 9mm is the obvious choice. For example, if you can only hit with a normal pressure 9mm round, then that undoubtedly trumps any theoretical advantage of the .45 and .357.

For any gun to be of any use to you, you have to be able to hit with it.

I prefer the 13 + 1 Capacity of my long slide .45 or the 10 + 1 of my HK USP .45

[LSVTEC 91 Civic]

Apparently the sales of (evil) guns are banned from HT Marketplace...
FYI



Any AR fanatics here? Might have some questions relating to an AR build in a week or so. Looking to do a budget custom build. I would like something similar to an M16A2, do not want Tac rails, collapsible stocks, scopes, short barrels.. Just bare bones with standard sights.


Modified by LSVTEC 91 Civic at 1:34 PM 10/13/2008