cable zc transmission....
08-17-2008, 04:05 PM
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cable zc transmission....
I just bought a cable zc tranny which came off the brown top zc... my question is... which axles do I need to run with this tranny?
Ive been told that I will need b series axles with the zc/b series half shaft and then Ive been told that I could use d series axles.
Ive searched and have posted about this topic before but have yet to get a straight answer... so please any and all info is greatly appreciated
Ive been told that I will need b series axles with the zc/b series half shaft and then Ive been told that I could use d series axles.
Ive searched and have posted about this topic before but have yet to get a straight answer... so please any and all info is greatly appreciated
08-17-2008, 04:33 PM
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Re: cable zc transmission.... (IHEARTMYHONDA91)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In my opinion the best thing to do would be to go with the USDM tranny and install an LSD. The ZC tranny swap is very expensive with questionable benefits. It was supposed to help with controlling torque steer but this was prior to new technology.
However, If you are serious about the ZC swap you'll need to do the following:
1. Buy a ZC tranny = $250?
2. Buy a ZC intermediate shaft = $100 (make sure it's a real ZC shaft
3. Buy custom equal length axles (http://www.raxles.com) = $400 (the Acura axles do not work)http://hondaswap.com/civic-crx-ef/ax...mission-86562/
4. Buy the correct axle seals - don't make mistakes here
Stop here if you don't plan to do the hybrid gears like I did to take advantage of the close ratios.
Don't be fooled like I was - unless you find a ZC tranny already equipped with an LSD - you won't find one to fit the A6 housing (unless things have changed in the past year) - The spline count on the ZC is 2mm or so larger than the USDM version - which is one of the reasons why custom axles are a must have.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Does that help?
However, If you are serious about the ZC swap you'll need to do the following:
1. Buy a ZC tranny = $250?
2. Buy a ZC intermediate shaft = $100 (make sure it's a real ZC shaft
3. Buy custom equal length axles (http://www.raxles.com) = $400 (the Acura axles do not work)http://hondaswap.com/civic-crx-ef/ax...mission-86562/
4. Buy the correct axle seals - don't make mistakes here
Stop here if you don't plan to do the hybrid gears like I did to take advantage of the close ratios.
Don't be fooled like I was - unless you find a ZC tranny already equipped with an LSD - you won't find one to fit the A6 housing (unless things have changed in the past year) - The spline count on the ZC is 2mm or so larger than the USDM version - which is one of the reasons why custom axles are a must have.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Does that help?
08-17-2008, 05:15 PM
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Do you have a DOHC ZC or is it actually a D16A1? IIRC, all DOHC ZC's were black top.
The CG transmission, which comes off the D16A1, doesn't readily work with 88+ D-series.
The CG transmission, which comes off the D16A1, doesn't readily work with 88+ D-series.
08-17-2008, 05:40 PM
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it might have been black top...
i picked it up from a1 japanese and the guy pointed to the motor up on the shelf that it came off. it was dual cam for sure. he gave me a half shaft along with it.
i picked it up from a1 japanese and the guy pointed to the motor up on the shelf that it came off. it was dual cam for sure. he gave me a half shaft along with it.
08-17-2008, 07:08 PM
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Re: cable zc transmission.... (IHEARTMYHONDA91)
anyone else got any info? i need ti know for sure so i can get me money back asap if this is gonna be a hassle!
08-17-2008, 07:14 PM
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Re: cable zc transmission.... (IHEARTMYHONDA91)
If you have the ZC transmission, with the ZC intermediate shalf, use the 90-93 Integra axles, I've just done this swap and the axle went in fine.
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You dont need no custom axle, I return my autozone old 90-93 Integra axle non ABS and got 2 new parts off the life time warranty. My Dohc ZC transsmision is LSD and it comes with the ZC intermediate shalf, I put the 90-93 Integra axle in and they work. Not problem at all.
08-18-2008, 06:46 PM
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ok well just for the hell of it how do i tell while the tranny is out of the car.....
and i still have'nt gotten a striaght answer on the axles!
please this is honda-tech! someone help!
and i still have'nt gotten a striaght answer on the axles!
please this is honda-tech! someone help!
08-18-2008, 06:56 PM
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if you want to know if it has a lsd, just look through the hole the axles go in, if there is a bar through the center you have a regular open diff. and from what it seems integra axles work
08-18-2008, 07:06 PM
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i'll check later on the lsd...
but im looking for someone that is actually running a zc cable tranny and what kinda axles. i need a 100% answer so i can purchase my axles asap!
but im looking for someone that is actually running a zc cable tranny and what kinda axles. i need a 100% answer so i can purchase my axles asap!
08-18-2008, 10:49 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by K2e2vin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">swapped in a EX differential along with Si final drive</TD></TR></TABLE>
why didnt you just just use the Si diff and ring gear? why EX diff?
why didnt you just just use the Si diff and ring gear? why EX diff?
08-18-2008, 11:01 PM
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I don't know if you went through Bone's posts and such on D-series.org, but the 88-91 differentials are notorious for having a weak differential pin.
I'm actually using a D16Z6 EX differential; same as the 92-95 Si.
That transmission is being pulled out though and stock CRX Si transmission going in; the DOHC ZC transmission is getting a 4.437 ZXi final drive along with OBX LSD and 3.083 first gear later on.
I'm actually using a D16Z6 EX differential; same as the 92-95 Si.
That transmission is being pulled out though and stock CRX Si transmission going in; the DOHC ZC transmission is getting a 4.437 ZXi final drive along with OBX LSD and 3.083 first gear later on.
08-20-2008, 07:18 AM
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Re: (IHEARTMYHONDA91)
if you have a JDM 88-91 ZC L3 transmission, you need 88-91 JDM ZC intermediate shaft (nothing else works) and 90-93 Integra axles
08-20-2008, 05:19 PM
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i hope you guys are right! im going to go with the '90-'93 integra axles.
if anyone else has anything to say please speak up asap so i dont make a mistake!
if anyone else has anything to say please speak up asap so i dont make a mistake!
08-20-2008, 05:38 PM
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It was mentioned before, but make absolutely sure that you got a transmission that was mounted to a black top ZC. The brown-top version is not a bolt-up application to a black top block.
08-21-2008, 06:37 AM
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Re: (IHEARTMYHONDA91)
84-87 JDM CRX Si/Civic Si "browntop" DOHC ZC, 86-87 JDM Integra "browntop" DOHC ZC, 88-89 JDM Integra "blacktop" DOHC ZC all used the CG transmission same as in the 86-89 Integra D16A1 - has separate cover for 5th gear - uses same intermediate shaft as the 86-89 USDM Integra D16A1 - doesn't bolt right up to any other D-series blocks and has different mounts from 88-91 (picture below)
88-91 JDM CRX Si/Civic Si "blacktop" DOHC ZC uses L3 transmission similar to 88-91 USDM CRX/Civic - uses ZC intermediate shaft (with female outer end) and the larger 90-93 Integra type axles
92-95 JDM Civic "blacktop" DOHC ZC uses transmission similar to 92-95 USDM Civic - uses ZC intermediate shaft (with male outer end) and larger 94-00 Integra type axles - has hydraulic clutch
88-91 JDM CRX Si/Civic Si "blacktop" DOHC ZC uses L3 transmission similar to 88-91 USDM CRX/Civic - uses ZC intermediate shaft (with female outer end) and the larger 90-93 Integra type axles
92-95 JDM Civic "blacktop" DOHC ZC uses transmission similar to 92-95 USDM Civic - uses ZC intermediate shaft (with male outer end) and larger 94-00 Integra type axles - has hydraulic clutch