snowboardgeek1

I know its not a type r but I do have the heart of a type r in my EG. Just curious if anyone else has done this mod and what your thoughts are on it.

Here's the link I made:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2169937

Here are pics of my modded ITR air box. I got the idea to modify my airbox from BSQ:

http://www.team-integra.net/fo...earch

The parts you'll need:

4" diameter thin-walled (1/8" wall thickness) PVC pipe ($7.99 for 10 ft. section)
1 - 4" thin-walled 90° PVC long sweep elbow ($3.99)
1 - 4" thin-walled 90° PVC street elbow ($4.29)
1 - No. 4 hub connector/coupler ($6.29)
1 - 4" diameter x 4" long speaker port (this part serves as the air horn) ($1.70 plus $7.00 for shipping)
1 - hose clamp (4.25-4.5" diameter hose clamp) ($1.49 estimated price)
1 – 0.75" wide x 1/8" thick x 10" (approx.) long aluminum stock (this is for the mounting bracket) ($3.29 estimated price for 3" section)
PVC cement ($2.99)
black paint (flat or satin) ($3.99 estimated price)

So the cost is around $40 for all the materials. The hardest thing to find was the thin walled PVC piping to attach to the bottom of the air box. Do it best, Lowes, and Home depot didn't have it in my area. I had to go to a special plumbing store to purchase a 10ft stock. Good thing its cheap.

Pics will be shown below.

I was looking for a CAI for my type R motor. I used to own an AEM Hybrid CAI but I ended up selling it to my neighbor. I honestly didn't like the way the car responded with this intake. The car felt "laggy." I didn't feel any increase of power vs. my AEM 2.5" short ram until 6-6500 RPMs. And the power increase wasn't much at all. I didn't dyno the car so I can't say for sure if there was an increase of power with the AEM hybrid CAI but my butt dyno is pretty damn accurate lol. And my butt dyno told me that the increase in power wasn't enough to justify the big price tag if I were to get another CAI.

So my search for another CAI started on ebay. I found CAI's made for Integra LS/RS as well as 92-95 Civic's. I needed something that had a 3" diameter piping. To make a long story short, here's a thread I started a few days ago.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2165544

I decided to make my own CAI with my Type R intake box. I wanted to make it similar to a comptech icebox as well as a mugen intake box. The Mugen intake box uses 4" diameter piping for the cold air extension, which the comptech box uses 3" piping.

The install wasn't too bad, but it wasn't easy. Most of the time spent was trying to get the intake's cold air extension placed perfectly as well as figuring out a way where the intake box won't hit the hood of the car.

First thing you have to do is cut the thin walled PVC pipe to 7 in. Attach it to the bottom of the intake box with the coupler (it has a worm band around it). Then attach the other two PVC pipes/elbows and have it look similar to this:



Do a test fit and make sure the bottom extension faces the way you want it to. I used the PVC cement to join the bottom two cold air extensions together. Only do this when you're ready to finalize your installation. Also, I had to notch my clutch line bracket to make sure the intake sat down correctly in the engine bay. In addition, I had to install the intake box bracket to the "bottom" of the shock tower bracket. Its hard to explain but the pics are shown below. I had to do this to make sure the intake box sat down as far as it could so the hood would clear. I haven't installed the air horn yet, because it hasn't been shipped, but once I get it in, I'll install it and take pics.

As for performance...I highly recommend this setup. Not only does it look stock which I like, but I feel the throttle response is A LOT better compared to the AEM CAI as well as more power throughout the RPM range. You will definitely feel a difference in torque in the midrange which I felt right away. Again, this is with my highly accurate butt dyno so take it for what its worth. I will dyno this setup vs. the AEM CAI, but it'll be a while before I do this. I want to upgrade a few more things first (header and exhaust) before I bring the car in to get it dyno'd.

For the price in parts, its a worthwhile upgrade if you have a spare airbox. I would consider making a "kit" if there's any interest. I would have to charge at least $60-70.00 considering the time making the kit as well as sourcing the parts, and even then, it might not be worth it to me. Anyhow, here's the pics:

soulrider4ever

Very interesting

snowboardgeek1

Thanks. I ordered 2 air horns. I might use the extra air horn and attach it to the bottom of the intake box. I'd have to cut out the bottom, attach the air horn with screws/nuts and bolts, or plastic weld. Then attach the 4" PVC pipe. This will make it a true 4" cold air extension. Not sure if it'd help with performance much but its definitely worth looking at.

J.Berta

Did something similar to my eg w/ itr swap. But i used a intake tube from the throttle body to the eg airbox. Used 2 universal mass airflow adapting plates(mounted under the airbox) where one side could seal to the airbox using a rubber gasket, to the other side connecting to a 90 degree elbow of a intake tube, then to a velocity stack. It does really well. I dyno'd 190whp/135 torque like this w/ a stock internals jdm itr.

Madspeed

I did basically the same thing as this, just used the stock tubes from the box inside the fender of the integra....I have some pics I will dig em up. It worked just as well in the integra. All I needed was the hose coupler and the clamps...a dremel and a little time. It was a less than 10 dollar mod. The rest was already in the car. It helped make for a clean engine bay in the end.










Modified by Madspeed at 12:22 AM 12/8/2007


Modified by Madspeed at 12:22 AM 12/8/2007

snowboardgeek1

Got pics of the bottom of the intake box? I'd like to see how you mounted a pipe to the bottom. Thanks

coolhandluke

iTrader: (2)

Madspeed for the win! Its good to see you posting here regularly again.

snowboardgeek1

Just got the car dyno'd today. Thanks goes out to Chris Whitfield. Awesome tuner. Here's the setup of the car.

Stock 96 ITR motor
-My own DIY ITR CAI intake box, similar to the comptech icebox. I used 4" PVC piping to simulate a mugen cold air intake box. As I will explain later, the results was very very very interesting
-Buddy Club Spec II exhaust, runs performed with and without the silencer
-Omni 2.5" JDM straight pipe
-DC 4-1 ITR header w/ 2.5" collector
-STOCK CAM GEARS

The first run was used with the phearable basemap. The whp reading from using that basemap was 142whp :thumb down: :thumb down: The basemap was VERY RICH. Wasted my money on that damn basemap.

Chris worked his magic for about ten minutes, then did another run with his settings. The results yielded an increase of 20whp. He kept fine tuning it and the best result after 5 more runs was 164whp. A/F ratios were spot on. This run was done with the buddy club Spec II exhaust with the silencer ON.

When I told Chris to take out the silencer, he had no idea that I had a buddy club Spec II exhaust. He said for the next run I should see a pretty big increase in whp with the silencer off. Well, he was right. With the silencer off, the best run was 184whp!!!!! That's a gain of 20 whp, just by taking the damn silencer off. CRAZY!!!!!

The final run, which I don't have a graph of (I'll have to get it from Chris), was done with the buddy club silencer off in addition to putting on the ebay CAI I bought a few weeks ago. The results were eye opening. The best run with the ebay CAI yielded 172 whp. My own DIY ITR air intake box with the 4" cold air extension, gains approx. 12 whp over the ebay CAI. The ebay CAI was made for an EG, and the piping size is 2.5". I'm not sure how my intake box would do vs. an AEM hybrid CAI, but I'd predict the results would either be very close to each other, OR my intake box mod would yield better results. My intake box vs. an AEM hybrid intake, which would you choose? You can buy a stock ITR intake box and arm from any number of places for $50 bucks. My mods will cost an extra $30 bucks tops. Give yourself an hour or two to do the mod and for a total of approx. $80.00, you can have an intake that'll outperform any ebay cold air intake and probably the expensive AEM CAI's.

Anyhow, here's a dyno graph of all the runs except the final run with the ebay CAI. Also here's a few links to videos I took of 3 dyno runs. 2 of the videos I did some introductory commentary.


And here's the plot of the runs and some photos I took.

realis9

Could a 4" dryer hose be used to replace the pvc pipe and get the same performance?

snowboardgeek1

No idea

jomama

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i'm sure it'd work. you'd just have to make sure nothing punctures the dryer hose when you install and run it.

coolhandluke

iTrader: (2)

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I'm sure it will work, but I wouldn't do it. The original poster was cheap and creative, if you follow his steps you don't have to be. No offense but that idea sounds just like trouble.

Ferio3399

Apparently one can't put pix in other people's thread!!


Modified by Ferio3399 at 9:55 AM 1/29/2008

c0l7hy

cool

snowboardgeek1

WTF are you talking about? What point are you trying to make? Been there done that? Who gives a sh*t? This mod has been done in the past. I even state where I got the idea from idiot. Damn, read first before posting. A*shole.

And you're trying to compare your B20VTEC vs. my Type R? Huh?

KOALA YUMMIES

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by snowboardgeek1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WTF are you talking about? What point are you trying to make? Been there done that? Who gives a sh*t? This mod has been done in the past. I even state where I got the idea from idiot. Damn, read first before posting. A*shole.

And you're trying to compare your B20VTEC vs. my Type R? Huh?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Uhh, chill? This thread should have been posted in the Hybrid forum anyways. None of this is new to begin with.

snowboardgeek1

If its in the wrong forum, I can accept that.

As for the mod being done in the past, as I said before, I know that. It have never been dyno proven, to my knowledge.

KOALA YUMMIES

Yeah its still good info, just no need to get all wound up at that d00d who posted more pics.

snowboardgeek1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KOALA YUMMIES &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah its still good info, just no need to get all wound up at that d00d who posted more pics. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I just don't see what his point is...just to hate because he did the mod in the past? Whatever. I'm not wound up at all.

But to compare his B20VTEC to a Type R motor...sure it may be faster, but who cares? My point was to post up dyno proven numbers of a modified ITR intake box vs an Ebay CAI.

RagingAngel

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by snowboardgeek1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WTF are you talking about? What point are you trying to make? Been there done that? Who gives a sh*t? This mod has been done in the past. I even state where I got the idea from idiot. Damn, read first before posting. A*shole.

And you're trying to compare your B20VTEC vs. my Type R? Huh?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No ****...the fact that Ferio3399 came in here and just basically told him:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ferio3399 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Man...did you ever search for it?

My car is...been there, done that!! Almost 2 Years already..Not only JDM ITR 98 Spec in an Genuine JDM RHD EG9 Shell but everything else as well, check the thread in my sig. But I'm going to post a few pix for you anyway. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Sure it's good to have some pride and want to share that with the rest of the community.... but snowboardgeek1 was good enough to share his experience and some solid data.

So shut up Ferio3399... because all you have are pretty pictures.

snowboardgeek1

lol thanks. He's basically saying, look my car is better and faster than yours! Whatever...gotta love the HT haters.

Thanks for the backup Angel. Don't know if you're a mod for this forum, but if so, you can move this thread to the hybrids if you'd like.

RagingAngel

no supermoderator powers here I am afraid....

but anyhow, I think it's still a good post because it's R related in the sense you are using R parts (captain obvious!!) but for those who are looking at a budget and effective intake, you've just given us a viable alternative to the popular Comptech, AEM, Mugen, BPi offerings.

snowboardgeek1

That was my full intention. To let folks know you don't need to spend a ton of money to get an intake that'll perform great yet still look stock. I'm even surprised it worked that well. Chris Whitfield couldn't believe it too.

Ferio3399

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by snowboardgeek1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know its not a type r but I do have the heart of a type r in my EG. Just curious if anyone else has done this mod and what your thoughts are on it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Can anyone be so kind to translate the question; "Just curious if anyone else has done this mod?"

And apparently if anyone has and put pictures of what they have done in this thread, you're automatically an a@@hole who tried to rub it in and brag!!

I rest my case...
Sebastian Stark


Modified by Ferio3399 at 10:01 AM 1/29/2008

snowboardgeek1

?????

Whatever.

1. Don't talk to me like I'm you're b*tch. I'll put you back in place son.

2. I'm done arguing with you. Loser.

Mods, please lock this thread.