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h23vtecpowered · 11-11-2007, 05:52 PM

i talked with blake briefly about it but i wanted to get some opinions. i have a darton wet sleeved block and some gold series mahle pistons. i was wondering if you could run these pistons. i can find any other ones that i can afford new or used. they are 11.5 .20 over. if anyone has a set laying around let me know. any ideas on if it will work???

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98vtec · 11-11-2007, 05:55 PM

i cant figure out any reason why they wouldnt work besides for some reason the skirt material not working correctly with the iron sleeves.

h23vtecpowered · 11-11-2007, 05:56 PM

im going to try and call them tomorrow. called twice last wk and couldnt get through

98vtec · 11-11-2007, 06:02 PM

they DO make a piston thats made for iron cylinder walls

http://www.importperformancepa....html

notice it specifically says for sleeved engines only

h23vtecpowered · 11-11-2007, 06:07 PM

i know this. i dont have 500.00 laying around either plus another 300.00 to get tuned. i already have them so if i can use them i want to use them

98vtec · 11-11-2007, 06:10 PM

you cant sell them and buy new pistons?

h23vtecpowered · 11-11-2007, 08:18 PM

chances of me getting what i paid is slim so id like to use them if i can but if not thats what i will have to end up doing.

h23vtecpowered · 11-11-2007, 10:06 PM

up

Rosko · 11-12-2007, 12:51 AM

They should work fine in a sleeved block. The material they make the gold series pistons out of just expands slower then a normal forged piston, allowing it to work with the FRM.

I'd still run it by Mahle and find out what piston to wall clearance should be used though.

Golden Eagle · 11-12-2007, 10:03 AM

i have already called Mahle for a customer and they do not sagest using them in a sleeved block. there made for the stock h22 sleeve and will not work well with a sleeved block

98vtec · 11-12-2007, 10:35 AM

faq'd

mgags7 · 11-12-2007, 10:37 AM

Now that is a Moderator ladies and gents

:hats off:

h23vtecpowered · 11-12-2007, 11:39 AM

lol yea i just got off the phone with them too...they said they would recommend it. they said if i could find some rings to fit then i would be okay but im not going to go through all that. so shit now i have to find some new pistons. anyone have some new or used ones sitting around

98vtec · 11-12-2007, 11:40 AM

just be sure to recheck piston to wall and ring gap once you get another set of pistons.

h23vtecpowered · 11-12-2007, 11:42 AM

blake you dont have any pistons laying around or know someone with a set.

H-EK22 · 12-22-2007, 05:52 PM

I just bought some JE standard size 87mm pistons 11:5:1, does this mean i have to sleeve the block

DfwBB6 · 12-22-2007, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H-EK22

I just bought some JE standard size 87mm pistons 11:5:1, does this mean i have to sleeve the block

H-EK22 · 12-22-2007, 07:38 PM

Was that a yes or a no?????

98vtec · 12-22-2007, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H-EK22

Was that a yes or a no?????

yes, you have to sleeve the block.

H-EK22 · 12-22-2007, 07:56 PM

can you please exlain why....sorry just curious.... i didnt think i had te spend more money after i bought the pistons

98vtec · 12-22-2007, 08:02 PM

should have done your research before hand....

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=416069

H-EK22 · 12-22-2007, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98vtec

should have done your research before hand....

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=416069

Does the jdm h22 use the stock frm sleeves than the usdm h22a1-h22a4...anyone???? cus thats what i got, sorry kinda of a noob

98vtec · 12-22-2007, 08:12 PM

all h series motors have FRM material.

H-EK22 · 12-22-2007, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98vtec

all h series motors have FRM material.

Thanks man...... I guess imma have to wait an get the money for the sleeves or just sell the pistons...... you recommend any bang for the buck sleeves???

98vtec · 12-22-2007, 08:22 PM

darton makes a replacement iron liner. thats what im running in my h23vtec.

cheaper and machine shops dont charge much to install. Just be sure to send the pistons with the block so they can meet a specified piston to wall clearance.

you may have to sell those pistons anyway. If they arent oversided 87mm pistons (87.25mm) then you may be out of luck.

11-11-2007, 05:55 PM	#2
98vtec Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: RealHomeMadeTurbo Posts: 14,228	Re: will the mahle gold series be ok in a sleeved block (h23vtecpowered) i cant figure out any reason why they wouldnt work besides for some reason the skirt material not working correctly with the iron sleeves.

11-11-2007, 05:56 PM	#3
h23vtecpowered Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Greensboro/Raleigh, NC, USA Posts: 862	Re: will the mahle gold series be ok in a sleeved block (98vtec) im going to try and call them tomorrow. called twice last wk and couldnt get through __________________ FS H22/H23 Weisco pistons 11.5:1 350.00 firm FS H22 AEM CAM GEARS ADJUSTABLE 75.00 firm DONT SELL/BUY FROM themuffinman. CRY BABY vouches sold to .BigSexy, boostedgsteg, skunked, vietdragontekx, deucedeuceEK, C_Rock77, Aaron.Hillman, Honda_Fanatic, snzh22, HondaLude93, sh-izzle, bjones

11-11-2007, 06:02 PM	#4
98vtec Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: RealHomeMadeTurbo Posts: 14,228	Re: will the mahle gold series be ok in a sleeved block (h23vtecpowered) they DO make a piston thats made for iron cylinder walls http://www.importperformancepa....html notice it specifically says for sleeved engines only

11-11-2007, 06:07 PM	#5
h23vtecpowered Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Greensboro/Raleigh, NC, USA Posts: 862	Re: will the mahle gold series be ok in a sleeved block (98vtec) i know this. i dont have 500.00 laying around either plus another 300.00 to get tuned. i already have them so if i can use them i want to use them __________________ FS H22/H23 Weisco pistons 11.5:1 350.00 firm FS H22 AEM CAM GEARS ADJUSTABLE 75.00 firm DONT SELL/BUY FROM themuffinman. CRY BABY vouches sold to .BigSexy, boostedgsteg, skunked, vietdragontekx, deucedeuceEK, C_Rock77, Aaron.Hillman, Honda_Fanatic, snzh22, HondaLude93, sh-izzle, bjones

11-11-2007, 06:10 PM	#6
98vtec Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: RealHomeMadeTurbo Posts: 14,228	Re: will the mahle gold series be ok in a sleeved block (h23vtecpowered) you cant sell them and buy new pistons?

11-11-2007, 08:18 PM	#7
h23vtecpowered Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Greensboro/Raleigh, NC, USA Posts: 862	Re: will the mahle gold series be ok in a sleeved block (98vtec) chances of me getting what i paid is slim so id like to use them if i can but if not thats what i will have to end up doing. __________________ FS H22/H23 Weisco pistons 11.5:1 350.00 firm FS H22 AEM CAM GEARS ADJUSTABLE 75.00 firm DONT SELL/BUY FROM themuffinman. CRY BABY vouches sold to .BigSexy, boostedgsteg, skunked, vietdragontekx, deucedeuceEK, C_Rock77, Aaron.Hillman, Honda_Fanatic, snzh22, HondaLude93, sh-izzle, bjones

11-11-2007, 10:06 PM	#8
h23vtecpowered Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Greensboro/Raleigh, NC, USA Posts: 862	Re: will the mahle gold series be ok in a sleeved block (h23vtecpowered) up __________________ FS H22/H23 Weisco pistons 11.5:1 350.00 firm FS H22 AEM CAM GEARS ADJUSTABLE 75.00 firm DONT SELL/BUY FROM themuffinman. CRY BABY vouches sold to .BigSexy, boostedgsteg, skunked, vietdragontekx, deucedeuceEK, C_Rock77, Aaron.Hillman, Honda_Fanatic, snzh22, HondaLude93, sh-izzle, bjones

11-12-2007, 12:51 AM	#9
Rosko Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Burnout Box, IA, U.S.A. Posts: 2,570	Re: will the mahle gold series be ok in a sleeved block (h23vtecpowered) They should work fine in a sleeved block. The material they make the gold series pistons out of just expands slower then a normal forged piston, allowing it to work with the FRM. I'd still run it by Mahle and find out what piston to wall clearance should be used though. __________________ -Shawn 12.74@111 All Motor 92 Honda Prelude http://www.roskoracing.com // rosko@roskoracing.com Authorized Skunk2 dealer

11-12-2007, 10:03 AM	#10
Golden Eagle H-T Basic Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Dimas, CA, USA Posts: 3,592	Re: will the mahle gold series be ok in a sleeved block (Rosko) i have already called Mahle for a customer and they do not sagest using them in a sleeved block. there made for the stock h22 sleeve and will not work well with a sleeved block __________________ Robert (909) 592 - 4311 ext.102 Robert@goldeneaglemfg.com www.goldeneaglemfg.com XBL/mastermind1ra

11-12-2007, 10:35 AM	#11
98vtec Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: RealHomeMadeTurbo Posts: 14,228	Re: will the mahle gold series be ok in a sleeved block (Golden Eagle) faq'd

11-12-2007, 10:37 AM	#12
mgags7 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Between headphones, NC Posts: 14,523	Now that is a Moderator ladies and gents :hats off: __________________ Matt ███

11-12-2007, 11:39 AM	#13
h23vtecpowered Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Greensboro/Raleigh, NC, USA Posts: 862	Re: (mgags7) lol yea i just got off the phone with them too...they said they would recommend it. they said if i could find some rings to fit then i would be okay but im not going to go through all that. so shit now i have to find some new pistons. anyone have some new or used ones sitting around __________________ FS H22/H23 Weisco pistons 11.5:1 350.00 firm FS H22 AEM CAM GEARS ADJUSTABLE 75.00 firm DONT SELL/BUY FROM themuffinman. CRY BABY vouches sold to .BigSexy, boostedgsteg, skunked, vietdragontekx, deucedeuceEK, C_Rock77, Aaron.Hillman, Honda_Fanatic, snzh22, HondaLude93, sh-izzle, bjones

11-12-2007, 11:40 AM	#14
98vtec Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: RealHomeMadeTurbo Posts: 14,228	Re: (h23vtecpowered) just be sure to recheck piston to wall and ring gap once you get another set of pistons.

11-12-2007, 11:42 AM	#15
h23vtecpowered Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Greensboro/Raleigh, NC, USA Posts: 862	Re: (98vtec) blake you dont have any pistons laying around or know someone with a set. __________________ FS H22/H23 Weisco pistons 11.5:1 350.00 firm FS H22 AEM CAM GEARS ADJUSTABLE 75.00 firm DONT SELL/BUY FROM themuffinman. CRY BABY vouches sold to .BigSexy, boostedgsteg, skunked, vietdragontekx, deucedeuceEK, C_Rock77, Aaron.Hillman, Honda_Fanatic, snzh22, HondaLude93, sh-izzle, bjones

12-22-2007, 05:52 PM	#16
H-EK22 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wenatchee, WA, USA Posts: 267	Re: (h23vtecpowered) I just bought some JE standard size 87mm pistons 11:5:1, does this mean i have to sleeve the block __________________ ALL MOTOR N/A..B16 CTR pistons .25 over ITR Cams DC headers Catback on CROME 97 Civic Hatch.....stock jdm h22a swap 92 Civic Hatch.... B18c 13.2sec on street tires

12-22-2007, 07:38 PM	#18
H-EK22 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wenatchee, WA, USA Posts: 267	Re: (DfwBB6) Was that a yes or a no????? __________________ ALL MOTOR N/A..B16 CTR pistons .25 over ITR Cams DC headers Catback on CROME 97 Civic Hatch.....stock jdm h22a swap 92 Civic Hatch.... B18c 13.2sec on street tires

12-22-2007, 07:56 PM	#20
H-EK22 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wenatchee, WA, USA Posts: 267	Re: (98vtec) can you please exlain why....sorry just curious.... i didnt think i had te spend more money after i bought the pistons __________________ ALL MOTOR N/A..B16 CTR pistons .25 over ITR Cams DC headers Catback on CROME 97 Civic Hatch.....stock jdm h22a swap 92 Civic Hatch.... B18c 13.2sec on street tires

12-22-2007, 08:02 PM	#21
98vtec Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: RealHomeMadeTurbo Posts: 14,228	Re: (H-EK22) should have done your research before hand.... http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=416069

12-22-2007, 08:12 PM	#23
98vtec Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: RealHomeMadeTurbo Posts: 14,228	Re: (H-EK22) all h series motors have FRM material.

12-22-2007, 08:22 PM	#25
98vtec Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: RealHomeMadeTurbo Posts: 14,228	Re: (H-EK22) darton makes a replacement iron liner. thats what im running in my h23vtec. cheaper and machine shops dont charge much to install. Just be sure to send the pistons with the block so they can meet a specified piston to wall clearance. you may have to sell those pistons anyway. If they arent oversided 87mm pistons (87.25mm) then you may be out of luck.

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